Aus v Ind Test Series

[Rik E Boy]

Fast bowlers have always been prone to these injuries, particularly stress fractures.

Could it be a case that alot of the older bowlers played through these injuries because they put it down to general soreness as technology may not have picked up a lot of the smaller fractures etc

Where these day technology is so advanced any slight injury can be picked up through X-ray, scans, etc etc

Fast bowlers in the past got hurt and had shorter careers. Bruce Reid a prime example but Thommo had his effectiveness curtailed when he crashed into Alan Turner I think it was against Pakistan. Have a look at Mitch. He's taken a lot of wickets and played a lot of Tests. In the past his foot problem may have finished him. Merv Hughes was destroyed in England in 1993, today he would be managed and might have been another to have a longer Career today.

Bowlers started to get hurt more when they're was first more tours and then more formats. A lot of younger bowlers have a mixed approach to the wicket (i.e not fully side or front on and twisting their bodies at the point of delivery) and this combined with too heavy a load on young players has led to injury. At the junior level there are limits as to how much bowling a kid can do but you try and hold back an 18 or 19 year old that just wants to bowl as fast as they can.

We need more bowlers because there is more cricket. Disagree with the post above ( not yours) that says bowlers are soft. Can't be much fun charging in on Roads against batsmen using tree trunks to drop kick the ball over a shortened boundary.

regards,

REB

[whufc]

Got on Warner for man on match in this one

Feel like it's gonna really favour the batters with there being a fairly friendly declaration at some point due to the dead rubber nature of the game.

Most crucial blokes this test for us I reckon will be Lyon and Watson, both will be expected to bowl a decent amount of overs and for us to win both will need to bowl well.

Don't think it will happen but would love to see Burns go to 3 and Watson to 6 for this match

[whufc]

Fast bowlers have always been prone to these injuries, particularly stress fractures.

Could it be a case that alot of the older bowlers played through these injuries because they put it down to general soreness as technology may not have picked up a lot of the smaller fractures etc

Where these day technology is so advanced any slight injury can be picked up through X-ray, scans, etc etc

Fast bowlers in the past got hurt and had shorter careers. Bruce Reid a prime example but Thommo had his effectiveness curtailed when he crashed into Alan Turner I think it was against Pakistan. Have a look at Mitch. He's taken a lot of wickets and played a lot of Tests. In the past his foot problem may have finished him. Merv Hughes was destroyed in England in 1993, today he would be managed and might have been another to have a longer Career today.

Bowlers started to get hurt more when they're was first more tours and then more formats. A lot of younger bowlers have a mixed approach to the wicket (i.e not fully side or front on and twisting their bodies at the point of delivery) and this combined with too heavy a load on young players has led to injury. At the junior level there are limits as to how much bowling a kid can do but you try and hold back an 18 or 19 year old that just wants to bowl as fast as they can.

We need more bowlers because there is more cricket. Disagree with the post above ( not yours) that says bowlers are soft. Can't be much fun charging in on Roads against batsmen using tree trunks to drop kick the ball over a shortened boundary.

regards,

REB

Good point as well as much as the game has developed nearly all developments have benefited the batsmen, bigger bats, smaller boundaries, better pitches etc etc

[bennymacca]

looking forward to the match today.

one interesting stat about starc

he has now played 14 tests, and only the first two of those have been consecutively, so for the better part of three years he has played 1 test then been out again.

this might be the one reason i say we should persist with him, he has hardly been able to have an extended crack at it. it is pretty hard to judge someone on single test matches. especially when the lad probably thinks he has to take a 10fa to get a second game (even then that might not happen)

[stan]

India have made 3 changes. Out goes Dhawan, Pujara and I.Sharma.

Pujara is one of there best bats and works hard at the crease. Interesting one. Also Sharma has been there go to man with the ball when things havent bee happening for them. Interesting.

[Grahaml]

looking forward to the match today.

one interesting stat about starc

he has now played 14 tests, and only the first two of those have been consecutively, so for the better part of three years he has played 1 test then been out again.

this might be the one reason i say we should persist with him, he has hardly been able to have an extended crack at it. it is pretty hard to judge someone on single test matches. especially when the lad probably thinks he has to take a 10fa to get a second game (even then that might not happen)

At the expense of who though? Can't pick him ahead of Johnson or Harris yet surely and he's definitely not challenging Lyon's position. So Hazlewood? Starc may be deserving of a run as you suggest but I think Hazlewood deserves one more right now. Not to mention the chance that I think both Cummins and Pattinson deserve after their respective performances at the top level. I think it's simply a case of having a lot of very good bowling options at once. But as Stuart MacGill amongst many others will attest, it isn't about being good enough, it's about being the best available.

[RB]

looking forward to the match today.

one interesting stat about starc

he has now played 14 tests, and only the first two of those have been consecutively, so for the better part of three years he has played 1 test then been out again.

this might be the one reason i say we should persist with him, he has hardly been able to have an extended crack at it. it is pretty hard to judge someone on single test matches. especially when the lad probably thinks he has to take a 10fa to get a second game (even then that might not happen)

I've always thought of Starc as a poor man's Johnson. As soon as the batsman start getting on top of him, he completely losers it and becomes very, very inaccurate and goes for even more runs. I hope for his sake he takes wickets because like many I rate Pattinson, Bird, Cummins, even Faulkner and Siddle as well as other Shield bowlers ahead of him.

[Grahaml]

India have made 3 changes. Out goes Dhawan, Pujara and I.Sharma.

Pujara is one of there best bats and works hard at the crease. Interesting one. Also Sharma has been there go to man with the ball when things havent bee happening for them. Interesting.

4. Dhoni out too but then we did know that one. Indian batting looks pretty thin. Kohli obviously the stand out while both Vijay and Rahane have been very good. The rest look shaky at best to me.

When will opposition teams learn that you don't pick bowlers based on their batting? Kumar in is surely because he averages near 25 in tests and near 30 in FC cricket. Surely Shami saved by his 30 in Adelaide because his bowling is clearly behind Ishant's. Just pathetic. If the best 6 bats you have available can't do the job then what good will a bloke who just happens to be less of a bunny be? This could get ugly. Ashwin needs to have a great test here you think because he won't get pressure from the other end as much I fear.

[bennymacca]

looking forward to the match today.

one interesting stat about starc

he has now played 14 tests, and only the first two of those have been consecutively, so for the better part of three years he has played 1 test then been out again.

this might be the one reason i say we should persist with him, he has hardly been able to have an extended crack at it. it is pretty hard to judge someone on single test matches. especially when the lad probably thinks he has to take a 10fa to get a second game (even then that might not happen)

At the expense of who though? Can't pick him ahead of Johnson or Harris yet surely and he's definitely not challenging Lyon's position. So Hazlewood? Starc may be deserving of a run as you suggest but I think Hazlewood deserves one more right now. Not to mention the chance that I think both Cummins and Pattinson deserve after their respective performances at the top level. I think it's simply a case of having a lot of very good bowling options at once. But as Stuart MacGill amongst many others will attest, it isn't about being good enough, it's about being the best available.

im not saying he should be in the team ahead of anyone else, just that some on here were saying it was his last chance today, but my point is even though he has played 14 tests he kind hasn't even had his first chance yet, let alone his last.

the counter argument is that he hasn't done well enough to make the position his own, and thats true, but once again thats hard to do in a single test.

[Jim05]

These pricks couldnt catch a cold.
Rahul's was a deadset disgrace

[mighty_tiger_79]

The Indians drop a sitter at second slip which would have seen Rogers on his way

0/50 off 8 overs

[Jim05]

Another 50 to Warner, 0/97 in the 19th

[Bombers4EVA]

Are we turning the 4th test into a match where they can see who can make the most runs with the least amount of balls faced?? Its almost like watching either a 20/20 or a 50/50 match.

[mighty_tiger_79]

Are we turning the 4th test into a match where they can see who can make the most runs with the least amount of balls faced?? Its almost like watching either a 20/20 or a 50/50 match.

The pitch is flat as a pancake

India's bowling leaves a lot to be desired at the best of times away from home

[mighty_tiger_79]

looks like Rahul has let another chance go by, as the ball fell inches short of his hands

[Jim05]

looks like Rahul has let another chance go by, as the ball fell inches short of his hands

Reckon he gave that one the short arm

[mighty_tiger_79]

0/123 @ lunch

[Coach Bombay]

5 50's in a row to Rogers. Might be a record, im not sure.

[Bombers4EVA]

5 50's in a row to Rogers. Might be a record, im not sure.

The 2014 - 2015 "Haddin". Comparing to Haddin's Ashes campain last year where he made quite a few runs.

[bennymacca]

Are we turning the 4th test into a match where they can see who can make the most runs with the least amount of balls faced?? Its almost like watching either a 20/20 or a 50/50 match.

The pitch is flat as a pancake

India's bowling leaves a lot to be desired at the best of times away from home

looks like they need to go back to adelaide oval for the hope of a result