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South Africa v Pakistan, 2nd test stumps day three
Pakistan lead by 40 runs making 294 in their second innings
Shafiq 88
Azam 72
Rabada 4/61
Steyn 4/85

South Africa only needing 41 to win the second test win by 9 wickets and lead the series 2-0

Faf suspended for a match due to slow over rates, no idea how we have avoided this constantly bowling 26-27 overs in a session.

Playing 4 quicks makes it tough for Faf

Slow over rate and the match is ended inside 3 days??

Armchair expert wrote:Faf suspended for a match due to slow over rates, no idea how we have avoided this constantly bowling 26-27 overs in a session.

Playing 4 quicks makes it tough for Faf

There really are no excuses, I remember the Windies used to get a bit sluggish but still pulled through without any spinners, 15 an hour, one every four minutes, that should be piss easy.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Armchair expert wrote:Faf suspended for a match due to slow over rates, no idea how we have avoided this constantly bowling 26-27 overs in a session.

Playing 4 quicks makes it tough for Faf

There really are no excuses, I remember the Windies used to get a bit sluggish but still pulled through without any spinners, 15 an hour, one every four minutes, that should be piss easy.

The Windies weren't playing against batsmen who needed new gloves every 5 overs, a drink in between, a towel to wipe their face every 10, perhaps a panadol if it was too hot, maybe a rub down from the physio if they had to run a quick one.

Umpires allowed too much leeway for batsman in the last 10 years or so and now they take the piss.

While it is true the batsmen do get all of these things, how often does it actually delay the bowling side? More often than not the batsman is still ready to go before the fielding side.

Even still, they now give an extra 30 minutes to get the overs in. That means the batsman are delaying the game for a full minute every three overs? I don't think so.

A few concussion tests and say 2-3 DRS reviews would be the bigger items delaying the game rather than batsmen changing gloves between overs.

Trader wrote:While it is true the batsmen do get all of these things, how often does it actually delay the bowling side? More often than not the batsman is still ready to go before the fielding side.

Even still, they now give an extra 30 minutes to get the overs in. That means the batsman are delaying the game for a full minute every three overs? I don't think so.

A few concussion tests and say 2-3 DRS reviews would be the bigger items delaying the game rather than batsmen changing gloves between overs.

Throwing the ball back to the keeper in the 47th over when the batsman has pushed it to mid off for no run is pet hate of mine.

Trader wrote:While it is true the batsmen do get all of these things, how often does it actually delay the bowling side? More often than not the batsman is still ready to go before the fielding side.

Even still, they now give an extra 30 minutes to get the overs in. That means the batsman are delaying the game for a full minute every three overs? I don't think so.

A few concussion tests and say 2-3 DRS reviews would be the bigger items delaying the game rather than batsmen changing gloves between overs.

Theres 2 solutions as far as im concerned.
1. Ban anyone else from entering the field of play for the 2 hours of each session. Apart from medical emergencies, needs to be umpire approved.
Or 2. Do away with the drinks break, who needs them when people are on and off the field all the time anyway

daysofourlives wrote:

Trader wrote:While it is true the batsmen do get all of these things, how often does it actually delay the bowling side? More often than not the batsman is still ready to go before the fielding side.

Even still, they now give an extra 30 minutes to get the overs in. That means the batsman are delaying the game for a full minute every three overs? I don't think so.

A few concussion tests and say 2-3 DRS reviews would be the bigger items delaying the game rather than batsmen changing gloves between overs.

Theres 2 solutions as far as im concerned.
1. Ban anyone else from entering the field of play for the 2 hours of each session. Apart from medical emergencies, needs to be umpire approved.
Or 2. Do away with the drinks break, who needs them when people are on and off the field all the time anyway

This ^.

No need for a 5 minute break every hour, it's rare a batsman goes 5 overs without a towel, drink or gloves so drop the drinks breaks.

All that said it's up to the umpires to get the fielding side moving.

daysofourlives wrote:

Trader wrote:While it is true the batsmen do get all of these things, how often does it actually delay the bowling side? More often than not the batsman is still ready to go before the fielding side.

Even still, they now give an extra 30 minutes to get the overs in. That means the batsman are delaying the game for a full minute every three overs? I don't think so.

A few concussion tests and say 2-3 DRS reviews would be the bigger items delaying the game rather than batsmen changing gloves between overs.

Theres 2 solutions as far as im concerned.
1. Ban anyone else from entering the field of play for the 2 hours of each session. Apart from medical emergencies, needs to be umpire approved.
Or 2. Do away with the drinks break, who needs them when people are on and off the field all the time anyway

Maybe allow one if a wicket hasn't fallen in the session, other than that, I agree, they get plenty of opportunities for a refreshment.

Booney wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Armchair expert wrote:Faf suspended for a match due to slow over rates, no idea how we have avoided this constantly bowling 26-27 overs in a session.

Playing 4 quicks makes it tough for Faf

There really are no excuses, I remember the Windies used to get a bit sluggish but still pulled through without any spinners, 15 an hour, one every four minutes, that should be piss easy.

The Windies weren't playing against batsmen who needed new gloves every 5 overs, a drink in between, a towel to wipe their face every 10, perhaps a panadol if it was too hot, maybe a rub down from the physio if they had to run a quick one.

Umpires allowed too much leeway for batsman in the last 10 years or so and now they take the piss.

The Windies were the reason these fines and suspensions were brought in. In Perth in December 1988 in 5 1/2 hours the Windies bowled 76 overs at an average of 13.8 overs per hour. There are plenty of other examples of their pathetic over rates of the time. There were no penalties in those days. They were absolutely disgraceful with their over rate when they were dominating World Cricket.

One of the changes that could be made to ensure we see more cricket is to bring back 8 ball overs. It of course will never happen but certainly more cricket was played when 8 ball overs were bowled. Keith Stackpole said as much in the early days of the Channel 9 coverage after WSC and was duly sacked by K. Packer. Packer insisted on the 6 ball over to get in more advertisements.

robranisgod wrote:One of the changes that could be made to ensure we see more cricket is to bring back 8 ball overs.

This, this and this.

As a spectator either there or on the couch, happy with the drinks break, and a weather policy where over certain, highly-set temp and/or humidity they have two a session each 40 minutes, but stop all the comings-and-goings in the meantime. On the first day at Adelaide seemed the umpires trying to be on this a bit more.

I don't understand why the bowling side wants to be so slow. If you knew you had a day in the field I'd be trying to bowl 32 overs in the first two sessions to try to put pressure on the batsmen and then you could dawdle a bit in the last session when they may be looking to press on and it may interrupt their rhythm.

Good to see suspensions for over rates. Should have happened years ago.

Perhaps we could have eight ball overs for tests and six for the shorter forms?

Apparently the thought process is that concentration is more important for a batsman than a fielder, so by bowling more of your overs late in the day, you're more likely to pick up wickets than bowling the same overs earlier on. I wouldn't have thought it mattered that much, but it's a clear pattern from most sides.

all these drinks coming out is a joke, watched a game the other day and a wicket fell off the first ball of the match, alas all these people run out on the field with drink bottles for the players, what a bloody joke

Trader wrote:Apparently the thought process is that concentration is more important for a batsman than a fielder, so by bowling more of your overs late in the day, you're more likely to pick up wickets than bowling the same overs earlier on. I wouldn't have thought it mattered that much, but it's a clear pattern from most sides.

There's a logic in that but like you I'm a bit skeptical. Surely most of us have nodded off in the field at one stage or another on a long arvo (at least in the good old days of two-day cricket!!)
Would have thought bowling more balls in a shorter period of time, especially if you've got them under pressure early on, would make it harder to concentrate. Or if you are going slow and do knock them over you've got all that many more overs to face.

I see the Sri Lankans have been given an amnesty to come clean about corruption
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-10/icc-two-week-amnesty-to-report-corruption-sri-lanka-cricket/10704464?section=sport

Key points:
The ICC says it will issue the amnesty from January 16-31 for reporting previously undisclosed information of corruption in Sri Lankan cricket
A number of former Sri Lankan cricket internationals and administrators have recently been involved in corruption cases
Sri Lanka's sports minister said last month that the ICC has ranked the country's cricket administration "corrupt from top to bottom"

Mr Beefy wrote:I see the Sri Lankans have been given an amnesty to come clean about corruption
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-10/icc-two-week-amnesty-to-report-corruption-sri-lanka-cricket/10704464?section=sport

Key points:
The ICC says it will issue the amnesty from January 16-31 for reporting previously undisclosed information of corruption in Sri Lankan cricket
A number of former Sri Lankan cricket internationals and administrators have recently been involved in corruption cases
Sri Lanka's sports minister said last month that the ICC has ranked the country's cricket administration "corrupt from top to bottom"

Corruption, in cricket, no way!