How many 20/20's and 50 overs should they play ?- options

[Booney]

Would it bother you if kids were being drawn to the game because of T20?

No, but if those kids grow into young players that can't do more than slog for five or six overs then game is in even worse condition as if teeball wasn't invented. If the generation of players can adapt to the longer form of the game then I believe that teeball can be of benefit to the game. However, the same thing that has killed the 50 over Goose will eventaully kill the Teeball Turkey. What next ten-ten games?

It's here to stay...until people get sick of it. Let's just hope that the real game of cricket itself survives this flirtation with hit and giggle. Strangely, I find myself enjoying 50 over cricket again for the first time in many years.

regards,

REB

Exaclty. Dave Warner leading the way at elite level. Played T20 for Australia before a first class game for NSW IIRC? Can you imagine the amount of kids who now tell big brother in the back yard that 6 is not out and to go get it so I can belt it over the fence again.

Lets hope the craft of building an innings ( as a batsman on your own not as a collective ) is not lost to the game.

[mal]

11/11 cricket will be the game of the future
Each batsman to face 1 ball each
Each player to bowl one ball each, including the keeper
We could have a carnival over a Saturday/Sunday with all 6 states involved
An average player who gets 1/0[1]
Or an average player who scores 6 [1]
would be considered one hit wonders

[Hondo]

Can you imagine the amount of kids who now tell big brother in the back yard that 6 is not out and to go get it so I can belt it over the fence again.

Booney, what sort of backyard cricket did you play? That sounds like every single game of backyard cricket I ever played!

Every kids wants to smash it over the fence / no kid "builds" innings in the backyard

That's normal kid behaviour.

Remember too that Dave Warner learned his game before T20 was invented so he isn't a by-product of a kid stained by exposure to T20 at a young age.

I think you and REB are reading way too many serious implications into a version of the game most of us are just enjoying for what it is.

[Rik E Boy]

Can you imagine the amount of kids who now tell big brother in the back yard that 6 is not out and to go get it so I can belt it over the fence again.

Booney, what sort of backyard cricket did you play? That sounds like every single game of backyard cricket I ever played!

Every kids wants to smash it over the fence / no kid "builds" innings in the backyard

That's normal kid behaviour.

Remember too that Dave Warner learned his game before T20 was invented so he isn't a by-product of a kid stained by exposure to T20 at a young age.

I think you and REB are reading way too many serious implications into a version of the game most of us are just enjoying for what it is.

LOL. Every kid wants to bat. Every kid wants to play cricket. That is why if you hit it over the fence you are out - cos if you lose the ball it's game over! So kid gets a subconcious lesson in building an innings...to the kid of course, he is just having a bat.

Dave Warner might not be a product of T-20 but he makes a darn good prototype.

regards,

REB

[Hondo]

In my experience (I am talking age < 10 by the way) "building an innings" lasted about 12 balls until the lure of the fence became too great! No one kid was allowed to spend 45 minutes building an innings because by that time everyone else had got bored and left the game.

If we think kids slogging in the backyard is bad then something is wrong and it's not with t20!

I think we sell our kids short if we think the really talented ones can't work out the difference in the forms of the game and will blindly throw their wickets away slogging when they get into club cricket.

[smac]

I know of many cricketers (State and International) whose strengths were formed in the backyard - can't hit a cover drive because it would have smashed into Mum's prize roses, superb leg glance because there was a side path down the house that scored good runs etc etc.

It always has and always will be the forming of a cricketers style. The coaching provided will determine how well they progress.

[rod_rooster]

In my experience (I am talking age < 10 by the way) "building an innings" lasted about 12 balls until the lure of the fence became too great! No one kid was allowed to spend 45 minutes building an innings because by that time everyone else had got bored and left the game.

If we think kids slogging in the backyard is bad then something is wrong and it's not with t20!

I think we sell our kids short if we think the really talented ones can't work out the difference in the forms of the game and will blindly throw their wickets away slogging when they get into club cricket.

Umar Akmal. He's got further than club cricket due to stupendous talent yet he still has no idea how to actually bat. Sure he can play every shot you can imagine but not for very long.

[Hondo]

Is that T20's fault Rod? Or his own? Or his coaches? Or the standard of domestic cricket comps in Pakistan?

I'd say a combination of the last 3 and nothing to do with T20 seeing as, like Dave Warner, T20 wasn't invented when he was growing up.

The debate was the claim that the kids playing T20 will, as a result, not be able to build innings when they are grown up. I think that's a real stretch seeing as "T50" didn't breed out a generation of test cricketers in Australia.

[rod_rooster]

Is that T20's fault Rod? Or his own? Or his coaches? Or the standard of domestic cricket comps in Pakistan?

I'd say a combination of the last 3 and nothing to do with T20 seeing as, like Dave Warner, T20 wasn't invented when he was growing up.

The debate was the claim that the kids playing T20 will, as a result, not be able to build innings when they are grown up. I think that's a real stretch seeing as "T50" didn't breed out a generation of test cricketers in Australia.

Firstly "T50"? WTF is that? Secondly you use Dave Warner as an example. The guy is not a first class cricketers ar5ehole and he and the selectors know it. He is being glorifield due to hitting a few sixes i assume but show me an innings of substance. Oh that right he isn't deemed good enought to play first class cricket for his state.

It's such a shame that aanyone could regard Dave Warner as a better cricketer than a bloke actually playing first class cricket. Warner has a good eye but in a game of real cricket he has very little value.

[Hondo]

I am not using Dave Warner as an example of anything Rod. I am not sure what you are even arguing with me about?

You talk like I'm some sort of huge Dave Warner fan why has this thread become about Dave Warner?

"T50" is just my "made up in that post" code for 50 over cricket. I don't really know what the official short hand code for 50 over cricket is. You know what I meant anyway.

[rod_rooster]

I am not using Dave Warner as an example of anything Rod. I am not sure what you are even arguing with me about?

You talk like I'm some sort of huge Dave Warner fan why has this thread become about Dave Warner?

"T50" is just my "made up in that post" code for 50 over cricket. I don't really know what the official short hand code for 50 over cricket is. You know what I meant anyway.

Nice that you reply but you don't actually say anything that backs up your argument. "T50"?? Honestly if that is what the mentality of the average cricket supporter is then god help our game.

[Hondo]

What argument do you think I am making Rod and that I am now trying to avoid?

You are arguing for the sake of arguing I think and making a huge issue out of T50 which was just a throwaway 3 keyboard strokes.

If you are going to chime into a debate late in the piece at least read all the posts leading up to it. I don't think even you know what you are arguing about

[Rik E Boy]

It's all teeballs' fault that we are now fighting.

regards,

REB

[Hondo]

Rod, I am happy to call it quits if you are. I don't think we are on the same page and I have possibly misunderstood Booney to start this whole thing.

There, it's Booney's fault

[Lightning McQueen]

I am not using Dave Warner as an example of anything Rod. I am not sure what you are even arguing with me about?

You talk like I'm some sort of huge Dave Warner fan why has this thread become about Dave Warner?

"T50" is just my "made up in that post" code for 50 over cricket. I don't really know what the official short hand code for 50 over cricket is. You know what I meant anyway.

F50

[Hondo]

Yeah, I was thinking about that LM!

It's either 50-50 or F50 (you can't say ODI because not every 50 over game is an International game).

Although I think either would offend the purists

[CoverKing]

Maybe ODD and ODI hondo??

[mal]

EDITORIAL


A few decades ago some purists were saying that 50 over cricket would severely affect real cricket
Batsmans techiniques were said to have been badly affected by some
Back then they called it Pyjama Cricket
5 decades later if anything, 50 over cricket has prob improved the abilty of some Test cricket teams to score at a faster rate
Whether its 250 or 350 in a days play in Test cricket its entertaining either way

I remember the doomists, some were my mates I played cricket with
They would not go to the Gillette Cup Domestic games, or the ODIs back then

The shit hit the fan when Mr Packer had his bizzare cricket series
The traditionists were in full vocal critique
It was the end of cricket I seem to recall
I didnt like the idea of Packer stuffing up my precious AU Test team, but it was still cricket

What now
We have 50 over World Cups since about 1975
We have 50 over under 19 world championships currently on

Im now seeing the same being said about 20/20 cricket
We have the big 3 of SAFOOTY the REBS/HAWKS/RODROOSTERS who are up in arms
Cant blame them one iota for being dead set against 20/20
Its thier perogative they love Test cricket, they hate the thought of thier precious Test games being admonished
The people that enjoy 20/20 will post against the big 3, they think the big 3 are over re-acting
The 20/20 fan club will argue that people are voting with thier feet [record crowds]

SUMMARY
Me loves any form of cricket equally
Im not overly concerned what 20.20 is doing on the field
But I am concerned what its doing off the field
Good cricketers giving up aspertions of being Test cricketers are formatting themselves on being 20/20 speciallists
Also good experienced cricketers in the twilight of their careers turn thier backs on thier SS teams to play IPL
When those players do that[some purely money hungry], it makes me align myself with the big 3