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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby mal » Wed May 25, 2011 6:25 pm

mal wrote:WEST INDIES BATSMEN


ADAMS
BUTCHER
CHANDERPAUL
FREDERICKS
GAYLE
GOMES
GREENIDGE
HAYNES
KALLICHIRAN
KANHAI
LARA
LLOYD
NURSE
RICHARDS
ROWE
SOBERS
WORRALL

WEST INDIES BOWLERS


BISHOP
BRAVO
CLARKE
CROFT
DANIEL
GARNER
GIBBS
GRIFFITH
HARPER
HALL
HOLDING
JULIAN
MARSHALL
PATTERSON
ROACH
ROBERTS


WEST INDIES KEEPERS

DUJON
MURRAY



Additions to the West Indies squad

RICHARDSON
AMBROSE
WALSH


I will try and average out the starting line ups from everyones selected teams
Will wait for a few more selections form you experts b4 starting this great one off cricket game
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby GWW » Wed May 25, 2011 6:35 pm

Mythical Creature wrote:
Haynes
Grenidge
Lara
Richards
Chanderpaul
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Ambrose
Holding
Garner
12th Worrall


You'd have Chanderpaul in the site before Richardson and Lloyd?
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby mal » Thu May 26, 2011 1:15 am

Some player profiles of players who played a long time ago
None of these guys have made anyones teams as yet
Understandably due to the fact they played cricket in bygone eras

NEIL HARVEY
Some say he is the best left hander ever to play for Australia
Have read that he was for a long time the best batsman since Bradman
6419 RUNS
48.41 AVE
21 TEST TONS
First played for Bradmans Invincibles, considered one of the greatest Test sides ever
Played form 1947-1963
That average is excellent, in an era when Test matches were played on more bowler friendly decks than these days

BOB SIMPSON
Brilliant batsman, mainly as an opener
4869 RUNS
46.81 AVE
10 TONS
First played in 1959, didnt score a ton for about 50 innings
In the 4th test v EG in 1964, after spending some time as a middle order batsman, he opened and made his first ton
311
743 balls
762 minutes
Retired in 1968
When Kerry Packer introduced WSC it shook the foundations of cricket
The cream of AU cricketers took up lucrative monetary offers to play what was called Circus/Pyjama cricket
Simmo came out of retirement to skipper the team for 2 series in 1977/78
He made a startling 539 runs in a series v India, I recall he played the spinners superbly, averaging 53.90 that series
As a measure of optimum courage he decided to lead the team against the might of the WI in the Carib in 1978
The WI started off this series at full strength with the Packer players available, including some of the most terrifying fast bowlers on the planet
In the first game he was out LBW Garner 0 !
Simmo averaged 22.11 for the series, but at the age of 42 years, replication of a call for duty by Colin Cowdrey for EG against Lillie and Thommo a few summers PRIOR


WES HALL
A frightening WI fast bowler mainly in the 1960s with a long scary run up
192 WICKETS
26.38 AVE
Played from 1958/1969
When he and Charlie Griffith opened the bowling it was a ferocious , mean opening pair of very fast bowlers
On the off season he played cricket for QLD in the early 60s
Bowled that famous last over in the Tied Test Match in 1960
his effort was
50
4/140[29.3]
18
5/63[17.7]
and that dropped catch ....


FRANK WORRELL
Cant comment about Frank, but has a very great reputation
3860 RUNS
49.48 AVE
69 WKTS
38.72 AVE
That is one hec of a record for this grand allrounder as he batted , bowled LH spin + LH meduim pace [hmmnn sounds like...]
In the tied test 1960 he did something historians have maybe overlooked
Worrell as a 35 year old made
65[151]
65 [159]
I doubt if any player has made 65 in both innings of a Test Match
Frank died at an early age [42] of Leukaemia
The current day Frank Worrell trophy played between AU/WI is a legacy of perhaps this great mans greatness for the WI
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby Media Park » Thu May 26, 2011 8:54 am

M. Hayden
J. Langer
R. Ponting
I. Chappell (C)
G. Chappell
S. Waugh (VC)
A. Gilchrist (wk)
S. Warne
D. Lillee
T. Alderman
G. McGrath

In this attack, I would have DK Lillee as a CHANGE bowler, which just goes to show the strength of the bowling... Having said that, apart from the four strike bowlers, there is only three part timers available if my dream pairing of Lara and IVA start going nuts.

G. Greenidge
D. Haynes
I. Richards
B. Lara
G. Sobers
F. Worrell
J. Dujon (wk)
M. Marshall
M. Holding
J. Garner
C. Ambrose

Worrell, in addition to being the skipper, and a brilliant batsman, provides the alternative, being a slow bowler, although Garfield is able to do that as well.

I think a more rounded bowling line up, as six front line bowlers plus IVA isn't to be frowned upon...

The opening combos are probably the two most well known duos from 1960 onwards, and it would, IMO, be splitting hairs to find a winner...

IVA, Lara, Sobers and Worrell do shade Ponting, Chappeli, ChappellG, and S Waugh, only just... But the awesome firepower of Gilchrist wins the battle of the keepers, and I think that could be the difference in this dream clash...

But the bowling strength of the Windies proves that they are reliant on pace... Put them on a dry dusty deck, and Warney would run roughshod....

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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby mal » Thu May 26, 2011 12:07 pm

My teams

WEST INDIES

GREENIDGE
HAYNES
RICHARDS
LARA
SOBERS
LLOYD
DUJON
MARSHALL
AMBROSE
GARNER
HALL [almost ROBERTS]

B4 seeing everyones picks I had thought the biggest variable in the WI line ups would be which 4 mean scary fast bowlers to include
MARSHALL/AMBROSE/HOLDING/GARNER are the 4 most voted
Ive excluded Michael whispering death HOLDING , and included Wes all the girls HALLin my line up, a man that mainly carried the WI fast bowling attack for a long time in the 60s
Ive selected him marginally in front of Andy Roberts, who once shook the great Mals hand in a WSC game in Melbourne

AUSTRALIA

LAWRY
SIMPSON[just pipped WATTO]
PONTING
G CHAPPELL
S WAUGH
BORDER
gilCHRIST
DAVIDSON[almost Garth Mckenzie]
WARNE
LILLIE
MCGRATH

Im the only person to have selected Bill the beak LAWRY and Bobby SIMPSON
I saw these guys in the sixties
LAWRY was a dour defensive batsman , and one of AU finest opening batters
Im sure if you asked any old timer, I'm confident that several would have Lawry in this superteam
SIMPSON just got the got the nod over HAYDEN and WATTO
Of the bowlers MCGRATH/LILLIE/WARNE had to be certanties even an eskimo would have picked these 3 champs
The other bowler is divided at this stage
THOMMO/ALDERMAN/DAVIDSON have been mentioned
I went for DAVO, I wanted a bit more batting ability after gilCHRIST, and he was a better batter than ALDERMAN and Thommo


THE LAST SPOT
Ive counted the selections, the only swinging spot left for either team is the AU bowler to support OOHAHH/FOT/WARNNEY
We have all on 2 votes
ALDERMAN
DAVIDSON
THOMSON
Who all coincidently have MALe endings to thier surnames

Im gunna pick DAVO, unless someone/ones names a team with either THOMMO/ALDERMAN in the line ups
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby mal » Thu May 26, 2011 12:21 pm

THE VOTED LINE UPS

1 GREENIDGE
2 HAYNES
3 RICHARDS
4 LARA
5 LLOYD
6 SOBERS
7 DUJON
8 MARSHALL
9 AMBROSE
10 GARNER
11 HOLDING

1 HAYDEN
2 LANGER
3 PONTING
4 G CHAPPELL
5 S WAUGH
6 BORDER
7 GILchrist
8 ?????????????????DAVIDSON/THOMMO/ALDERMAN [the batting order pending]
9 WARNE
10 LILLIE
11 MCGRATH

Will wait for another couple of peoples line ups to determine the AU 4th bowler
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby Aerie » Thu May 26, 2011 4:56 pm

It is a little sad that only Ponting remains as the current player to be included in those line ups. Even sadder for the Windies that Lara is the only player from the last decade or so.

If you look at South Africa and India in particular they'd have a fair few current players in their best 1960+ line up.

The wheel turns. Lets hope we see another "great" turn up for Australia in the next 10-20 years that could lay claim to a spot in that line up. Perhaps he's playing school yard cricket now.
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby Media Park » Thu May 26, 2011 7:59 pm

Aerie wrote:It is a little sad that only Ponting remains as the current player to be included in those line ups. Even sadder for the Windies that Lara is the only player from the last decade or so.

If you look at South Africa and India in particular they'd have a fair few current players in their best 1960+ line up.

The wheel turns. Lets hope we see another "great" turn up for Australia in the next 10-20 years that could lay claim to a spot in that line up. Perhaps he's playing school yard cricket now.


Watto by the time he's done is the only guy on the horizon IMO, and only then would he edge Langer out of my team...
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby GWW » Thu May 26, 2011 8:37 pm

Langer doesn't look quite right to me. If he was in, it would be from the perspective of the success of his opening partnership with Hayden. I think Boon, although he batted a lot at first drop, is a worthy challenger to Langer's position, perhaps Bill Lawrie is as well.
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Thu May 26, 2011 9:10 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
mal wrote:

AUSTRALIAN KEEPERS

gilCHRIST
GROUT
HEALY
JARMAN
manou
MARSH


You missed out Zoehrer ;)

Good topic mal, at least it gives the cricket enthusiast something to do during this lull in procedings.


Missed a couple actually. Wayne Phillips?
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby Media Park » Thu May 26, 2011 10:59 pm

Love how Manou was the only name in small letters... douchebag...
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Thu May 26, 2011 11:02 pm

Hodge was also.
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby Media Park » Fri May 27, 2011 5:36 am

The Sleeping Giant wrote:Hodge was also.


Manou makes the list because we don't use that many keepers- generally they're half decent...

Hodge should never make the list...
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby mal » Sat May 28, 2011 2:10 am

mal wrote:THE VOTED LINE UPS

1 GREENIDGE
2 HAYNES
3 RICHARDS
4 LARA
5 LLOYD
6 SOBERS
7 DUJON
8 MARSHALL
9 AMBROSE
10 GARNER
11 HOLDING

1 HAYDEN
2 LANGER
3 PONTING
4 G CHAPPELL
5 S WAUGH
6 BORDER
7 GILchrist
8 ?????????????????DAVIDSON/THOMMO/ALDERMAN [the batting order pending]
9 WARNE
10 LILLIE
11 MCGRATH

Will wait for another couple of peoples line ups to determine the AU 4th bowler



Being the chairman of selectors it is Davo
Alan Davidson it is for the last spot in the Australian team

Umpires are
Steve Bucknor
Max Occonnell

The game is to be played under mostly current Test Match cricket specifications
There will 90 overs bowled per day
The new ball will be available to the fielding team after each 85th over in the innings
Only 2 bouncers per over will be permitted
Liz Hurley is to abstain from sex for the duration of this game
Adam GilCHRIST must wait for the Umpires decision and not walk

Clive Lloyd and Alan Border have been named the captains
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby redandblack » Sun May 29, 2011 6:34 pm

I've only just come to this thread.

General comments:

Did someone leave Sobers out for Richardson :shock: Sobers would be the first player picked.

I don't think Langer is in the top 2 openers in the last 50 years. Lawry or Simpson were much better, IMO. In addition, Simpson was one of the best slip fielders of all time and could bowl spin if necessary.

Neil Harvey was a great player, but mainly before 1960, I think.

I agree with you, mal, that Alan Davidson should be in the side before Alderman, by a long way. Good batsman, great swing bowler, but vies for a spot with McGrath more than anything. Thomson was frighteningly quick and I'd surely open with him and Lillee, with McGrath as the third quick.

Australia win the toss, they're a fair chance. Windies win the toss, they bolt it in, IMO.

PS: Very strange choice of umpires, MAL ;)
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby am Bays » Sun May 29, 2011 7:44 pm

mal wrote:AUSTRALIAN KEEPERS

gilCHRIST
GROUT
HEALY
JARMAN
manou
MARSH



How quickly they forget Roger Woolley, kept in the first two tests IIRC in the 1984 test series in the West indies - the two test we actually drew. <Edit> checked Cricinfo only played the one test in the WI, the Antigua test where we got pumped by an Innings.
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby mal » Sun May 29, 2011 8:37 pm

Not one mention about Brad Haddin not being included in wicketkeeping listings
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby Media Park » Sun May 29, 2011 8:48 pm

mal wrote:Not one mention about Brad Haddin not being included in wicketkeeping listings

because he is crap imo
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby mal » Sun May 29, 2011 8:52 pm

DAY1

HAYDEN....... C RICHARDS B HOLDING 8
LANGER........ C HAYNES B MARSHALL 17
PONTING... C GREENIDGE B AMBROSE 74
CHAPPELL................ LBW HOLDING 104
WAUGH.......................... B SOBERS 58
BORDER.......... C DUJON B MARSHALL 10
GILCHRIST.........C DUJON B MARSHALL 6
DAVIDSON ................ ...... NOT OUT 0
WARNE...............................NOT OUT 1

SUNDRIES......................................12

AU 7/290
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Re: AU V WI 1960-2010 Super Test

Postby mal » Sun May 29, 2011 9:09 pm

mal wrote:DAY1

HAYDEN....... C RICHARDS B HOLDING 8
LANGER........ C HAYNES B MARSHALL 17
PONTING... C GREENIDGE B AMBROSE 74
CHAPPELL................ LBW HOLDING 104
WAUGH.......................... B SOBERS 58
BORDER.......... C DUJON B MARSHALL 10
GILCHRIST.........C DUJON B MARSHALL 6
DAVIDSON ................ ...... NOT OUT 0
WARNE...............................NOT OUT 1

SUNDRIES......................................12

AU 7/290


WI opened up with MALcolm Marshall and Holding
At the start of play Holding was walking towards the boundary, a young boy was thinking the great bowler was about to give him his signature, but Whispering Death was marking out his run up
AU was 2/29 with both Hayden and Langer out cheaply
Ponting and Chappell than batted superbly against a fired up pace attack
Ponting twice hooked Joel Garner over the fine leg boundary early in his innings
Ponting lived dangerously early having edged a few deliveries wide of fielders, before dominating the attack
Chappell was pure elegance, preferring to avoid the short balls, and playing some glorious strokes to deliveries in his half
Chappell made a special century b4 being trapped by a quick yorker by Holding
His parterships with Ponting and Waugh were enough to get AU well on top on day 1 when 3/248
Waugh was peppered with short pitched deliveries, he batted courageously with a gutsy half century
The wickets of Border and GilCHRIST to the second new ball late in the day swung the game back to an even footing
MALcolm Marshall bowled superbly 3/62[22] some of his swinging deliveries were unplayable at times

This match is evenly poised
WI will be keen to finished off the AU innings on day 2, and then bat on a pitch suited to batting
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