Matthew Elliott has got to GO!!!!!

[jackpot jim]

NFC & JJ .....

1 Who comes in for Elliot?
2 Why does Deitz stay when he is averaging 20 - or is he going too?

1 Give Plant another go or if all else Fails....DIZZEEEEEEEEEE, (seeing that some people think that he cant bowl anymore)

2 Topped the Runs for SA last year i Think? and at least he has made a couple of tons in the last few years and also has a few years on his side unlike MATTY.

[mal]

If there was a young opening batsman to take his place it would be easier to drop Elliott. I had big hopes for Jason Borgas at the start of the season but it appears hes not ready to be a consistent performer at first class level just yet.

So i think its fair enough Elliott stays in the side for the time being.

J BORGAS V M ELLIOTT 2006-2007

ELLIOTT
19
7
0
6
43
81
0
5
16
4
9
3
0
0

193 RUNS
13-79 AVE

J BORGAS
18
7
66
68
38
95
27
1
5
83

408 RUNS
40-8 AVE

After one game this season J Borgas was dropped
What message does this send to young players in SA ?

[mal]

First class season 07/08

Matthew Elliott - 12 innings for 323 runs @ 29.36

Shane Watson - 5 innings for 28 runs @ 5.60

Franger Cup

Matthew Elliott - 5 innings for 259 runs @ 86.33

Shane Watson - 3 innings for 100 runs @ 33.33

NFC who started this thread and MALfunctioning credibility have been backing WATT000 to play for australia yet want Matthew Elliott dropped from the SACA's.....

Have a look at the current stats above and they tell a story......

ELLIOTT V WATSON

ELLIOTT
391 INNINGS
47-23 AVE

WATSON
99 INNINGS
46-65 AVE

[mal]

First class season 07/08

Matthew Elliott - 12 innings for 323 runs @ 29.36

Shane Watson - 5 innings for 28 runs @ 5.60

Franger Cup

Matthew Elliott - 5 innings for 259 runs @ 86.33

Shane Watson - 3 innings for 100 runs @ 33.33

NFC who started this thread and MALfunctioning credibility have been backing WATT000 to play for australia yet want Matthew Elliott dropped from the SACA's.....

Have a look at the current stats above and they tell a story......

FIRST CLASS AVERAGES
ELLIOTT V WATSON

ELLIOTT
391 INNINGS
47-23 AVE

WATSON
99 INNINGS
46-65 AVE

[NFC]

NFC & JJ .....

1 Who comes in for Elliot?
2 Why does Deitz stay when he is averaging 20 - or is he going too?

Deitz has had pathetic treatment over the past few years, give him a freaking chance to get settled. He was our best batsmen last season with an average of close to 45. Elliott has been subpar for 2.5 seasons now and yet here you are going on about Deitz.

[NFC]

He is averaging over 44 in the innings' that count, plus whereas the average time a member of the top six should head the scoring is 16.67%, Herb is topscoring out of recognised batsmen in 67% of SA's first innings'. He has a better record in that than any player in the Pura
Cup in Australia in any team! So are you saying that we need to drop every batsmen from every side in the Pura Cup??
Cheers

So why then do we even bother counting second innings runs? Why bother include them in a players statistics?

[mal]

The batting line up by game 1 next season

J BORGAS [or D HARRIS/PLANT/CAMERON]
L VINCENT
C BORGAS
C FERGUSON
M COSGROVE
D CHRISTIAN
S DIETZ
GILLESPIE

OUT
ADCOCK
MANOU
ELLIOTT

[GWW]

Is Vincent a realistic chance of playing for us next season? Hes back in the NZ team, i would have thought he'd play there for a few years yet.

[NFC]

The batting line up by game 1 next season

J BORGAS [or D HARRIS/PLANT/CAMERON]
L VINCENT
C BORGAS
C FERGUSON
M COSGROVE
D CHRISTIAN
S DIETZ
GILLESPIE

OUT
ADCOCK
MANOU
ELLIOTT

Will they have the guts? Would be admitting a pretty big mistake.

[mal]

Is Vincent a realistic chance of playing for us next season? Hes back in the NZ team, i would have thought he'd play there for a few years yet.

VINCENT was very close to playing this year
He has told me personally that he loves the harder Australian wickets
He wants to come and play for SA sooner than later

[smithy]

MAL - NFC ...... you can bring up all the stats you want over a career but we are talking NOW....

Don't try and cover up your blatant talk of Watson making the Australian team whilst he has lower stats than the player you want to drop from a state team..

We can all draw county stats etc to inflate an argument, but lets talk this seasons performances.

[Hondo]

Deitz has had pathetic treatment over the past few years, give him a freaking chance to get settled. He was our best batsmen last season with an average of close to 45. Elliott has been subpar for 2.5 seasons now and yet here you are going on about Deitz.

Again .... lets make excuses for some and crucify others at every opportunity

Besides, I thought we had to ignore last year's form or does that just apply to Adcock?

If you are going to start a thread about a guy averaging 29 be prepared for questions about his opening partner averaging 20

[bulldogproud]

He is averaging over 44 in the innings' that count, plus whereas the average time a member of the top six should head the scoring is 16.67%, Herb is topscoring out of recognised batsmen in 67% of SA's first innings'. He has a better record in that than any player in the Pura
Cup in Australia in any team! So are you saying that we need to drop every batsmen from every side in the Pura Cup??
Cheers

So why then do we even bother counting second innings runs? Why bother include them in a players statistics?

Everyone knows that the first innings sets up the match. It is pretty hard to win matches from way behind on the first innings. Ask anyone who has played the game at a high level whether they value the runs they made in the first innings more than they do those in the second innings of matches.
Cheers

[NFC]

Deitz has had pathetic treatment over the past few years, give him a freaking chance to get settled. He was our best batsmen last season with an average of close to 45. Elliott has been subpar for 2.5 seasons now and yet here you are going on about Deitz.

Again .... lets make excuses for some and crucify others at every opportunity

Besides, I thought we had to ignore last year's form or does that just apply to Adcock?

If you are going to start a thread about a guy averaging 29 be prepared for questions about his opening partner averaging 20

Ah okay, so Deitz's last season form means nothing?

2006/07: Deitz >>>>>>>>>>> Elliott.

Just because Elliott's pathetic average is slightly better than Deitz's average doesn't mean he's any good. Elliott is what, 36 odd, and he should be making runs or be out of the team. It's that simple.

[NFC]

He is averaging over 44 in the innings' that count, plus whereas the average time a member of the top six should head the scoring is 16.67%, Herb is topscoring out of recognised batsmen in 67% of SA's first innings'. He has a better record in that than any player in the Pura
Cup in Australia in any team! So are you saying that we need to drop every batsmen from every side in the Pura Cup??
Cheers

So why then do we even bother counting second innings runs? Why bother include them in a players statistics?

Everyone knows that the first innings sets up the match. It is pretty hard to win matches from way behind on the first innings. Ask anyone who has played the game at a high level whether they value the runs they made in the first innings more than they do those in the second innings of matches.
Cheers

Of course it's important, but to completely ignore 2nd innings statistics is LAUGHABLE.

[bulldogproud]

Not ignoring second innings runs. Just saying that if you don't make them in the first innings you are pretty much out of the match. The first innings sets up the match, as to whether you have a chance of winning it.
Cheers

[Hondo]

NFC - is Adcock safe then because he averaged 45 last season?

Seeing as we are basing our (knee-jerk / didn't check stats before starting thread ) Elliot v Deitz comparisons on last year

I mean why base selection on 2007-08/current form that's just crazy

[Hondo]

Just because Elliott's pathetic average is slightly better than Deitz's average

Try 50% better

[NFC]

NFC - is Adcock safe then because he averaged 45 last season?

Seeing as we are basing our (knee-jerk / didn't check stats before starting thread ) Elliot v Deitz comparisons on last year

I mean why base selection on 2007-08/current form that's just crazy

How many runs did Adcock make last season?

Why are we talking about Adcock? He's absolutely pathetic, as has Elliott been for 2.5 seasons.

Deitz is struggling yes, but he like Adcock and Elliott have been given, needs time.

[bulldogproud]

Why not drop the whole South Australian team and then start again, hey?
After all, only Elliott, Lehmann and Ferguson have topscored out of the recognised batsmen this season.
Lehmann has gone, you want Herb gone, so you may as well drop everyone!
Cheers