Australian tour of West Indies 2012

[Lightning McQueen]

Brett Lee is an attacking bowler
His economy rate is higher than most of the greats
But his phenoMenAL strike rate of 29.18 is clearly ahead of the other greats listed
There4 he is perhaps the greatest ODI bowler Australia has ever produced

So going by this logic Mal- Lee taking 4/75 off 10 is better than say Warney taking 2/35 off 10?

Just askin...

The logic is
For every 10 overs the big4 bowlers bowled in a game their stats suggest :
48 LEE
38 LILLEE
38 MCGRATH
42 WARNE

So LEE is more expensive, but to offset this
LEE gets his wickets quicker than the other 3
Quite simply , he removes batsman quicker than the others
The longer a ODI batsman bats for, most times his scoring rate will increase
The logic might be by getting batters out quicker, they had less chances to improve their batting s/rates

The other factor is when I comapre Lillee with Lee [half the name and half as good ]
Lillee bowled in an era when ODI scores and S/Rates of batsman were lower
So Lillee's economy of being 10 better than Lee can be misleading
But for Lee to strike at 29.18 compared to Lillee's 34.88 is quite an effort



Whichever way you look at it
I should have posted
LEE is ""ARGUABLY"" the best ODI bowler this country has produced

I'd like to know the breakdown of what number batsmen Lee has dismissed.

[Lightning McQueen]

lee wont ever get his own statue

Might get a float though.

[mal]

Did Lillee play many against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Kenya, Holland etc? Poor old Dennis had to bowl against competitive teams game after game.

BRETT LEE STRIKE RATES
Against all nations

62.40 ZIMBABWE
38.31 SRI LANKA
36.00 NAMIBIA
30.10 PAKISTAN
30.00 USA
30.00 KENYA
29.60 BANGLADESH
28.60 ENGLAND
28.05 INDIA
27.67 SOUTH AFRICA
26.32 NEW ZEALAND
26.14 WEST INDIES
24.00 SCOTLAND
21.00 ICCA WORLD X1
13.00 CANADA

His strike rate against MOST minnowish teams is above his career strike rate of 29.18

AVERAGE PER WICKET
60.00 ZIMBABWE
32.60 SRI LANKA
26.00 NAMIBIA
25 and below all others

Against all minnowish teams
34 wickets
813 runs
23.91 ave

Bretts overall average is 23.06 against all teams

Bit of a surprise TSG ?

[CoverKing]

Mal I agree with you on this one. Brett Lee is our best ODI bowler ever.

However, he should not be in the side now IMO

[The Sleeping Giant]

Did Lillee play many against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Kenya, Holland etc? Poor old Dennis had to bowl against competitive teams game after game.

BRETT LEE STRIKE RATES
Against all nations

62.40 ZIMBABWE
38.31 SRI LANKA
36.00 NAMIBIA
30.10 PAKISTAN
30.00 USA
30.00 KENYA
29.60 BANGLADESH
28.60 ENGLAND
28.05 INDIA
27.67 SOUTH AFRICA
26.32 NEW ZEALAND
26.14 WEST INDIES
24.00 SCOTLAND
21.00 ICCA WORLD X1
13.00 CANADA

His strike rate against MOST minnowish teams is above his career strike rate of 29.18

AVERAGE PER WICKET
60.00 ZIMBABWE
32.60 SRI LANKA
26.00 NAMIBIA
25 and below all others

Against all minnowish teams
34 wickets
813 runs
23.91 ave

Bretts overall average is 23.06 against all teams

Bit of a surprise TSG ?

Why would I be surprised?

[Booney]

Mal I agree with you on this one. Brett Lee is our best ODI bowler ever.

However, he should not be in the side now IMO

Nathan Bracken pre-injury interuptions?

[CoverKing]

Mal I agree with you on this one. Brett Lee is our best ODI bowler ever.

However, he should not be in the side now IMO

Nathan Bracken pre-injury interuptions?

Could be argued him I guess. Mal is looking at peak, I'm looking at overall career and I think Lee nudges Bracken, not by much though!

[Media Park]

Simon Davis.

[overloaded]

Mal I agree with you on this one. Brett Lee is our best ODI bowler ever.

However, he should not be in the side now IMO

Nathan Bracken pre-injury interuptions?

no bites with that one Booney

[brod]

Mal I agree with you on this one. Brett Lee is our best ODI bowler ever.

However, he should not be in the side now IMO

Id agree with that CK.

Brett Lee was at his ODI peak in between 2002 and 2005.
2002 - 41 wickets @ 18.90
2003 - 46 wickets @ 20.13
2004 - 23 wickets @ 29.43
2005 - 51 wickets @ 19.94
FAST FORWARD
2012 - 20 wickets @ 28.35

[Lightning McQueen]

Mal I agree with you on this one. Brett Lee is our best ODI bowler ever.

However, he should not be in the side now IMO

Nathan Bracken pre-injury interuptions?

Trevor Chappell

[stampy]

mick lewis is a monty!

[brod]

West Indies have released the out-of-form Darren Bravo from the squad for Friday's second Twenty20 in Barbados and called in the Jamaica batsman Danza Hyatt. Bravo has been sent back to domestic cricket in the hope that he can find some form ahead of the three-Test series, and he will play for Trinidad & Tobago this weekend in the Regional Four-Day semi-final.

[brod]

West Indies cricket Board Presidents XI v Australians
First Class Tour Match
Bridgetown, Barbados

AUSTRALIANS WON BY 8 WICKETS

WI XI 201 (were 6/78)
DR Smith 62
JO Holder 49
KOA Powell 42
Extras 16 (next best 7)
RJ Harris 4/23
MA Beer 4/41
Australians 9d/214
PJ Forrest 53*
SR Watson 42
RA Austin 3/43
NE Bonner 3/43
WI XI 98
BW Hilfenhaus 4/8 (7 overs)
NM Lyon 4/17
Australians 2/87

[whufc]

Special watch on Darren Bravo tonight, the bloke is absolute dynamite!!!!

Weather looking pretty good in the region as well for the next few days.

[brod]

Only three members of the Australia squad - Ricky Ponting, Michael Clarke and Michael Hussey - have played Tests in the Caribbean before.

[brod]

West Indies have won the toss and will BAT

West Indies team
AB Barath, KC Brathwaite, KA Edwards, DM Bravo, S Chanderpaul, N Deonarine, DJG Sammy*, CS Baugh†, D Bishoo, FH Edwards, KAJ Roach
Australia team
EJM Cowan, DA Warner, SR Watson, RT Ponting, MJ Clarke*, MEK Hussey, MS Wade†, PM Siddle, RJ Harris, BW Hilfenhaus, NM Lyon

[Squids]

Would rather Pattinson than Harris but whatever.

Going to watch the first session, hopefully we will roll them.

[Media Park]

Not much has been said in the build up, but the post-Gayle (at this stage) era of West Indian batsmen isn't that bad.

Opener Adrian Barath and Kraigg Braithwaite are 21 and 19 respectively, and have done some good things already at the highest level. Solid showings against a resurgent Australian outfit would be amazing for them.

Number three Kirk Edwards is a late bloomer at 27, but his six test matches so far have netted two hundreds and three fifties, and a good showing against Australia may well determine if his Test career spans five more matches, or five more years.

At four is the great hope of the West Indies team, a man compared with BC Lara, 23-year old Darren Bravo, with three hundreds and six fifties in his 13 test career. He was useless in the ODI series, but with luck he will have a good Test series.

Then you hit up number five, and Shivnarine Chanderpaul is still there. 37 years young, 137-Test matches in, and in the first Test scored his 25th Test hundred.