World Cup - Australia v Zimbabwe Game 1

[Rik E Boy]

Cam White continues his excellent form.

I guess you've gotta persist with him hoping he finds form, but he looked HORRIBLE out there today.

They've got things the wrong way around. White should be playing tests and Usman the one dayers. White can be a tough customer to get out but he gets into a tangle whenver he tries to go large. How does he get this 'big hitting' reputation.

And What is the go with Brad Haddin? The guy can bat but he's go no brains. He either gets out stupidly playing a shot that isn't on or he gets bogged down and scores 29 off 64 because Punter wants him to 'bat through the innings'. Not an intelligent cricketer at all.

regards,

REB

[Jim05]

Bring on the Paine!!!!!

[mal]

FFS
Channell bloody 9 are having a delayed telecast
The game has not finished on Channell bloody 9 as yet

There I was predicting at my absolute finest during the Zimmy innings
All the while Channel 9 was about 30 minutes behind in a delayed telecast
Cant believe they were that far behind and their competitor Foxel was live
And those blastered C9 commercials drove me crazy
Thank god for the Salvos and Foxtel

[Pup]

Cam White continues his excellent form.

I guess you've gotta persist with him hoping he finds form, but he looked HORRIBLE out there today.

They've got things the wrong way around. White should be playing tests and Usman the one dayers. White can be a tough customer to get out but he gets into a tangle whenver he tries to go large. How does he get this 'big hitting' reputation.

And What is the go with Brad Haddin? The guy can bat but he's go no brains. He either gets out stupidly playing a shot that isn't on or he gets bogged down and scores 29 off 64 because Punter wants him to 'bat through the innings'. Not an intelligent cricketer at all.

regards,

REB

I reckon you post some excellent stuff mate but i just can not see how you can justify this view? He looks horrible and i know you don't need to look good to be a quality batsman but he gets himself into a awful mess against Quality bowlers. If he is playing test cricket then we are in bigger trouble than i thought!

The Haddin comment i agree with!

[Jim05]

Stuff C9 they are a disgrace.
Thought fox did a good job apart from the annoying zimma commentator, worse accent then kiwis.

[Pup]

How did people rate Clarkes innings.

I thought the top 3 batted slow but set up the rest of the innings for the batsmen to be able to bat agressively.

imho Clarke and White batted very selfishly and killed the Australian innings with their slow pace when they should have been looking to accellerate.
Should be enough to win this game but stranger things have happened.

Be intersting to see how we bat against world class spinners if thats what we are to produce against average spinners. This score will not win us games against the quality sides, India/Sri Lanka would make those runs within 40 overs.

Haha of course you thought Clarke batted poorly, A run a ball century would not be enough for you to give him some credit? As for killing the innings what about Haddin?

You do know Clarke had a SR over a hundred? You dont need 4's and 6's to be batting quickly.

[whufc]

How did people rate Clarkes innings.

I thought the top 3 batted slow but set up the rest of the innings for the batsmen to be able to bat agressively.

imho Clarke and White batted very selfishly and killed the Australian innings with their slow pace when they should have been looking to accellerate.
Should be enough to win this game but stranger things have happened.

Be intersting to see how we bat against world class spinners if thats what we are to produce against average spinners. This score will not win us games against the quality sides, India/Sri Lanka would make those runs within 40 overs.

Haha of course you thought Clarke batted poorly, A run a ball century would not be enough for you to give him some credit? As for killing the innings what about Haddin?

You do know Clarke had a SR over a hundred? You dont need 4's and 6's to be batting quickly.

I didnt say he batted poorly, he batted alright but very slow during the middle part which put added pressure to the blokes coming in like White, Hussey and Smith, his slowish batting at the time forced them to have to play big shots to more balls than they would like to.

He scored at 100SR Australia are going to need scores of more than 300 to beat the better sides a strike rate of 100 wont be enough especially in the middle order where these games will be one or loss. Happened at the last world cup in the sub continent and will happen again.

He was only scoring at about 80SR until the last few overs by then the innings was at a very slow rate. Against Zimbabwe that wes a good innnings against an India, Sri Lanka or SOuth Africa that kind of innings will kill Australia

[mal]

White either bats 3 or 6
At 3 he has excelled when he can pace an innings
At 6 and batting in the late overs he can clear his mind and try and thrash at just about every ball

He looks confused coming in at 4-5
He does not know whether to accumulate or blast
He has to think

He does not work the ball in a risk free fashion ala Michael Clarke for singles
He is prod and push or he winds up and attempts to pulverise
He also generally needs a half a dozen sighters b4 he gets going

On the primary school grounds in India , you need a batsman who can bash into the crowds
His previous game in India v India was
89 not out in 49 balls
That game he wound up and kept smashing
He came in with 13.3 overs to go at 3/160
AU needed quick runs, and he would have been clear minded as to how to bat that innings

In that series v India White was not dismissed for the whole series

B4 this tournament is over, SlamCam will thrill all of us a few times with his batting

[Pup]

I didnt say he batted poorly, he batted alright but very slow during the middle part which put added pressure to the blokes coming in like White, Hussey and Smith, his slowish batting at the time forced them to have to play big shots to more balls than they would like to.

He scored at 100SR Australia are going to need scores of more than 300 to beat the better sides a strike rate of 100 wont be enough especially in the middle order where these games will be one or loss. Happened at the last world cup in the sub continent and will happen again.

He was only scoring at about 80SR until the last few overs by then the innings was at a very slow rate.

How so? White came in only 9 balls after Clarke and was striking at 61 andd looked all at sea? So how did Clarke put pressure on him?

Whats Haddin in the side for? Surely its not to score 29 off 66 balls, He needs to get Australia off to a flyer and then let the middle order consolidate before the flurry at the end from the likes of Hussey, White, Smith and Johnson

[westcoastpanther]

Cam White continues his excellent form.

I guess you've gotta persist with him hoping he finds form, but he looked HORRIBLE out there today.

They've got things the wrong way around. White should be playing tests and Usman the one dayers. White can be a tough customer to get out but he gets into a tangle whenver he tries to go large. How does he get this 'big hitting' reputation.

And What is the go with Brad Haddin? The guy can bat but he's go no brains. He either gets out stupidly playing a shot that isn't on or he gets bogged down and scores 29 off 64 because Punter wants him to 'bat through the innings'. Not an intelligent cricketer at all.

regards,

REB

I reckon you post some excellent stuff mate but i just can not see how you can justify this view? He looks horrible and i know you don't need to look good to be a quality batsman but he gets himself into a awful mess against Quality bowlers. If he is playing test cricket then we are in bigger trouble than i thought!
The Haddin comment i agree with!

Surely we don't have room for him and Smith to fill this role....

[whufc]

White either bats 3 or 6
At 3 he has excelled when he can pace an innings
At 6 and batting in the late overs he can clear his mind and try and thrash at just about every ball

He looks confused coming in at 4-5
He does not know whether to accumulate or blast
He has to think

He does not work the ball in a risk free fashion ala Michael Clarke for singles
He is prod and push or he winds up and attempts to pulverise
He also generally needs a half a dozen sighters b4 he gets going

On the primary school grounds in India , you need a batsman who can bash into the crowds
His previous game in India v India was
89 not out in 49 balls
That game he wound up and kept smashing
He came in with 13.3 overs to go at 3/160
AU needed quick runs, and he would have been clear minded as to how to bat that innings

B4 this tournament is over, SlamCam will thrill all of us a few times with his batting

yeah i would be swapping White and Hussey around, as Hussey showed last night he can score at 100SR from his first ball, these are the blokes that will win you games on the sub continent.

[whufc]

I didnt say he batted poorly, he batted alright but very slow during the middle part which put added pressure to the blokes coming in like White, Hussey and Smith, his slowish batting at the time forced them to have to play big shots to more balls than they would like to.

He scored at 100SR Australia are going to need scores of more than 300 to beat the better sides a strike rate of 100 wont be enough especially in the middle order where these games will be one or loss. Happened at the last world cup in the sub continent and will happen again.

He was only scoring at about 80SR until the last few overs by then the innings was at a very slow rate.

How so? White came in only 9 balls after Clarke and was striking at 61 andd looked all at sea? So how did Clarke put pressure on him?

Whats Haddin in the side for? Surely its not to score 29 off 66 balls, He needs to get Australia off to a flyer and then let the middle order consolidate before the flurry at the end from the likes of Hussey, White, Smith and Johnson

I agree Haddins innings wasnt great but what he and Watson did was set the innings up so the other batters could bat alot more agressively.

I suppose you were happy with the way White and Clarke batted in that power play, that was terrible by both of them. No point taking the power play with Clarke at the crease.

[Footy Smart]

Criticism of Clarke is once again unjustified..... Clarke scoring a run a ball is more important than him coming out and trying to bash it over the fence and getting out.

Hussey, White , Smith and Johnson are in the team for that. Exposing them to early in the innings is what AUS cant afford to do.... and once again Clarke ensured that didn’t happen. To say Clarke batting at a strike rate of under 100 puts pressure on Smith etc is BULLSHITE because they are in the team to finish the innings off with their clean timing and ability to hiot it over the fence. You don’t pick a team with contingencies for failure. You pick a team that is capable of winning. Each person has a role in the team and they must fulfil it.

Also the criticism of the way Australia went about compiling the 260odd is a also unjustified

I thought ZIM actually bowled well and the spinners were hard to get away. The bowled flat into middle and off stump which is hard to get away, doesn’t matter who you are power play or not! The pitch was also typically slow.

Australia’s focus was to post a reasonable score that ensured they had enough to defend. 250 would have been their target!

Australia did what they wanted to do, GET THE WIN! no more no less

[whufc]

Criticism of Clarke is once again unjustified..... Clarke scoring a run a ball is more important than him coming out and trying to bash it over the fence and getting out.

Hussey, White , Smith and Johnson are in the team for that. Exposing them to early in the innings is what AUS cant afford to do.... and once again Clarke ensured that didn’t happen. To say Clarke batting at a strike rate of under 100 puts pressure on Smith etc is BULLSHITE because they are in the team to finish the innings off with their clean timing and ability to hiot it over the fence. You don’t pick a team with contingencies for failure. You pick a team that is capable of winning. Each person has a role in the team and they must fulfil it.

Also the criticism of the way Australia went about compiling the 260odd is a also unjustified

I thought ZIM actually bowled well and the spinners were hard to get away. The bowled flat into middle and off stump which is hard to get away, doesn’t matter who you are power play or not! The pitch was also typically slow.

Australia’s focus was to post a reasonable score that ensured they had enough to defend. 250 would have been their target!

Australia did what they wanted to do, GET THE WIN! no more no less

Thats more my point if we think they were hard to get away wait to we face the likes of Singh, Murali, Vettori, etc etc.

To me in INdia the only batsmen you can carry as an anchor is your number 3, over there your number 4,5,6 need to be able to come in and score at 100SR from ball one against spinners.

Clarke is definalty the most talent batsmen in Aus to do that BUT i think he spends about 25 balls to many before he starts playing his shots, in that period the run rate drops and puts pressure on the other batsmen. Im not realy critising i just dont think that kind of innings will win us games against the good sides including NZ next up.

I would almost prefer to see Clarke go up to number 3 and have Ponting in that middle order.

Power Plays are going to be critical and anything less than 40 in the 5 overs will most likely be below par.

[Footy Smart]

Criticism of Clarke is once again unjustified..... Clarke scoring a run a ball is more important than him coming out and trying to bash it over the fence and getting out.

Hussey, White , Smith and Johnson are in the team for that. Exposing them to early in the innings is what AUS cant afford to do.... and once again Clarke ensured that didn’t happen. To say Clarke batting at a strike rate of under 100 puts pressure on Smith etc is BULLSHITE because they are in the team to finish the innings off with their clean timing and ability to hiot it over the fence. You don’t pick a team with contingencies for failure. You pick a team that is capable of winning. Each person has a role in the team and they must fulfil it.

Also the criticism of the way Australia went about compiling the 260odd is a also unjustified

I thought ZIM actually bowled well and the spinners were hard to get away. The bowled flat into middle and off stump which is hard to get away, doesn’t matter who you are power play or not! The pitch was also typically slow.

Australia’s focus was to post a reasonable score that ensured they had enough to defend. 250 would have been their target!

Australia did what they wanted to do, GET THE WIN! no more no less

Thats more my point if we think they were hard to get away wait to we face the likes of Singh, Murali, Vettori, etc etc.

To me in INdia the only batsmen you can carry as an anchor is your number 3, over there your number 4,5,6 need to be able to come in and score at 100SR from ball one against spinners.

Clarke is definalty the most talent batsmen in Aus to do that BUT i think he spends about 25 balls to many before he starts playing his shots, in that period the run rate drops and puts pressure on the other batsmen. Im not realy critising i just dont think that kind of innings will win us games against the good sides including NZ next up.

I would almost prefer to see Clarke go up to number 3 and have Ponting in that middle order.

Power Plays are going to be critical and anything less than 40 in the 5 overs will most likely be below par.

Although, the aussies are used to facing the more established bowlers and facing bowlers you havent seen can be tough.

I though ZIM for a far less talented team were well drilled and up and about to challenge us.

As for 4,5,6 having to come in and score at over a run a ball from ball one, it depends the make up of the team. Our openers have the ability to score at 100SR and Ponting is coming back into form and can come in at 3 and continue that 100SR. Clarke at 4 is to stop the loss of 2/3 quick wickets and exposing our 100+SR batsmen in White, Hussey, Smith, Johnson!

[Rik E Boy]

I reckon you post some excellent stuff mate but i just can not see how you can justify this view? He looks horrible and i know you don't need to look good to be a quality batsman but he gets himself into a awful mess against Quality bowlers. If he is playing test cricket then we are in bigger trouble than i thought!

The Haddin comment i agree with!

I reckon the reason White looks horrible is because he is trying to belt the bowling all over the place and it doesn't suit him. I reckon he's a solid player who fights hard for his wicket in the longer form of the game. He takes a while to play himself in and during this summer his fighting qualities and experience would have proven themselves to be a valuable commodity. We can't keep carrying Punter at Test Level and White could have been the ticket in the top six this year. I said prior to the Ashes series that Punter was gone (at least at Test level) and Whitey could have been the ticket. Remember that Cam White scored a good century against England in that Hobart match and then he was left on the shelf, only for our top and middle order (Huss aside) to stink up the joint.

regards,

REB

[Grahaml]

Not sure how anyone can say Clarke batted poorly or selfishly. That is just a dumb comment. It's not often you're going to score 300 when you're on 60 after 20 overs. The pitch just doesn't suddenly become a belter you can score 8 an over from the 20th over if batting early is tricky enough to only score at 3 an over.

Watson did well to help recover the situation, Haddin would yet again be disappointed getting a start and failing to get a big score. Ponting looks to be getting some good touch going and Clarke batted particularly well. White and Hussey are worth their spots. They aren't going to come off all the time, but both can add some valuable boundaries at the end.

Also good to see Johnson get amongst it early. Even though it wasn't a top batting lineup, no doubt the confidence from that will hold him in good stead in the later games.

[Jim05]

I have bagged clarkey during the summer for his slow batting but cant fault him on last nights innings. A good solid innings and if he had fallen cheaply we could have been in the shit.

[Grahaml]

I have bagged clarkey during the summer for his slow batting but cant fault him on last nights innings. A good solid innings and if he had fallen cheaply we could have been in the ****.

Exactly. People seem to think that when you criticise or praise someone you automatically have to always do the same thing.

[brod]

FFS
Channell bloody 9 are having a delayed telecast
The game has not finished on Channell bloody 9 as yet

Maybe thats why Ponting smashed the dressing room TV