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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby get a grip » Thu May 18, 2017 2:23 pm

am Bays wrote:
Grenville wrote:
Booney wrote:
Zartan wrote:Cricket going from FTA broadcasting to exclusively Fox (or similar) would be to the detriment of the sport in this country.


Absolutely.


Couldn't agree more, how could anyone think that taking cricket from free to air tv and having it only on pay tv could be beneficial to the game (and I have Foxtel).


As someone with Foxtel, I agree with all of you.
Cricket has to stay on FTA



You can't watch cricket on FTA in England so I wouldn't be too suprised to see that happen here one day.
The coverage on sky sports is considerably better than what we put up with here also, imo
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby The Bedge » Thu May 18, 2017 2:50 pm

get a grip wrote:You can't watch cricket on FTA in England so I wouldn't be too suprised to see that happen here one day.
The coverage on sky sports is considerably better than what we put up with here also, imo

What percentage of Australians would have pay TV and of that percentage, how many would have sports channels?

Lower socio-economic classes would be deprived of cricket, the average person probably would be less inclined to tune in as well - it would just be the genuine cricket buffs who'd watch.

Attendance and participation levels begin to drop, standard of players drops.. cricket becomes inconsequential in this country.. prob replaced instead by endless T20 hit and giggle lightning carnivals.

I'm probably just being a little extreme now :lol:
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby get a grip » Thu May 18, 2017 3:25 pm

Zartan wrote:
get a grip wrote:You can't watch cricket on FTA in England so I wouldn't be too suprised to see that happen here one day.
The coverage on sky sports is considerably better than what we put up with here also, imo

What percentage of Australians would have pay TV and of that percentage, how many would have sports channels?

Lower socio-economic classes would be deprived of cricket, the average person probably would be less inclined to tune in as well - it would just be the genuine cricket buffs who'd watch.

Attendance and participation levels begin to drop, standard of players drops.. cricket becomes inconsequential in this country.. prob replaced instead by endless T20 hit and giggle lightning carnivals.

I'm probably just being a little extreme now :lol:


I never said it was right to do so I just said I wouldn't be suprised if they did.
TV is a lot different in the UK, all major sports are on Sky and a much higher % of the population would have it as pay TV isn't as expensive as it is here.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby The Dark Knight » Fri May 26, 2017 7:07 am

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/icc-drs- ... 2017-05-25

Influential Cricket Committee recommends a host of changes to the game concerning the DRS, concussion subs, bat sizes and run outs.

The Decision Review System could be introduced for all Twenty20 internationals, while teams will not lose a review when an LBW referral comes back as ‘umpire’s call’ under a host of changes recommended by the International Cricket Council’s Cricket Committee.

The influential 15-member committee, which is chaired by India coach Anil Kumble and includes Australia coach Darren Lehmann as well as legends like Mahela Jaywardene, Rahul Dravid and Andrew Strauss, met in London this week to examine and consider a number of issues and also endorse a list of changes made by the Marylebone Cricket Club to the Code of Laws earlier this year.

Under the proposed changes, teams would no longer lose a review for an ‘umpire’s call’ LBW review, but the current 80-over top up of reviews in Test cricket would be scrapped. It would leave teams with just two reviews for the entire innings, while teams would continue to have one review per limited-overs innings.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby Trader » Fri May 26, 2017 3:02 pm

DRS is meant to overturn a howler. Challenging an "umpires call" is not a howler so I didn't mind teams losing a challenge for that.
By allowing them to retain that challenge, teams are going to be encouraged to challenge more, further slowing the game.

If the above comes in, I'm glad they will remove the reset after 80 overs.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby daysofourlives » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:24 am

Does anybody actually care about the pay dispute?
I dont think the players are winning the battle to sway the opinion of the paying public.
I would love CA to release what the players have been offered and rejected
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:48 pm

daysofourlives wrote:Does anybody actually care about the pay dispute?
I dont think the players are winning the battle to sway the opinion of the paying public.
I would love CA to release what the players have been offered and rejected

It's not the topline players that are getting ripped off.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby heater31 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:29 pm

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daysofourlives wrote:Does anybody actually care about the pay dispute?
I dont think the players are winning the battle to sway the opinion of the paying public.
I would love CA to release what the players have been offered and rejected

It's not the topline players that are getting ripped off.

Which what I'm so annoyed about you have state players on less than $100 k per year being held to ransom because the million dollar men aren't going to see massive pay increases each year when revenue goes up.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:36 pm

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Lightning McQueen wrote:It's not the topline players that are getting ripped off.

Which what I'm so annoyed about you have state players on less than $100 k per year being held to ransom because the million dollar men aren't going to see massive pay increases each year when revenue goes up.

I read it the other way around, the million dollar men were trying to get the lower echelon players a more sustainable wage.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:38 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:I read it the other way around, the million dollar men were trying to get the lower echelon players a more sustainable wage.

I thought CA's proposal was for more funds to be funneled towards grass roots and lower tier comps including Women's comp, where as the players wanted wages based on profits generated?
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:43 pm

Zartan wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:I read it the other way around, the million dollar men were trying to get the lower echelon players a more sustainable wage.

I thought CA's proposal was for more funds to be funneled towards grass roots and lower tier comps including Women's comp, where as the players wanted wages based on profits generated?


Players want to keep the 27% share of total revenue that they currently have (or whatever the number is, its in the 20s i think)

CA want to remove it
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby Booney » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:56 pm

bennymacca wrote:
Zartan wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:I read it the other way around, the million dollar men were trying to get the lower echelon players a more sustainable wage.

I thought CA's proposal was for more funds to be funneled towards grass roots and lower tier comps including Women's comp, where as the players wanted wages based on profits generated?


Players want to keep the 27% share of total revenue that they currently have (or whatever the number is, its in the 20s i think)

CA want to remove it


I think all above are right. The players want the fixed % or revenue with more monies sent to the domestic and grassroots competitions.

Their pay rise is based on total revenue having gone up. More for them, more for everyone else.

Problem is CA are saying revenue has gone down. Saying.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby heater31 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:00 pm

Booney wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
Zartan wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:I read it the other way around, the million dollar men were trying to get the lower echelon players a more sustainable wage.

I thought CA's proposal was for more funds to be funneled towards grass roots and lower tier comps including Women's comp, where as the players wanted wages based on profits generated?


Players want to keep the 27% share of total revenue that they currently have (or whatever the number is, its in the 20s i think)

CA want to remove it


I think all above are right. The players want the fixed % or revenue with more monies sent to the domestic and grassroots competitions.

Their pay rise is based on total revenue having gone up. More for them, more for everyone else.

Problem is CA are saying revenue has gone down. Saying.

Well the BBL hasn't turned a profit yet....
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:54 pm

heater31 wrote:Well the BBL hasn't turned a profit yet....

The initial couple of years cost a fair bit but they are clawing back now aren't they?
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:29 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
heater31 wrote:Well the BBL hasn't turned a profit yet....

The initial couple of years cost a fair bit but they are clawing back now aren't they?


how the hell isnt it making a profit?

besides marketing costs and extra player payments, what sort of outlay was there to get it up and running?
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby heater31 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:08 pm

bennymacca wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
heater31 wrote:Well the BBL hasn't turned a profit yet....

The initial couple of years cost a fair bit but they are clawing back now aren't they?


how the hell isnt it making a profit?

besides marketing costs and extra player payments, what sort of outlay was there to get it up and running?

General Manager of each franchise, different coaching staff for each, they reduced the size of state squads to cut costs and redirect those savings to the BBL...
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby Spargo » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:59 pm

Don't forget Channel 10 got the rights for what has turned out to be a steal.
The next tv deal will fetch a lot more money.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby am Bays » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:27 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:It's not the topline players that are getting ripped off.

Which what I'm so annoyed about you have state players on less than $100 k per year being held to ransom because the million dollar men aren't going to see massive pay increases each year when revenue goes up.

I read it the other way around, the million dollar men were trying to get the lower echelon players a more sustainable wage.

Yep me too.

Unless you're a cricketing progeny you aren't going to make good coin until you are 25 (playing international cricket)

Reality it's not until you are about 20 that you start playing state cricket and then it takes 2-3 years to start playing it consistently to start earning good dollars 100-200K (rookie contracts are still `$50K IIRC) I haven't factored in the BBL money here which not all State/TInternational players play.

The problem cricket has is the players they are fighting other sports for (particularly in the Southern states can earn $100 -200 K as an 18-19 year old on an AFL list)

Cricket needs to be seen as attractive to those players so some not all, hence why domestic cricket (whilst not viable on a profit:loss balance sheet) realistically is the R&D of cricket Australia. If it isn't funded properly the talent will not be there at 25 when we are wanting the next lot of players coming through to win teh ASHES, Border Gavasker Trophy's World Cups.

I remember talking to Matthew Elliot when he was doing a guest spot at the NT Institute of Sport Cricket program in 2003 (before he buggered off halfway through because Glamorgan offered him a spot with better coin - yes money is a driver for them). He said one of their motivations for a better pay deal in 1997-98 when the revenue sharing deal was first struck was to get a better deal for the State players so it is more attractive to athletes who need to make a choice. Cricket Victoria missed out on Delidio and Hodge because footy offered more money immediately than what cricket could even though they were both earmarked as FTP (future test players).

IIRC S Waugh in his biography even stated in there first year of the 1997-98 deal the international players wages went down as the money was shared at lower levels before it picked up as the money rolled in.

if we want Australian cricket to be strong and successful the revenue sharing deal needs to be kept and the 2nd XI and 1st XI state players need to be rewarded to keep them in the game. Some players will get over paid for their talents (the ones in the cross hairs of the been counters at CA) which in turn will be paid off by those who go through and dominate international cricket between the ages of 25-35 will earn for CA through TV revenue, sponsorship and ticket sales as they hopefully dominate World cricket.

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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby am Bays » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:14 am

Will Sutherland chooses cricket

Wonder if that will influence negotiations, given he is the the type of cricketer (young developing potential future international who isn't ready for 1st class cricket yet) the ACA is trying to make sure maintain their current entitlements.
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Re: Australian International Summer

Postby Booney » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:16 pm

Where's the pay deal at then?
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