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It will be interesting to see the referee's and ICC findings on this day.

11 overs short with an extra half hour. I feel Warner accounted for 30 minutes of lost play which they must take into account. That said the South Africans dawdled.

Should a player be allowed to retire due to fatigue?

DOC wrote:It will be interesting to see the referee's and ICC findings on this day.

11 overs short with an extra half hour. I feel Warner accounted for 30 minutes of lost play which they must take into account. That said the South Africans dawdled.

Should a player be allowed to retire due to fatigue?

Not due to fatigue, no.

AB doco on fox/kayo

am Bays wrote:Head to the ball Davy, not point.

Missed out on two fours there

Would have retired on 208 perhaps ?

mal wrote:

am Bays wrote:Head to the ball Davy, not point.

Missed out on two fours there

Would have retired on 208 perhaps ?

Oh mal, I love it.

whufc wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:

whufc wrote:Geez Rabada has been poor. Such a disappointment.

Playing 2nd fiddle to Chuck Norris wouldn’t help his cause, he is slower than him and bowls without purpose.

He’s been so good all year though and then turned to puss over here.

Yep had a super 2022, equal most wickets with Jack Leach in 5 less matches, 46 wickets in 9 matches @21.65 and SR of just 33.6 is crazy good.

Hard to be a bowler when your team can't produce winning scores.

whufc wrote:

batmanbegins wrote:

whufc wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:[quote="stampy"]well davey made a lot of us eat humble pie

I’ve never doubted his ability, I just don’t really like the bloke.

His talent should see him leave the game when he decides to.

Agree

As a batsmen his amongst the greats…..can’t stand the bloke and think there is a fair chance once he retires and reveals all we might have even more reason to dislike him.

I have an immense dislike for Warner so I'm biased and have always argued he can't be considered great due to his overseas average of 34. However it is hard to argue he's not one of the great openers with 25 test tons and the rate with which he scored made a huge difference.

Yeah happy to concede on ‘great’ but in our top 3 openers ever.

For mine Taylor and Hayden comfortable ahead of him due to their overseas record

Warner at third and then a distance to the likes of Slater, Langer.

Ps Lawry probably sits alongside Warner as well[/quote]
I know he didn't start as an opener but Langers overall record is pretty even with Taylors even his away record.
Hayden is definitely number one.

Warner is the 10th player to score a hundred in his 100th test and now has the second highest score of a player playing in his 100th test, Joe Root with 218 has the highest.

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:

DOC wrote:It will be interesting to see the referee's and ICC findings on this day.

11 overs short with an extra half hour. I feel Warner accounted for 30 minutes of lost play which they must take into account. That said the South Africans dawdled.

Should a player be allowed to retire due to fatigue?

Not due to fatigue, no.

Law states Illness or Injury so if you tell the umpire your'e feeling ill, who are they to question you ?
Is fatigue an illness ? Probably not in the spirit of cricket to RH for that reason but how can an umpire adjudge whether you're ill or not ?

DOC wrote:It will be interesting to see the referee's and ICC findings on this day.

11 overs short with an extra half hour. I feel Warner accounted for 30 minutes of lost play which they must take into account. That said the South Africans dawdled.

Should a player be allowed to retire due to fatigue?

Warner loosened his gloves after every ball, the spinner waited for him every ball, even the pacemen did on several occasions, I would hate to seem the Saffers get punished for it.

jackpot jim wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:

DOC wrote:It will be interesting to see the referee's and ICC findings on this day.

11 overs short with an extra half hour. I feel Warner accounted for 30 minutes of lost play which they must take into account. That said the South Africans dawdled.

Should a player be allowed to retire due to fatigue?

Not due to fatigue, no.

Law states Illness or Injury so if you tell the umpire your'e feeling ill, who are they to question you ?
Is fatigue an illness ? Probably not in the spirit of cricket to RH for that reason but how can an umpire adjudge whether you're ill or not ?

Not sure fatigue is an illness. Happy to stand corrected.
As a former ump I'd judge that he is ill, but not not on this occasion.

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:AB doco on fox/kayo

on who/what?

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:

DOC wrote:It will be interesting to see the referee's and ICC findings on this day.

11 overs short with an extra half hour. I feel Warner accounted for 30 minutes of lost play which they must take into account. That said the South Africans dawdled.

Should a player be allowed to retire due to fatigue?

Not due to fatigue, no.

It’s a duty of care, if the umpire refused him to retire hurt he is responsible for any consequences.

stampy wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:AB doco on fox/kayo

on who/what?

AB

DOC wrote:It will be interesting to see the referee's and ICC findings on this day.

11 overs short with an extra half hour. I feel Warner accounted for 30 minutes of lost play which they must take into account. That said the South Africans dawdled.

Should a player be allowed to retire due to fatigue?

Interesting indeed DOC.
30 mins of lost play would basically work out to be 7 and a half overs meaning 11 overs short could become 3/4 overs short.

I was thinking about this during the final session when it was clear they were going to fall well short.

I’m happy to give them an over per session for the heat generally. 37 is very hot, especially for Melbourne so some leeway is fine.
Warner’s concussion protocol early in the day, 7 minutes, call it two overs.
Green’s finger then retirement, another over.
Warner’s cramping two long breaks, 2 overs each, 4 total.

That’s 10 overs.

I’m not convinced they should get much else.
I mean it’s not like 15 wickets fell slowing the day up or like England smashing 500 runs in a day.

Sure there were a few extra informal drinks breaks, but these take like 30 seconds extra to a normal change of ends between overs anyway. So even if you said there were 20 of them, that’s only 10 minutes; and the players get an extra half an hour anyway.

I think the ICC has to say they were at least 1 over down after allocations.
Let’s see where it lands.

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:

stampy wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:AB doco on fox/kayo

on who/what?

AB

derr me

stampy wrote:

rd wrote:I too miss the matches between the touring side and the state teams prior to the first Test. When I was a teenager the touring team often arrived in Adelaide in late October and then played SA, VIC, NSW and QLD in the 4 weeks leading up to the first Test at the Gabba - so all members of the touring party played generally 2-3 games. Meanwhile the Australian players were playing at least 3 Shield games for their respective states as well - so there were no excuses for any players in either side involved in the 1st Test to be rusty or out of form. So there was a huge build up in excitement by the time we got to late November for the Gabba Test, especially if the touring team had beaten the state teams in their tour matches along the way. These days the touring team is ripe to be slaughtered at the Gabba due to no sensible preparation at all as players are involved in meaningless T20s or ODI around the world through November and jet into Brisbane seemingly 5 minutes before the 1st Test coin toss. No wonder Warney always cleaned up at the Gabba !!

from sometime in the 70s touring teams would land in perth and get smacked by WA first up

Yes WA had a great record against the touring teams during the 70s. In my earlier post I described how touring teams would play 4 Aust states prior to the 1st Test in Brisbane. They would then play WA and the 2nd Test in Perth. In modern times I would then play the 3rd Test in Adelaide the week after the 2nd Test and then send the touring team to play Tassie after the 3rd Test - we're at the 3rd week of December by this stage. Then play the 4th and 5th Tests in Melb and Sydney as per usual scheduling. The touring team has then played all 6 Aust states and 5 Test matches and been given every chance to acclimatise to Aust conditions. I would then add the touring team as a 9th team to the BBL. Currently 8 BBL teams play 14 games each - I would have 9 BBL teams playing 8 games each - reduces the BBL from 56 games to 36 games and removes many meaningless contests. Imagine India or Pakistan playing the 8 BBL teams through January with their fans snapping up all tickets. So there's a lot of money to be made for CA and the touring team. And all Aussie players would be free to play for their BBL teams as well and the BBL could still be wrapped up by the first week of February as usual. There's been a precedent of international teams playing in Aust domestic comps in the past - the early years of the Australian states one day comp in the 1970s included New Zealand.

Went to turn my Warner 100 bet into a Carey 100 bet but couldn't find anywhere on Sportsbet or Betr....anyone know who is offering it.

A cooked bowling attack on a decent wicket, with pretty much the entire day to bat, this is going to be his best chance. He's batting has been pretty decent of late and being out there with Head will be helpful.

The Dark Knight wrote:

whufc wrote:

batmanbegins wrote:I have an immense dislike for Warner so I'm biased and have always argued he can't be considered great due to his overseas average of 34. However it is hard to argue he's not one of the great openers with 25 test tons and the rate with which he scored made a huge difference.

Yeah happy to concede on ‘great’ but in our top 3 openers ever.

For mine Taylor and Hayden comfortable ahead of him due to their overseas record

Warner at third and then a distance to the likes of Slater, Langer.

Ps Lawry probably sits alongside Warner as well

I know he didn't start as an opener but Langers overall record is pretty even with Taylors even his away record.
Hayden is definitely number one.

Warner is the 10th player to score a hundred in his 100th test and now has the second highest score of a player playing in his 100th test, Joe Root with 218 has the highest.

Lawry and Simpson are above Warner average wise (just)

retiring hurt yesterday means Warner now sits above Morris in average

Don’t get me wrong Warner has had a career, one of the best but as BB pointed out the disparity between his home and overseas form counts against him.

In my all time ASHES touring 17, I’m taking Lawry, Hayden and Simpson

Cameron Green has a broken right index finger, he won't bowl in SA's second innings in this current match and will miss the Sydney Test and the BBL to recover for the India tour.