Why we can't win the Ashes

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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby mal » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:00 am

I saw what I saw all last summer
In Tests and ODIS Doug troubled Gayle and rattled him
Doug cant help it if the other bowlers got creamed by Gayle
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Media Park » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:28 pm

Why We Can't Win The Ashes:

The same reason ENG cannot win them...

Neither side is good enough to bowl the other team out twice.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:01 am

Media Park wrote:Why We Can't Win The Ashes:

The same reason ENG cannot win them...

Neither side is good enough to bowl the other team out twice.


England don't need to bowl Australia out to win the Ashes, 0-0 and they keep em.

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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Gingernuts » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:47 am

The thing that disappoints me about Australian cricket is the lack of long term planning. To me the selectors keep selecting for immediate impact rather than the long term improvement of the Australian cricket team.

The team at the moment seems to me to be a steady progression of late twenties/early thirties hacks that they 'hope' might be able pull something out their dates to jag a series win here or there.

Cricket Australia need to step back and accept some short term pain for some long term gain. They need to be picking blokes with a decade of cricket in them, not a couple of years at best.

I'm not really across the emerging talent in the country at the moment, but surely there's some likely young fellas in the youth squads that would blossom with exposure to cricket at the highest level.

Yea we might lose the Ashes, but give it a couple years and I reckon we'd be in good shape to give them absolute hell on the return trip.

Personally I'd prefer to lose the Ashes with a bunch of young fellas giving it a fair dinkum crack, rather than a bunch of old hacks that if they were any good would've been playing international cricket 5 years ago.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby FlyingHigh » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:35 pm

GN, it would seem SA are doing this as well by the recruits we keep bringing in. Qld and WA on the other hand seem to be keen to blood some younger players. Do you think the days of the "comfortable" shield cricketer (like we were always told the trouble with County cricket was) are almost here, ahd this is why so many of these fringe players from other states are coming here now? Effectively it means we are picking an Aus XI from 5 states.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby FlyingHigh » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:38 pm

locky801 wrote:Think Ponting also is not inventive enough FFS England are 1/309, why not try something different, throw the ball to Hussey or Katich, even himself for a couple of overs, you just never know what might happen, obviously Clarke is no where near fit or he would have got a couple of overs there, we have bowlers that have alot of heart but that appears to be it. Can guarantee you wont see Siddle get more than 2 or 3 fa now, Hilffs around the mark, bit if it dont swing, he is just a containing bowler. Have to get Bollinger and Harris in there to get into the Poms faces a bit.

Think if you go back in history with Pontings captaincy once the oppostion batters get on top early it seems to be more containment then instead of trying to get wickets or trying something different


Dead right locky. Always reckon the occasional medium-pacer is better than another off-spinner in these situations, especially if they can skid through a little bit. Always remember Taylor throwing Ponting the ball v WI in 1996 when they were about 3/240, Hooper had made a ton, got out not concentrating to Ponting, all out 270. Was also one of the reasons Chappelli loved Dougie Walters.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby locky801 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:20 pm

FlyingHigh wrote:
locky801 wrote:Think Ponting also is not inventive enough FFS England are 1/309, why not try something different, throw the ball to Hussey or Katich, even himself for a couple of overs, you just never know what might happen, obviously Clarke is no where near fit or he would have got a couple of overs there, we have bowlers that have alot of heart but that appears to be it. Can guarantee you wont see Siddle get more than 2 or 3 fa now, Hilffs around the mark, bit if it dont swing, he is just a containing bowler. Have to get Bollinger and Harris in there to get into the Poms faces a bit.

Think if you go back in history with Pontings captaincy once the oppostion batters get on top early it seems to be more containment then instead of trying to get wickets or trying something different


Dead right locky. Always reckon the occasional medium-pacer is better than another off-spinner in these situations, especially if they can skid through a little bit. Always remember Taylor throwing Ponting the ball v WI in 1996 when they were about 3/240, Hooper had made a ton, got out not concentrating to Ponting, all out 270. Was also one of the reasons Chappelli loved Dougie Walters.

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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Media Park » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:37 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
Media Park wrote:Why We Can't Win The Ashes:

The same reason ENG cannot win them...

Neither side is good enough to bowl the other team out twice.


England don't need to bowl Australia out to win the Ashes, 0-0 and they keep em.

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Sorry REB! I meant more that they can't win the series... I'm now thinking a nil-all draw...

Drawn series, Poms retain... :oops:
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby carey » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:43 pm

Media Park wrote:Why We Can't Win The Ashes:

The same reason ENG cannot win them...

Neither side is good enough to bowl the other team out twice.



that there is a very very good point! =D> =D>
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Pidge » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:47 pm

Media Park wrote:Why We Can't Win The Ashes:

The same reason ENG cannot win them...

Neither side is good enough to bowl the other team out twice.


Probably due to the fact that Australian selectors pick their 'favourites' over players that should be in the team.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:46 am

carey wrote:
Media Park wrote:Why We Can't Win The Ashes:

The same reason ENG cannot win them...

Neither side is good enough to bowl the other team out twice.



that there is a very very good point! =D> =D>


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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby wycbloods » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:01 am

Pidge wrote:
Media Park wrote:Why We Can't Win The Ashes:

The same reason ENG cannot win them...

Neither side is good enough to bowl the other team out twice.


Probably due to the fact that Australian selectors pick their 'favourites' over players that should be in the team.


That is very funny coming from the bloke who thinks North should be in the side.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Bluedemon » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:45 am

if we keep playing johnson and north we are going to get done. at least johnson made a century last test, more than north could do.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:50 am

kookas wrote:if we keep playing johnson and north we are going to get done. at least johnson made a century last test, more than north could do.


Only because North was starved of opportunity.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby teaoby » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:03 pm

lets be honest here. yes the feild placings wernt great. BUT!!

a/ we dropped catches
b/ it was a road of a pitch. there was 2 wickets taken in what 2 and a half days?? and 800 odd runs made.

as someone said earlier its going to take a pitch with land mines in it for either team to win because unless swann goes nuts in either adeliade or sydney neither team will take the 20 wickets.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby stan » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:11 pm

teaoby wrote:lets be honest here. yes the feild placings wernt great. BUT!!

a/ we dropped catches
b/ it was a road of a pitch. there was 2 wickets taken in what 2 and a half days?? and 800 odd runs made.

as someone said earlier its going to take a pitch with land mines in it for either team to win because unless swann goes nuts in either adeliade or sydney neither team will take the 20 wickets.


If James Anderson had some luck we would have been in big trouble. He bowled some very good spells of bowling. Only siddle had that one really good spell for the Aussies.

I believe England do have the ability to take 20 wickets, and we possibly have depending if its our day or not. And that is the difference at the moment.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Media Park » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:21 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
carey wrote:
Media Park wrote:Why We Can't Win The Ashes:

The same reason ENG cannot win them...

Neither side is good enough to bowl the other team out twice.



that there is a very very good point! =D> =D>


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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby locky801 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:27 pm

Our batting is a real problem

Katich one good knock in BrisVegas, dont know he he's going as he didnt face a ball today
Watson, has made a start in the 3 innings but hasnt gone on
Ponting, gone, seeya goodbye, was one of our best now a liability, dont rate his 2nd Innings in Brisvegas cause there was no pressure, his mind seems elsewhere
Clarke, close to above, obviously not fit, needs a break, cant see him being the next skipper
Hussey, no comment needed
North, only thing in his favour is that he has more runs and wickets than Clarke
Haddin, keeps on keeping on, not the best keeper in Aust but is the best keeper/batsman in Aus
Doherty, an experment, didnt think he did to bad in his 1st test, long way to go
Hilf, if you cant get it to swing in Brisvegas you wont swing it anywhere
Johnson, may as well go get some more ink work
Siddle, hat tricks dont make you a great bowler, still needs to pitch the ball more like he did when he got the hattrick
Harris, we wait and see, needs to be fired up and put some ferar into the opposition
Bollinger, keep your mouth shut and let the ball do the talking

Now I have bagged most we need a new side i guess
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:47 pm

Why we can't win the Ashes ..... England are better than us in all areas of the game. Pretty simple really.
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Re: Why we can't win the Ashes

Postby The Dark Knight » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:47 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:Why we can't win the Ashes ..... England are better than us in all areas of the game. Pretty simple really.

Correct, unfortunately that's how simple it is. :?
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