The Ashes 25/26

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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Jan 07, 2026 1:31 pm

dedja wrote:
whufc wrote:I know all the jokes of a bloke who hasn't made a first-class century batting at 3 at test level but i like alot about Bethell.

At 23 seems to have a good temperament, plays on the edge of aggressive without being stupid, nice well rounded technique front foot and back foot and has that bit of swagger confidence most super elite sportsmen seem to have.

Has an ODI 100 which suggests the step up in quality bowling is completely above his level, there is some hope there.

Definitely one to watch in the future but will take into account we have no Cummins, Hazelwood or spinner.

I agree, just very unusual to be selected without a FC ton.

I’m sure TDK can find some stats on how often this has happened at Test level.

It hasn't happened very often off the top of my head, I remember there was alot made of it by the media when Bethell debuted (especially by Wisden), I'll have to have a look.

Edit- the last specialist batsman to do it was Mike Gatting in 1978
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jaco ... nd-1461768
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby am Bays » Wed Jan 07, 2026 1:44 pm

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wenchbarwer wrote:Cam Green would normally catch those with his eyes closed. He needs a bit of a spell, make runs and take wickets in the Sheffield Shield and enjoy the game.


And earn his spot back

Webster has to stay before Green


I think they like Greens bowling more for balance.


Where Green lands for his next match could depend on Trump....
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby whufc » Wed Jan 07, 2026 1:52 pm

The Dark Knight wrote:
dedja wrote:
whufc wrote:I know all the jokes of a bloke who hasn't made a first-class century batting at 3 at test level but i like alot about Bethell.

At 23 seems to have a good temperament, plays on the edge of aggressive without being stupid, nice well rounded technique front foot and back foot and has that bit of swagger confidence most super elite sportsmen seem to have.

Has an ODI 100 which suggests the step up in quality bowling is completely above his level, there is some hope there.

Definitely one to watch in the future but will take into account we have no Cummins, Hazelwood or spinner.

I agree, just very unusual to be selected without a FC ton.

I’m sure TDK can find some stats on how often this has happened at Test level.

It hasn't happened very often off the top of my head, I remember there was alot made of it by the media when Bethell debuted (especially by Wisden), I'll have to have a look.

Edit- the last player to do it was Mike Gatting in 1978
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jaco ... nd-1461768


Warner the obvious one hey??!! Iirc
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby locky801 » Wed Jan 07, 2026 1:58 pm

Wicket still not doing much

Bethell and Joe look set.

reckon the aussies will be chasing around 250 plus sometime tomorrow, could make for an exciting last day of the series
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:00 pm

Webster might get a go with some off spinners.
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby dedja » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:01 pm

Keep walking Joe …
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby Jim05 » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:04 pm

DRS is cooked
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:06 pm

Booney wrote:
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wenchbarwer wrote:Cam Green would normally catch those with his eyes closed. He needs a bit of a spell, make runs and take wickets in the Sheffield Shield and enjoy the game.


And earn his spot back

Webster has to stay before Green


I think they like Greens bowling more for balance.


Just doesn’t trouble the batsmen enough
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby Booney » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:22 pm

32 with the bat and 36 with the ball.

If he swaps them around he's got better numbers than Shane Watson who was questioned many times when he was 26 years old.

Green has a bright future, he's just out of form.
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby RB » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:45 pm

whufc wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
dedja wrote:
whufc wrote:I know all the jokes of a bloke who hasn't made a first-class century batting at 3 at test level but i like alot about Bethell.

At 23 seems to have a good temperament, plays on the edge of aggressive without being stupid, nice well rounded technique front foot and back foot and has that bit of swagger confidence most super elite sportsmen seem to have.

Has an ODI 100 which suggests the step up in quality bowling is completely above his level, there is some hope there.

Definitely one to watch in the future but will take into account we have no Cummins, Hazelwood or spinner.

I agree, just very unusual to be selected without a FC ton.

I’m sure TDK can find some stats on how often this has happened at Test level.

It hasn't happened very often off the top of my head, I remember there was alot made of it by the media when Bethell debuted (especially by Wisden), I'll have to have a look.

Edit- the last player to do it was Mike Gatting in 1978
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jaco ... nd-1461768


Warner the obvious one hey??!! Iirc


Warner had 3 before test debut, 2 in the Shield (plus a 99) as well as a double ton for Australia A against a Zimbabwe side.
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby whufc » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:48 pm

Yep sorry it was t20 and Odis in which he debuted before playing first class cricket.
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby Armchair expert » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:51 pm

Wouldn't happen often as a pure batter

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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby locky801 » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:57 pm

England trail by 9 at tea time

45 minimum overs scheduled to be bowled not that they will get that many in

England should have a lead around 120- 150 by stumps particularly if Brook remains at the crease
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:59 pm

Booney wrote:32 with the bat and 36 with the ball.

If he swaps them around he's got better numbers than Shane Watson who was questioned many times when he was 26 years old.

Green has a bright future, he's just out of form.

It's not easy being Green.
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Jan 07, 2026 3:03 pm

RB wrote:
whufc wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
dedja wrote:[quote="whufc"]I know all the jokes of a bloke who hasn't made a first-class century batting at 3 at test level but i like alot about Bethell.

At 23 seems to have a good temperament, plays on the edge of aggressive without being stupid, nice well rounded technique front foot and back foot and has that bit of swagger confidence most super elite sportsmen seem to have.

Has an ODI 100 which suggests the step up in quality bowling is completely above his level, there is some hope there.

Definitely one to watch in the future but will take into account we have no Cummins, Hazelwood or spinner.

I agree, just very unusual to be selected without a FC ton.

I’m sure TDK can find some stats on how often this has happened at Test level.

It hasn't happened very often off the top of my head, I remember there was alot made of it by the media when Bethell debuted (especially by Wisden), I'll have to have a look.

Edit- the last player to do it was Mike Gatting in 1978
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jaco ... nd-1461768


Warner the obvious one hey??!! Iirc


Warner had 3 before test debut, 2 in the Shield (plus a 99) as well as a double ton for Australia A against a Zimbabwe side.[/quote]
Yeah I was just going to write he made 148 opening for NSW v SA on November 6th 2011 and made his test debut on December 1st.
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby locky801 » Wed Jan 07, 2026 3:12 pm

13 to go for Bethell, deserves a ton here
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby Booney » Wed Jan 07, 2026 3:33 pm

He's going to choke on 99
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby Armchair expert » Wed Jan 07, 2026 3:41 pm

choked it over the rope for six
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Jan 07, 2026 3:53 pm

Yes Slug! Good review, Brook out helps.
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Re: The Ashes 25/26

Postby RB » Wed Jan 07, 2026 3:57 pm

Today Beau Sobers has got his batting average over 40 and his bowling average under 25.
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