Brad Hogg Apology Thread

[rod_rooster]

Ricky Ponting showing full confidence in Hogg. India 1/125 and he is yet to bowl.

[rod_rooster]

Well here we go. For over number 42 Hogg comes into the attack. India 1/132.

It appears as though Ponting is using Hogg as a last resort here. I personally think Hogg should have been brought on earlier but if he isn't going to be used differently to this he shouldn't play. I really don't feel as though Ponting has confidence in Hogg as a wicket taker.

[rod_rooster]

Right there why Hogg should have been on earlier. Completely went through Dravid and Gilchrist. Very good bowling.

[Pup]

Next ball, short and 4.

[Pup]

Bowling really well ATM

[Hondo]

That might be true, but since MacGill will never be fit again, the question begs who the better option is. There are no other options close to these two at the moment. Hogg is the more consistent, the better bat, the better fielder and has beaten many good players in his time. MacGill no doubt is the more brilliant and can run through a team like Hogg doesn't. However, Hogg doesn't send down so many pies, and doesn't lose confidence like MacGill can. If both are fit and in form, it's MacGill. With MacGill not fit and not in good form, it's Hogg all the way for me.

I think you are mis-understanding me - I am not saying Hogg is not the second best option. I think he's a good bowler TBH. I just don't think he will ever win a test for us as a bowler.

Its actually a huge concern that these guys are our only 2 options and sooner or later a test match will go south for us because we don't have a good spinning option. How many times in history has an Aust captain waited until the score was 130 before bringing on his spinner in Sydney?

[RoosterMarty]

He should have been brought on earlier. That ball RR mentioned earlier was a beauty, and not long ago he took the most important wicket of the innings thus far, removing a centurian who was looking fairly comfortable is a great effort.

[mal]

Whatever Georgie finishes up with in this series v India should be ignored.
He is against some of the finest players of spin the world has seen as a unit
If he gets away with an average of about 40 he would be very well satisfied.

[Dutchy]

Does his tongue get sunburnt?

[sasquatch]

If he gets away with an average of about 40 he would be very well satisfied.

Is that with the bat or ball?

[Grahaml]

That might be true, but since MacGill will never be fit again, the question begs who the better option is. There are no other options close to these two at the moment. Hogg is the more consistent, the better bat, the better fielder and has beaten many good players in his time. MacGill no doubt is the more brilliant and can run through a team like Hogg doesn't. However, Hogg doesn't send down so many pies, and doesn't lose confidence like MacGill can. If both are fit and in form, it's MacGill. With MacGill not fit and not in good form, it's Hogg all the way for me.

I think you are mis-understanding me - I am not saying Hogg is not the second best option. I think he's a good bowler TBH. I just don't think he will ever win a test for us as a bowler.

Its actually a huge concern that these guys are our only 2 options and sooner or later a test match will go south for us because we don't have a good spinning option. How many times in history has an Aust captain waited until the score was 130 before bringing on his spinner in Sydney?

No, you are misunderstanding me. I qualify myself at the beginning that there is no 3rd option (which you seem to acknowledge) simply to enable me to be able to leave it as a simple Hogg vs MacGill situation. Are you not saying that it is between these 2 for the mantle of Australia's best test spin option?

I get really annoyed when people say things like "will never win us a test match". What a load of BS. You can't win a test match on your own. Everyone has a job to do, and Hogg is donig his. He's done at least as much as anyone else this match to set us up for a win so if anything your statement about not winning matches has already been shown up. Australia are now in a position to try to win, whereas without those wickets India might be forging a lead with 5 (or more) wickets in hand as we speak. Seems to me he's done his bit.

[Hondo]

No, you are misunderstanding me. I qualify myself at the beginning that there is no 3rd option (which you seem to acknowledge) simply to enable me to be able to leave it as a simple Hogg vs MacGill situation. Are you not saying that it is between these 2 for the mantle of Australia's best test spin option?

I get really annoyed when people say things like "will never win us a test match". What a load of BS. You can't win a test match on your own. Everyone has a job to do, and Hogg is donig his. He's done at least as much as anyone else this match to set us up for a win so if anything your statement about not winning matches has already been shown up. Australia are now in a position to try to win, whereas without those wickets India might be forging a lead with 5 (or more) wickets in hand as we speak. Seems to me he's done his bit.

Agreed there is no 3rd option - in fact, never questioned it. I think he should be in the side in MacGill's absence.

Yes, he's done his bit this test. That's all I am saying - he'll get his 2 or 3 for a fair bit most times. A serviceable, honest player getting the most out of his ability and good on him for that. But not someone who will run through a side and turn a game with a 5-for very often. That's what I mean when I say "win a test". A match turning innings or bowling effort as often turned in by the likes of Hayden, Ponting, Gilly, Lee, Warne, McGrath, Symonds, etc .... yes, even MacGill

So I think we agree?

I don't want to knock him either - this whole thing started when we were asked to apologise to a bowler after he scored 79 with the bat. That's all.

[locky801]

Can't believe the lack of bowling he has done during this huge partnership between Tendalker and Harbijan

[Rik E Boy]

REB I can't speak for the others but my point was that the apologies should come if he takes a bag of wickets, not because he scored 79 with the bat. His job in the side is as a bowler, not a batsman. I have been as hard on Dizzy when similar comments have come up about his batting for SA.

As someone said - if he scores runs thats a bonus and well done to him for yesterday. But start the thread when he does something with the ball IMO. Lets face it, in Melbourne he took a few wickets in between being carted around the MCG fairly easily. If Hogg's fans are going to use his 79 with the bat to start an apology thread at 1,000 miles an hour then I think we have our answer .....

He'll have a good opportunity in this test to warrant his own apology thread - if he's going to perform anywhere then its in Sydney. And good luck to him if he does.

For mine, a FIT Stuart MacGill is still the better bowler of the two.

Yeah, but MacGill is not fit is he? As for Hogg's Melbourne effort, he got collared by no less than Sachin Tendulkar. When Tendulkar got out to Clarky, Hogga picked up Gangully when he was in good touch. He has since repeated the feat on two other occaisions. This Indian team revolves around Gangully, Laxman and Tendulkar and Hogga has Gangully three times already in the series.

As for what constitues a valid reason for an 'apology thread' what a ridiculous concept. I wanted Hogg in and almost to a poster everyone else plumped for Tait and the four quicks. Hogg is doing a good job so far that is all that needs to be said.

As for the SCG being Hogg's best chance for success..many current players and glory days commentators like Ian Chappell are stating and contiue to state that the nature of this wicket is not what it used to be in terms of assisting the slow bowlers. It is a friggin road and the scores support this.

regards,

REB

[Hondo]

REB, in the end I thought Hogg should play in Melbourne and I think he should play in Perth too

I say .... BAN apology / "I told you so" threads altogether

[Hondo]

Symonds (part time spinner) 3 wickets
Clarke (part time spinner) 3 wickets
Hogg (specialist) 0-55

s .... s .... s ....

[sydney-dog]

Symonds (part time spinner) 3 wickets
Clarke (part time spinner) 3 wickets
Hogg (specialist) 0-55

s .... s .... s ....

Begs the question

should Tait replace Hogg and use part time spinners

[rod_rooster]

s .... s .... s ....

I think the word you're looking for is SEEYA

[locky801]

I know what this thread is now about, all we have to do is wait for Brad to come and apologise

[rod_rooster]

I know what this thread is now about, all we have to do is wait for Brad to come and apologise

Not his fault he got picked