SA v WA - WACA 10 Feb 2010

[bloods08]

How come WA got to bowl 98 overs today? I thought only 96 were required?

[mal]

How come WA got to bowl 98 overs today? I thought only 96 were required?

Yes would be interesting to find out why they got the extra 2 overs

WA declared 9/324 on the overnight total
I wonder what would have happened if debutant Tom Beaton was on 92 not out and not on 72 not out
Would WA have declared ?

[smithy]

Manou is a solid number 7 these days. His average will never reflect it though because his first 50 games he was so ordinary.

O'Brien is so far from a first class 5 it's not funny. I think he's either in for his bowling or not at all. We tried the half a side of all rounders thing with Mark Higgs and Jon Davison back a few years ago. We can manage with Christian at 6 if our number 8 is strong enough. If not, Christian at 7, Manou at 8 and Christian probably has to bowl a bit more.

In the race between 4,5 and 6 against 7,8 and 9 the winner was..... 7,8 and 9 173 to 30 Disgusting. No doubt changes will come. And the selectors will be able to say there aren't too many putting their hand up, coupled with the WC losses of Cooper and Ferguson but a state side just can't manage without more depth than that. But let's stop for a second and think about the batting without Klinger, Blizzard, Christian and O'Brien. Manou would be just about the best home grown bat available right now.

FIX GRADE CRICKET!!!!!! FFS, tear the whole comp apart and start again with 6 or 8 sides. Forget merging etc, just start clubs anew. I realise we'll lose players and people, but in time we'll be better off. The good ones who want to help cricket in the state will stay, while we'll have a more competetive competition that should become more lucritive.

[Grahaml]

How come WA got to bowl 98 overs today? I thought only 96 were required?

Yes would be interesting to find out why they got the extra 2 overs

WA declared 9/324 on the overnight total
I wonder what would have happened if debutant Tom Beaton was on 92 not out and not on 72 not out
Would WA have declared ?

Presumably a good over rate let them get an extra couple overs in.

[Grahaml]

126 needed
COULTER NILE the bowler
1. GEORGE defends
2 GEORGE works the ball to short leg
3 GEORGE leaves the ball go down leg side
4 GEORGE plays and missssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssses outside off
5 GEORGE on off stump and EDGES and caught by VOGES

F.............................................................................K
Lose with one ball remaining

To be honest, we didn't deserve to hold out. Well fought out by the bowlers (well, the bowlers who came in after Manou anyway) and Manou. Had George somehow managed to save the pride of his top and middle order and kept them out I suspect some wallpapering might have been done.

[Jim05]

Yep manou,smith and the bowlers did well to hold out but we didnt deserve to draw, we put in two pathetic batting displays once again. Looks like another wooden spoon to put next to the t20 silverware.
Might have to get a bigger cabinet to hold all our spoons in

[hawks21]

Just result.

Great debut by Lyon, good effort from Smith.

Batting as per normal.

Needs to start turning these 60's into 100's! Is doing all the hard work getting starts and isnt going on with it!

Our batting line up looks terrible without Ferg in at 4 and O'brien is NOT number 5!

[Grahaml]

Just result.

Great debut by Lyon, good effort from Smith.

Batting as per normal.

Needs to start turning these 60's into 100's! Is doing all the hard work getting starts and isnt going on with it!

Our batting line up looks terrible without Ferg in at 4 and O'brien is NOT number 5!

11 scores of 50 or more in 20 matches. Certainly letting himself down in converting 50s to 100s. But at least he's young enough to make us think he might get there. Harris on the other hand....

[redandblack]

Most of our batsmen struggle to score and we're whinging about Smith not turning his 50's into 100's

I'm happy to give him time to work on that.

[Jim05]

Most of our batsmen struggle to score and we're whinging about Smith not turning his 50's into 100's

I'm happy to give him time to work on that.

Too right. If all our top 6 got to 50 regularly we would post some half decent scores

[hawks21]

Most of our batsmen struggle to score and we're whinging about Smith not turning his 50's into 100's

I'm happy to give him time to work on that.

Too right. If all our top 6 got to 50 regularly we would post some half decent scores

Yes agreed!

Don't get me started on the rest of the batting order

[spell_check]

The only way I could find this out is to trawl through the scorecards - when was the last time the top 6 for the Redbacks all made at least 20 with four scores of 50 or more?

[mighty_tiger_79]

The only way I could find this out is to trawl through the scorecards - when was the last time the top 6 for the Redbacks all made at least 20 with four scores of 50 or more?

1995/1996

[Media Park]

If there's a guy who they are confident is going to hang around at the top (i.e. Smith) then it frees up the hitters to do alright, i.e. Christian, rather than everyone trying to hang around for Max to make his hundred...

As keen as I am on Obie and DC, Dan should bat no higher than six at the moment and Obie 8:

HARRIS
SMITH
MAX
FERG
BLIZZ
CHRISTIAN
MANOU
OBRIEN

[Bulls forever]

Manou is a solid number 7 these days. His average will never reflect it though because his first 50 games he was so ordinary.

O'Brien is so far from a first class 5 it's not funny. I think he's either in for his bowling or not at all. We tried the half a side of all rounders thing with Mark Higgs and Jon Davison back a few years ago. We can manage with Christian at 6 if our number 8 is strong enough. If not, Christian at 7, Manou at 8 and Christian probably has to bowl a bit more.

In the race between 4,5 and 6 against 7,8 and 9 the winner was..... 7,8 and 9 173 to 30 Disgusting. No doubt changes will come. And the selectors will be able to say there aren't too many putting their hand up, coupled with the WC losses of Cooper and Ferguson but a state side just can't manage without more depth than that. But let's stop for a second and think about the batting without Klinger, Blizzard, Christian and O'Brien. Manou would be just about the best home grown bat available right now.

FIX GRADE CRICKET!!!!!! FFS, tear the whole comp apart and start again with 6 or 8 sides. Forget merging etc, just start clubs anew. I realise we'll lose players and people, but in time we'll be better off. The good ones who want to help cricket in the state will stay, while we'll have a more competetive competition that should become more lucritive.

Please change the record, this is wearing very thin, I won't go through the whole thing again about the cricket exposure that our contracted players get, suffice to say that Grade Cricket makes up less than 20% of the cricket that they play. Do your research, investigate your facts. This is brought up in every second thread. It will not happen, as for Grade Cricket becoming more lucrative, give me a break.

[spell_check]

The only way I could find this out is to trawl through the scorecards - when was the last time the top 6 for the Redbacks all made at least 20 with four scores of 50 or more?

1995/1996

You guessed!

It was only last season actually, but all that was gained out of the match was first innings points:

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/S ... 55851.html

[mal]

Angle Park Greyhounds
Wednesday
R 5-1 Doc Harris

[Grahaml]

Manou is a solid number 7 these days. His average will never reflect it though because his first 50 games he was so ordinary.

O'Brien is so far from a first class 5 it's not funny. I think he's either in for his bowling or not at all. We tried the half a side of all rounders thing with Mark Higgs and Jon Davison back a few years ago. We can manage with Christian at 6 if our number 8 is strong enough. If not, Christian at 7, Manou at 8 and Christian probably has to bowl a bit more.

In the race between 4,5 and 6 against 7,8 and 9 the winner was..... 7,8 and 9 173 to 30 Disgusting. No doubt changes will come. And the selectors will be able to say there aren't too many putting their hand up, coupled with the WC losses of Cooper and Ferguson but a state side just can't manage without more depth than that. But let's stop for a second and think about the batting without Klinger, Blizzard, Christian and O'Brien. Manou would be just about the best home grown bat available right now.

FIX GRADE CRICKET!!!!!! FFS, tear the whole comp apart and start again with 6 or 8 sides. Forget merging etc, just start clubs anew. I realise we'll lose players and people, but in time we'll be better off. The good ones who want to help cricket in the state will stay, while we'll have a more competetive competition that should become more lucritive.

Please change the record, this is wearing very thin, I won't go through the whole thing again about the cricket exposure that our contracted players get, suffice to say that Grade Cricket makes up less than 20% of the cricket that they play. Do your research, investigate your facts. This is brought up in every second thread. It will not happen, as for Grade Cricket becoming more lucrative, give me a break.

Seems you totally misunderstood what I wrote. The point was that players aren't developing in the grade system because it's too easy to succeed. So the 20% nonsense you talk about is meaningless. Most guys who go on to play state cricket would play several years of grade cricket. In that time they should be learning their game as much as any. A tough grade comp should hold them in reasonable stead for state cricket, just like a tough state cricket comp should hold a guy in good stead for test duties (and it did in many cases over the last 20 years, Hussey, Clark, North just to name a few came on and performed right away).

If you want to convince me that grade cricket in SA produces good state cricketers, how about listing me the best XI to have made their first class debuts in the last 20 years having been brought through the SA grade system? I'm sure if it's a strong enough competition then in 20 years it should have produced us a pretty strong group of cricketers.

[whufc]

The proof that Grade cricket doesnt work is in the results the redbacks have been getting, also how many South Australian born cricketers have played test cricket for Australia in the last 15 years.

-Blewett
-Lehmann
-Gillespie
-Harris (wasnt even close until he moved to Queensland)
-Cullen (a couple of tests)
-George (not many test at all)
-Tait (at a guess less than 15 tests)
-Manou (one maybe 2 tests)

To be perfectly honest there isnt to many in the last 15 years that have missed out but deserved to get a chance ala Lehmann early in his career.

South Australian cricket is 5hite that is a fact that is proven by performance and amount of players to wear the baggy green from SA.

Some people really need to take their rose coloured glasses of and maybe South Australian cricket can then move forward. We are the laughing stock of national sport in Aus and have been for the last 10 ten or so years.

[Grahaml]

The proof that Grade cricket doesnt work is in the results the redbacks have been getting, also how many South Australian born cricketers have played test cricket for Australia in the last 15 years.

-Blewett
-Lehmann
-Gillespie
-Harris (wasnt even close until he moved to Queensland)
-Cullen (a couple of tests)
-George (not many test at all)
-Tait (at a guess less than 15 tests)
-Manou (one maybe 2 tests)

To be perfectly honest there isnt to many in the last 15 years that have missed out but deserved to get a chance ala Lehmann early in his career.

South Australian cricket is 5hite that is a fact that is proven by performance and amount of players to wear the baggy green from SA.

Some people really need to take their rose coloured glasses of and maybe South Australian cricket can then move forward. We are the laughing stock of national sport in Aus and have been for the last 10 ten or so years.

Lehmann was unlucky that his career coincided with Australia having a lot of great middle order bats. Blewett if anything was the opposite, 46 tests with an average of 34.

Tait played 3 tests and really was a bit lucky to get that many.