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The Sleeping Giant wrote:

whufc wrote:Only being 30 years my main memories of cricket are from the 90's to current.

What things do you remember developing as the standard in each era

Include any form of the game

For me (I might have some mixed up)

90's
Reverse swing
Going hard early in a one dayer
Variety of slower ball grips

2000's
Agressive batting in test cricket
Need for an all rounder in test cricket
Cut shot over slips being a standard shot
Slog sweep, cow corner slap being accepted test match shot
Keeper batsmen
Bouncing tailenders
Reverse sweep
Sliding, diving etc etc in the field
Doosra

2010's
Not enforcing the follow on
Slower ball bouncers
Ramp shot
2 men out for the hook shot and agressive field setting

Not having a go, but a lot of your examples were done decades before your examples.

Fair enough I have only been watching cricket since the 90's and probably taking it serious since mid nineties.

I would love to hear some of things to come from the Lillee , Thommo, sir viv era

1870s to 1900.
- Sledging
- Walk offs
- Crowd riots
- batsmen who refused to walk
- Dodgy selections (blokes picked for ASHES tours who couldn't keep)
- players refusing to play because mates weren't picked
- pay disputes with administrators
- professional playing troups - fore-runner of WSC

Never a Gentlemans game.

As would Roger Harper compare to modern fieldsmen.

whufc wrote:

The Sleeping Giant wrote:

whufc wrote:Only being 30 years my main memories of cricket are from the 90's to current.

What things do you remember developing as the standard in each era

Include any form of the game

For me (I might have some mixed up)

90's
Reverse swing
Going hard early in a one dayer
Variety of slower ball grips

2000's
Agressive batting in test cricket
Need for an all rounder in test cricket
Cut shot over slips being a standard shot
Slog sweep, cow corner slap being accepted test match shot
Keeper batsmen
Bouncing tailenders
Reverse sweep
Sliding, diving etc etc in the field
Doosra

2010's
Not enforcing the follow on
Slower ball bouncers
Ramp shot
2 men out for the hook shot and agressive field setting

Not having a go, but a lot of your examples were done decades before your examples.

Fair enough I have only been watching cricket since the 90's and probably taking it serious since mid nineties.

I would love to hear some of things to come from the Lillee , Thommo, sir viv era

aluminium bats

Mr Beefy wrote:

bennymacca wrote:at least you tried to start a constructive thread @whufc. seriously what is with people on this site sometimes?

i think the 2000s brought an increase in fielding professionalism in general. almost everyone can field like johnty rhodes nowadays. can remember the west indies and other teams just not caring at all about fielding. India were also particularly bad.

i think the in-out field in test matches is also something that has come in recently, especially a deep point going out early, and as you have mentioned, two back behind square.

Clive Lloyd and Viv Richards would more than hold their own with modern day fielders

We're they very athletic in the field.

Alot of thw footage i see of the old World Series films is big old dinosaurs trying to use there feet on the boundary

I remember Geoffrey Dujon being extremely athletic compared to most as a kid

Mr Beefy wrote: Lloyd and Viv Richards would more than hold their own with modern day fielders

There were definitely still good fielders in every team, but now if you can't field it is not excused anymore.

bennymacca wrote:Gilchrist ruined it for all pure keepers.

And as long as the keeper is at least somewhat competent, a ton at number 7 is going to win you more matches than that gun catch.

Stewart, Dujon and Boucher are another couple of examples.

I was also thinking like goal kicking in Aussie rules, direct hit run outs haven't improved that much over time apart from the few exceptions.

The likes of Roger Harper, Alan Border would still be up there with any of the modern day blokes like Ponting when it comes to hitting the stumps directly

bennymacca wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote: Lloyd and Viv Richards would more than hold their own with modern day fielders

There were definitely still good fielders in every team, but now if you can't field it is not excused anymore.

tell that to the poms

whufc wrote:

The Sleeping Giant wrote:

whufc wrote:Only being 30 years my main memories of cricket are from the 90's to current.

What things do you remember developing as the standard in each era

Include any form of the game

For me (I might have some mixed up)

90's
Reverse swing
Going hard early in a one dayer
Variety of slower ball grips

2000's
Agressive batting in test cricket
Need for an all rounder in test cricket
Cut shot over slips being a standard shot
Slog sweep, cow corner slap being accepted test match shot
Keeper batsmen
Bouncing tailenders
Reverse sweep
Sliding, diving etc etc in the field
Doosra

2010's
Not enforcing the follow on
Slower ball bouncers
Ramp shot
2 men out for the hook shot and agressive field setting

Not having a go, but a lot of your examples were done decades before your examples.

Fair enough I have only been watching cricket since the 90's and probably taking it serious since mid nineties.

I would love to hear some of things to come from the Lillee , Thommo, sir viv era

Trying to kill batsman with the ball. DK and thommo
Trying to kill bowlers with the ball. Viv

whufc wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote:

bennymacca wrote:at least you tried to start a constructive thread @whufc. seriously what is with people on this site sometimes?

i think the 2000s brought an increase in fielding professionalism in general. almost everyone can field like johnty rhodes nowadays. can remember the west indies and other teams just not caring at all about fielding. India were also particularly bad.

i think the in-out field in test matches is also something that has come in recently, especially a deep point going out early, and as you have mentioned, two back behind square.

Clive Lloyd and Viv Richards would more than hold their own with modern day fielders

We're they very athletic in the field.

Alot of thw footage i see of the old World Series films is big old dinosaurs trying to use there feet on the boundary

I remember Geoffrey Dujon being extremely athletic compared to most as a kid

they were but not the big bowlers

Mr Beefy wrote:

bennymacca wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote: Lloyd and Viv Richards would more than hold their own with modern day fielders

There were definitely still good fielders in every team, but now if you can't field it is not excused anymore.

tell that to the poms

Good point.

GWW wrote:As would Roger Harper compare to modern fieldsmen.

Roger Harper lost his way as a fieldsman at the end of his career. He was on par with tuffnel in the end.

1980s
- The Australian Test and ODI sides placed an increased emphasis on fielding prowess, thanks largely to Bob Simpson, who became Australia's coach in 1986.

- Due to the retirements of the Big Three (Lillee, Marsh, Greg Chappell), and later followed by rebel tours in South Africa, Australia had no choice but to blood youngsters who weren't quite ready for Test cricket at that stage, but later became stars. The best examples of this would be Steve Waugh, David Boon, Craig McDermott, Dean Jones and Ian Healy. I put Healy in there, although he debuted a few years later, because Australia really struggled for a long-term wicketkeeper after Marsh's retirement.

- Allan ******* Border. In my opinion, no other man could have won us the Ashes in 1989.

@ Mrbeefy

Yeah I understand that but I guess I'm saying I didn't see to many people in the footage i have seen of blokes throwing their body around. I'm happy to be wrong genuinely asking

My guess would be catching ability would have been just as good if not better then but now there are lot more athletes and this allows more fielding creativity like we see on the boundary these days

carey wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote:

bennymacca wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote: Lloyd and Viv Richards would more than hold their own with modern day fielders

There were definitely still good fielders in every team, but now if you can't field it is not excused anymore.

tell that to the poms

Good point.

Yeah they have been horrible this season in aus. But Monty is probably the only horrible fielder in their team and is ridiculed for it, India and WI of the late eighties and early nineties would have had 5 of them at least per team.

And even the great Aussie fielders of the past in those eras were mostly slippers or in close (ie border at short mid wicket)

Maybe we should say out fielding instead of fielding in general that has improved the most

Would it have been the mid nineties where we started to see tailenders really put a price on their wicket with the likes of Shaun pollock batting at 8.

DK Lillee and Max Walker both made 70's ... in the 70's

whufc wrote:Would it have been the mid nineties where we started to see tailenders really put a price on their wicket with the likes of Shaun pollock batting at 8.

I guess the poms are the exceptions again

Mr Beefy wrote:

whufc wrote:Would it have been the mid nineties where we started to see tailenders really put a price on their wicket with the likes of Shaun pollock batting at 8.

I guess the poms are the exceptions again

Good point hehehe