Sheffield Shield Placings

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Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby spell_check » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:09 pm

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Western Australia only played 4 matches between 1947/48 and 1953/54.
This was a "probationary" period for them, and to compensate for having played 3 less matches than the other 4 states, the points for all states were worked out on a percentage basis - (points/possible points)*100
I don't know why the 1954/55 season had teams only playing each other once (and WA just two matches), but in 1955/56, WA had their first full home and away program.
Tasmania only played 5 matches per season between 1977/78 and 1981/82. Again, this was a "probationary" period for them, but this time to compensate less matches than the other 5 states, their points was multiplied by 9 and divided by 5.
Final at the end of the home and away season first implemented in 1982/83.
Tasmanias' first season of a full home and away program was in 1982/83.
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby spell_check » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:16 pm

Shields - all time
NSW: 45
Vic: 26
WA: 15
SA: 13
Qld: 6
Tas: 1

Shields - since 1926/27
NSW: 28
Vic: 16
WA: 15
SA: 10
Qld: 6
Tas: 1

Shields - since 1946/47
NSW: 23
WA: 15
Vic: 9
SA: 7
Qld: 6
Tas: 1

Shields - since 1977/78
NSW: 9
WA: 9
Qld: 6
Vic: 4
SA: 2
Tas: 1

Spoons - all time:
SA: 42
Qld: 23
Vic: 16
Tas: 12
NSW: 9
WA: 5

Spoons - since 1926/27:
Qld: 23
SA: 21
Tas: 12
Vic: 9
NSW: 7
WA: 5

Spoons - since 1947/48:
SA: 18
Tas: 12
Qld: 12
Vic: 9
NSW: 6
WA: 5

Spoons - since 1977/78:
Tas: 12
Vic: 7
SA: 6
NSW: 5
Qld: 2
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby brod » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:21 pm

When SA have been bad they have been BAD for YEARS
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby heater31 » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:24 pm

brod wrote:When SA have been bad they have been BAD for YEARS



Didn't help that we collected a fair few spoons in the early years
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby spell_check » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:25 pm

brod wrote:When SA have been bad they have been BAD for YEARS


In the last six seasons, there has been a pattern for SA:
6th, 5th, 3rd, 6th, 5th, 3rd

In that promising season of 2005/06, who could have thought 2006/07 would turn out like it did. It's time for at the very least a finals berth next season, and really, anything less is unacceptable.
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby smithy » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:31 pm

heater31 wrote:
brod wrote:When SA have been bad they have been BAD for YEARS



Didn't help that we collected a fair few spoons in the early years


spell_check wrote:Spoons - since 1947/48:
SA: 18
Tas: 12
Qld: 12
Vic: 9
NSW: 6
WA: 5



Whichever way you look at it, cricket in this state has sucked for years.

If you want to look at the "earlier years" it was also an opportunity to boost our winners tally.
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby spell_check » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:35 pm

Queensland for a long time were the same. In fact, their whole history looks a bit like Centrals does - no flags for a long time, plenty of finals losses, then they all come in a rush.
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby smithy » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:37 pm

On that theory Spelly, I'd say that SACA has been exactly like SAFC. :lol:

Crap forever :lol:
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby spell_check » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:41 pm

smithy wrote:On that theory Spelly, I'd say that SACA has been exactly like SAFC. :lol:

Crap forever :lol:


And I'm hoping we don't have the same run that South did between 2006/07 - promising 2006, dismal 2007. That happened to the Redbacks in the same timespan anyway.
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby spell_check » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:48 pm

Another observation (this will change next weekend, barring a major upset), Victoria has only won two Shields since 1980/81, like SA.
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby brod » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:51 pm

You have to go back to the 1800s to have Victoria win and NSW last, yet Quensland have won thrice in the last ten years with NSW last
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby spell_check » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:07 am

brod wrote:You have to go back to the 1800s to have Victoria win and NSW last, yet Quensland have won thrice in the last ten years with NSW last


And the last three seasons we have won the title, Victoria has finished last.
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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:26 am

Well it's a spoon for us but still there are plenty of positives overall. It was always going to be tough losing the Kat and at times our lineup was unrecognisable. The weather robbed us of victory against the Worriers but we've yet again produced the latest wonderboy of Australian Cricket.

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Re: Sheffield Shield Placings

Postby spell_check » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:56 pm

By adding up the positions of each side at the end of the season and dividing that by the total number of positions we can work out the following:

Example:
One side finishes 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 5th, 5th, 3rd over a 6 year period. This amounts to a total of 19.
Now in a six team competition that is a total of 36 - 6 placings per season times no. of seasons.
19/36 equals 0.53.

This is each side:
NSW: 0.49
WA: 0.55
Vic: 0.56
SA: 0.71
Qld: 0.74
Tas: 0.75

So Queensland still hasn't quite caught up to SA yet after 62 seasons without a Shield win.

However SA leads the way when it comes to average seasons between wooden spoons:
SA: 2.5
Tas: 2.7
Qld: 3.3
Vic: 6.7
NSW: 11.9
WA: 12.4

And for the average no. of years between Shields:
NSW: 2.4
Vic: 4.12
WA: 4.13
SA: 8.2
Qld: 12.8
Tas: 32.0
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