ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby rod_rooster » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:27 am

Pidge wrote:
As much as everyone rates Hughes on here, you dont want to throw him into it and get him playing Limited over and Test Match Cricket. It may be detrimental to his game. Let him find his feet in the test side first.

As for an All-Rounder, Harris is good, but my prefferred option would be Noffke. He is the unluckiest person to have not played more matches for Australia. Same can be said for Brad Hodge.

I would like to see a one-day side of this in the future, even though it wont happen.

Katich
Hodge
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Noffke
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Bracken
Hilfenhaus / Tait


You are probably right with Hughes. Let him get comfortable in the format that matters before exposing him to limited overs stuff that doesn't mean much.

Noffke isn't good enough with the bat to bat at 6.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby Pidge » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:41 am

rod_rooster wrote:
Pidge wrote:
As much as everyone rates Hughes on here, you dont want to throw him into it and get him playing Limited over and Test Match Cricket. It may be detrimental to his game. Let him find his feet in the test side first.

As for an All-Rounder, Harris is good, but my prefferred option would be Noffke. He is the unluckiest person to have not played more matches for Australia. Same can be said for Brad Hodge.

I would like to see a one-day side of this in the future, even though it wont happen.

Katich
Hodge
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Noffke
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Bracken
Hilfenhaus / Tait


You are probably right with Hughes. Let him get comfortable in the format that matters before exposing him to limited overs stuff that doesn't mean much.

Noffke isn't good enough with the bat to bat at 6.


Good point, but Haddin isnt good enough to bat at 6 IMO. Marcus North?
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby NFC » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:49 am

Yeh fair call on Hughes actually.

Adam Voges is a better ODD player than North in my books. I think Ferg could make the #5 spot his though, if he gets a chance.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby smithy » Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:00 am

Fair to say that the past 2 games have the been the tamest by australian teams for 20 years.

Warner - amidst all the hype of his 20/20 performance is more miss than hit.

Hussey Dave - Could be another Hodge,, just not up to international standard, and do they bowl him just to get through the overs quick???????? cause his bowling sux

White - yet to see his renowned "slogging" ability at ODI level, and they can't trust him to bowl either.

Clarke and huss mike, whilst putting on a good partnership, couldnt put together a match winning ODI innings.
Both struggled big time to hit the ropes and in the end it cost us the game.

7 wickets in hand during power play and these guys just weren't taking risks.

I'd go as far to say that Mike Hussey just isn't suited to ODI cricket and should be dropped.
anyone can play that bevan type red ink role, at the moment australia need someone to try and take apart a game of cricket, not work the ball around for 20 overs.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby Pidge » Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:19 am

smithy wrote:Fair to say that the past 2 games have the been the tamest by australian teams for 20 years.

Warner - amidst all the hype of his 20/20 performance is more miss than hit.

Hussey Dave - Could be another Hodge,, just not up to international standard, and do they bowl him just to get through the overs quick???????? cause his bowling sux

White - yet to see his renowned "slogging" ability at ODI level, and they can't trust him to bowl either.

Clarke and huss mike, whilst putting on a good partnership, couldnt put together a match winning ODI innings.
Both struggled big time to hit the ropes and in the end it cost us the game.

7 wickets in hand during power play and these guys just weren't taking risks.

I'd go as far to say that Mike Hussey just isn't suited to ODI cricket and should be dropped.
anyone can play that bevan type red ink role, at the moment australia need someone to try and take apart a game of cricket, not work the ball around for 20 overs.


I think Hodge is up to International standard. He hit an unbeaten double century in a test from memory.

Dave Hussey is struggling at the current time. Maybe give him a break and bring in Voges or North

Play Ferguson next game. Bat him at 5. Keep him at 5

I dont know why White is still in the team. No good. Average player.

Hopes doesnt get used as much as he should. The guy can bat.

Warner is a one-hit wonder. Wouldnt be surprised if Hughes turns out the same.

If we need an all-rounder bring in Noffke.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby Rik E Boy » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:28 am

rod_rooster wrote:This is just getting embarrassing now. Surely the selectors need to acknowledge they have got a number of things wrong. Warner should never have played. Sure give him a go in the 20/20 garbage but FFS the guy is simply not up to playing in a game where the bowler has even the slightest hint of a chance. Surely Haddin's chances are running out. I am not so fussed with his terrible batting because his job is to keep wickets but his keeping has been very ordinary for a long time now. He is showing no sign of improvement and that's a real worry. Why rest Ponting? He is our captain and our best batsman. He didn't want to rest and forcing him to is showing disrespect to the opposition. Losing is exactly what Australia deserved. David Hussey has struggled and as much as i think he could be a star at international level his form of late does not warrant a spot in the side. Cameron White is currently a liability. He simply should never ever bowl. He is just no good whatsoever at it and his batting is nowhere near good enough to justify a place on that alone.

Get the Kat in there asap, same with Hughes. Time to pick the best cricketers not guys who can hit a couple of quick 60's in teeball. Players who know how to pace an innings, how to lift the tempo when required and who can bat for more than 45 minutes are needed. As for the bowling there isn't really much choice at the moment. Get Clark and Lee fit and it would make a difference. Finally get rid of Haddin until his keeping is good enough again. There is a bloke called Tim Paine who is currently a far far superior player both with gloves and bat. Stop wasting time with a guy who whilst i rate, is currently so out of form it is becoming a farce.


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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby wycbloods » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:08 am

With the way Haddin is going i really question the decision to bat him at 3 and Ferg at 7 :shock: . Ferg is in the form of his life and he should have been given the opportunity, whilst punter is resting, to show us what he can do. We know what Haddin is capable of and atm he is that far out of touch he can't do it, so leave him at 7 to have slog for 10-15 balls at the end of the innings.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby norm11 » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:13 am

Klinger in at three or four
Back to the creek it is.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby FlyingHigh » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:30 am

rod_rooster wrote:This is just getting embarrassing now. Surely the selectors need to acknowledge they have got a number of things wrong. Warner should never have played. Sure give him a go in the 20/20 garbage but FFS the guy is simply not up to playing in a game where the bowler has even the slightest hint of a chance. Surely Haddin's chances are running out. I am not so fussed with his terrible batting because his job is to keep wickets but his keeping has been very ordinary for a long time now. He is showing no sign of improvement and that's a real worry. Why rest Ponting? He is our captain and our best batsman. He didn't want to rest and forcing him to is showing disrespect to the opposition. Losing is exactly what Australia deserved. David Hussey has struggled and as much as i think he could be a star at international level his form of late does not warrant a spot in the side. Cameron White is currently a liability. He simply should never ever bowl. He is just no good whatsoever at it and his batting is nowhere near good enough to justify a place on that alone.

Get the Kat in there asap, same with Hughes. Time to pick the best cricketers not guys who can hit a couple of quick 60's in teeball. Players who know how to pace an innings, how to lift the tempo when required and who can bat for more than 45 minutes are needed. As for the bowling there isn't really much choice at the moment. Get Clark and Lee fit and it would make a difference. Finally get rid of Haddin until his keeping is good enough again. There is a bloke called Tim Paine who is currently a far far superior player both with gloves and bat. Stop wasting time with a guy who whilst i rate, is currently so out of form it is becoming a farce.


Only thing I would argue with your post RR would be resting Ponting. When you look at the amount of cricket that has been played, and coming up, I think it had to be done. However, it was done for the wrong matches. Why not rest him last weekend, South African series was already decided, and it would have only been one match out of the NZ series. Now we are 2-nill down, and facing the next game without him. It is now imperative that he plays. If he is not rushed back in for tomorrow's game, like you say is disrespecftul to the opportition, but also to the concept of the series.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby Mic » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:46 am

I think Warner, Dave Hussey, Hilfenhaus and Tait (who is a waste of time with all his injuries) should be dropped.

I didn't see the game, why did we only lose 5 wickets?
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby catchisthecry » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:54 am

Our "leaders" Hussey and Clarke batting for their avreages rather than for the side.
Disgraceful effort, don't waste the teams/countries time trying to find form in the middle of a batting powerplay. Should have stepped on their stumps so a young bloke in form, Ferg, could've attacked the ropes.
Clarke's popularity must surely be on the way down with his on (yesterday and other ODI inns.) and off field exploits (fight over seein Lara, the $1m price tag) of recent times.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:27 pm

catchisthecry wrote:Our "leaders" Hussey and Clarke batting for their avreages rather than for the side.


You don't think they realise the Aussie batting line up is a brittle one and know they need to bat at least 35-40 overs in order for Australia to make a score, thus minimizing their risk taking potential?

Get rid of that clown Warner and pick an opener who can actually bat, That may alter Clarke and Hussey's approach to their innings.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby rod_rooster » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:31 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
catchisthecry wrote:Our "leaders" Hussey and Clarke batting for their avreages rather than for the side.


You don't think they realise the Aussie batting line up is a brittle one and know they need to bat at least 35-40 overs in order for Australia to make a score, thus minimizing their risk taking potential?

Get rid of that clown Warner and pick an opener who can actually bat, That may alter Clarke and Hussey's approach to their innings.


Finally some sense. Well said AH.
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby Goldberg » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:38 pm

Is it going un-noticed that Roy should be in this side or not?? The guy is that match winner, & lets be honest here, what life shattering thing has he really done?? Went fishing, with some rellies, after an extensive 6 month period where he was away for most of it, & we were playing a minnow at the time. Then he tells A, the truth on a radio interview B, Just his personnal opinion which he was asked for. Political correctness could become the demise of one of the most promising Cricketers Australia has.

It make me sick to the core. Yes the bloke has some stuff to sort out, but I can guarentee you, one of the places he would feel most at ease right now is in the middle of the MCG
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby am Bays » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:54 pm

Goldberg wrote:Is it going un-noticed that Roy should be in this side or not?? The guy is that match winner, & lets be honest here, what life shattering thing has he really done??


you mean like not make a run???
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby Ned » Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:31 pm

I have said all along that the selectors are a joke at the moment, playing for Australia you have to pick your best side no questions asked, dont worry bout age, you are playing for your country the best eleven must take the field.

Australias Best Eleven At Moment

Katich
Hughes
Ponting
Clarke
North
McDonald
Haddin
Noffke
Harris
Bracken
McGain


12th M.Hussey
13th Hifenhaus
14th Hodge
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby catchisthecry » Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:03 pm

Mate, you can't say the selectors are a joke and then go and pick a side like that :oops:
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Re: ODI - Aus V NZ at the MCG

Postby catchisthecry » Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:18 pm

Ned wrote:I have said all along that the selectors are a joke at the moment, playing for Australia you have to pick your best side no questions asked, dont worry bout age, you are playing for your country the best eleven must take the field.

Australias Best Eleven At Moment

Katich
Hughes
Ponting
Clarke
North
McDonald
Haddin
Noffke
Harris
Bracken
McGain


12th M.Hussey
13th Hifenhaus
14th Hodge


Most runs
Ford Ranger Cup, 2008/09

Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
LA Carseldine 8 8 0 455 126 56.87 541 84.10 2 2 1 38 3
(Queensland)
CJ Ferguson 8 8 0 391 101 48.87 407 96.06 1 3 0 31 4
(South Australia)
MG Dighton 9* 9 0 384 95 42.66 422 90.99 0 4 2 45 2
(Tasmania)
TR Birt 9* 8 2 371 94 61.83 313 118.53 0 4 0 21 17
(Tasmania)
M Klinger 8 8 1 370 133* 52.85 504 73.41 1 3 0 27 5
(South Australia)
DA Warner 7 7 1 343 165* 57.16 256 133.98 1 1 1 39 14
(New South Wales)
RJ Quiney 8* 7 0 316 92 45.14 317 99.68 0 2 0 40 4
(Victoria)
DJ Marsh 9* 8 1 312 76* 44.57 408 76.47 0 5 0 22 3
(Tasmania)
AC Voges 8 8 1 311 104* 44.42 450 69.11 1 2 0 20 2
(Western Australia)
CJL Rogers 8* 7 0 304 75 43.42 380 80.00 0 3 0 35 0
(Victoria)

Most wickets

Ford Ranger Cup, 2008/09

Player Mat Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5
AC Bird 8 74.0 3 415 20 5/26 20.75 5.60 22.2 2 1
(New South Wales)
SM Harwood 7* 62.3 3 252 17 5/41 14.82 4.03 22.0 1 1
(Victoria)
B Laughlin 8 50.0 4 236 15 6/23 15.73 4.72 20.0 1 1
(Queensland)
BR Dorey 8 65.2 3 325 13 5/48 25.00 4.97 30.1 0 1
(Western Australia)
BG Drew 8 64.0 2 384 13 2/34 29.53 6.00 29.5 0 0
(Tasmania)
B Geeves 7* 49.5 3 258 12 3/25 21.50 5.17 24.9 0 0
(Tasmania)
SW Tait 6 52.0 5 259 12 5/27 21.58 4.98 26.0 0 1
(South Australia)
AK Heal 8 69.0 4 304 11 3/39 27.63 4.40 37.6 0 0
(Western Australia)
MF Cleary 7 58.1 3 317 10 3/29 31.70 5.44 34.9 0 0
(South Australia)
AB McDonald 8* 62.0 4 322 10 3/41 32.20 5.19 37.2 0 0
(Victoria)

So you've got North who's not in the top 10 bats, and Ronald McDonald with wickets at 32 and going for over 5 an over??
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