Official 3rd 3 Test - Perth

[rod_rooster]

6 down now.

Lol. More importantly 2 nil up

[Sam_goUUUdogs]

6 down now.

Lol. More importantly 2 nil up

fair call, plenty of time left yet though.

[rod_rooster]

6 down now.

Lol. More importantly 2 nil up

fair call, plenty of time left yet though.

Yep, plenty of time left in the 3rd Test.

England have to prevent Australia winning any of the remaining 3 tests though and have to win at least 2 of them so you could argue time is running out

[Adelaide Hawk]

English selectors would be feeling rather silly right now. They've had a quality spinner in the squad and not playing him, whilst a goose like Giles bowled England to 0-2 in the series. Just goes to show what can happen if you actually try to bowl a team out.

[rod_rooster]

That McGrath decision is an absolute disgrace. Sure Glen may not have gone on to make many but to give a guy out like that is ridiculous. If anyone else made such a bad error in their job as that umpire made (i beleive it was Dar) they would be sacked. It's not like it was a close thing. I'm surprised the Poms even bothered appealing. Not their fault though but man that was bad.

[Thiele]

England 2/37 a wicket to Lee and a wicket to McGrath

[Dutchy]

That McGrath decision is an absolute disgrace. Sure Glen may not have gone on to make many but to give a guy out like that is ridiculous. If anyone else made such a bad error in their job as that umpire made (i beleive it was Dar) they would be sacked. It's not like it was a close thing. I'm surprised the Poms even bothered appealing. Not their fault though but man that was bad.

never made a mistake Rod???

[Squawk]

Giles has had a nightmare today.
Monty got a 5-for and Ponting was out LBW for 2!
Aussies done for 244 and Barmy Harmi got the benefit of the McGrath SBW (Soulder before wicket).

He must be cringing. So must Flintoff who wanted Giles and Anderson retained in the 2nd test.

Pressure mounts on Jones tho in this test - from what I saw of Reid he performed pretty well in the lead up matches England played prior to this test.

Interesting that no night-watchman has been used - Flintoff would be the obvious one but is he 100% fit? He didn't seem to bowl much today and nor did Mahmood.

[SOTTERS]

You have no idea squawk. Jones had a brillant day behind the stumps, kept well to Monty and was rewarded with two catches off his bowling. Read did make a fifty against W.A but have a look at the bowing he was facing, North, Bandy, Voges at the time he batted. Flintoff isnt the obvious choice to be a nightwatchmen as he is a top six batsmen, and his stlye is to aggressive to come in and try and survive the night out. I will think you will find that England tends to use Hoggard in this position as required. Flintoff and Mahmood didnt bowl much today as Australia were bowled out in 71 overs, and it would of been hard to take the ball out of Monty or Harmys hands as they picked up 9 of the 10 wickets from there combined 43 overs.

[am Bays]

Well Sotters, Read came in against the bowler that was too good for Jones.....and survived more than one ball.......So against so i think you can safely say read out batted Jones agaisnt WA, I admit that he got a lot of junk runs after the sting went out of the game but he still did the hard yards early and showed some application which Jones hasn't done this year....

Jones dropped a catch off Symonds that a test 'keeper should take. I would hardly call his day brillant, serviceable but not brillant

Are you suggesting Jones is better than Read or that Jones has done okay today?

To be fair, by all reports from the radio, the catch that Warne missed was by rights a keepers catch as it was to his left.

[SOTTERS]

Yes I belive Jones is a better keeper

[am Bays]

Did you see any of the England Pakistan series this year and the difference in the keeping between tests 3&4 and tests 1&2?

Out of interest, what makes you think Jones is a better 'keeper than Read?

[SOTTERS]

Yeah watched most of the series. At the time Jones was in career best form with the gloves. Lack of runs cost him his spot.

[am Bays]

Yeah watched most of the series. At the time Jones was in career best form with the gloves. Lack of runs cost him his spot.

career best form for him is hardly test standard 'keeping form, I'll repeated my edited question what makes you think Jones is better than read, particularly in technical sense?

[sydney-dog]

Q. What do Jones and Michael Jackson have in common

A. They both wear Gloves for no apparent reason

[SOTTERS]

He,s technically very good. Has good footwork, and is brillant up to the stumps. There is very little difference in the keeping standards at first class level. Jones has been picked becuase he is a strong charactor, and has more natural ability with the bat than Read. Gilchrist wouldnt be in Australias top 3 keepers, but he averages 48 with the bat and thats what selectors are looking for. Dont be surprised if the Jones boy turns it on at the Waca tomorrow with a big score.

[sydney-dog]

Healy on Channel 9 was not a wrap for Jones and went thru the Mechanics of keeping and Jones technique, Healy was very critical of Jone's technique

In regards to Jones batting, well he has showed very little to suggest he is a Gilly

[am Bays]

He,s technically very good. Has good footwork, and is brillant up to the stumps.

Well we are going to have to agree to disagree, IMHO Jones has hard hands (for a top class 'keeper) he comes up to early from his couch, hence his miss-takes in Adelaide on a low slow pitch and his missed catch off Clarke in the 2nd innings at Adelaide. By coming up early his centre of gravity is just that fraction too high hence he is unable to to move quickly to wide edges.

Another little mistake he makes that natural 'keepers don't do and Gilchrist makes this mistake too, is that often when he comes out of the crouch, is that he sometimes takes a little haff step sideways with with both feet , thus his base is support is too broad making it difficult to move sideways with alacrity. This usually happens in association with coming up to early.

Poor 'keepers like him always look good at places like the Gabba and WACA as the natural bounce compensates for their poor technique in rising early plus standing back it gives them that fraction of a sec more time to move and take a ball.

So it's no surprise that he looked okay today, however, keepers like Jones get found out on low slow pitches like Adelaide and on the sub-continent.

So in my opinion Jones footwark can hardly be described as consistantly brillant.

When I first started 'keeping i was told that I won't be judged by how many catches or stumpings I take it will be by the number of chances I miss, the number of byes I let through, and the number of miss-takes. In other words you don't judge a 'keeper by what he does you judge a 'keeper by what he doesn't do, and Jones makes too many mistakes for a test quality 'keeper.

I agree with you he may be picked for his intestinal fortitude but he hardly showed that in the 1st innings at brisbane and in teh Adleaide test where his dismissal after lunch on teh final day was very very soft.

Funnily my opinion is shared by Rod Marsh our 3rd best ever 'keeper (arguably) behind Healy and Tallon.

[Rik E Boy]

Q. What do Jones and Michael Jackson have in common

A. They both wear Gloves for no apparent reason

No prize for second sydney!

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

SYMONDS...Not smart enough to become regularly successful at Test Level

Andrew Symonds is one of the most talented cricketers of his generation. A hard hitting batsman that loves to keep the scoreboard ticking over, a handy bowler who is most versatile..a bit of a Colin Miller in this regard as well as one of the best fieldsmen in the game, if not the best. The Symonds package is an irresitable combination of excitement and skill that the selectors often find hard to ignore and a talent that would be great to harness fully once Warnie and McGrath retire to compile their memoirs.

However, yesterdays showing was typical of the Roy we have seen at test level. After a cautious start, Roy smashed day one sensation Monty Panesar for 17 runs in one over. Suddenly he was in overdrive!! However Flintoff made the courageous decision and left Monty on. Again Roy was trying to swipe at everything that did and did not move (er that is to say spin). The wise man Hussey came down and no doubt said 'settle petal' and advised him to put the brakes on but Roy seemed unable or unwilling to heed the advice of the great man and eventually chased the wide one. Now batting at six in a one dayer and smashing a quick 20 something is great for the career strike rate and can boost the team's run rate..you can go out in the field and save another twenty runs, pick up a wicket and it's a job well done. At test level we require MUCH more from our number six than a 20 someting, a handful of saves and a handful of overs. Symonds is not a green youngster, he is a seasoned cricketer who still doesn't seem to know how to build a test innings. Shane Watson would have been delighted at yesterday's thoughtless and reckless display from Roy.

I've seen this bloke in interviews and while he is a talented cricketer and a likeable bloke, he doesn't appear to have that much upstairs. This could be as costly for Roy as Cosgrove's weight is for that particular player. It would interesting to see if Roy can overcome the mental side of the game but this little black duck is of the opinion that the mental capabilities of Roy fall far short of the skills he has to offer and that he will never become regularly succesful in Test cricket.

regards,

REB