SA V NSW o/d game 8/11/06

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Postby mal » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:25 pm

sydney-dog wrote:general question

over the past couple of seasons the redbacks have found themselves in winning positions but have failed to execute under pressure when it counts

living in Sydney I have noticed how strong and competitve the standard of grade cricket is, as this is the pathway to NSW state team it has to be an advantage to their State representative team, in the same way our Shield comp prepares good test cricketers.....

my question, can the redbacks lack of success be contibuted to the standard of district cricket in SA, if so what can be done to rectify the issue


It is no coincidence that a side like NSW has always exceeded SA for cups.
S/DOG there is obviously a better district standard.
Also the population in NSW far exceeds the SA population.
I was going to post the same topic in a new thread but as usualS/D is a step ahead of me.

REB is the ' Ive been everywhere man ' maybe his expert opinion is needed.
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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:31 pm

Mal, the trouble with the SACA Grade system is we have some clubs who are simply not competitive enough. There is one that has been crap for longer than I care to remember, and another who sponges off other clubs for players as they have no junior structure. There are too many cricketers playing A grade who are not competitive enough. There are a hand full of clubs who carry South Australian cricket, the rest just go along for the ride.
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Postby sydney-dog » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:34 pm

Mal

lets compare apples to apples, how would SA grade cricket compare to grade cricket in QLD or WA
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Postby mal » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:52 pm

sydney-dog wrote:Mal

lets compare apples to apples, how would SA grade cricket compare to grade cricket in QLD or WA


I am not qualified to make that judgement.
I was hoping REB would give us the answers sa comp v nsw comp.
Our district comp might lack depth compared to nsw ?
As for other states S/D I dont know, Adelaide Hawk might be on the ball.
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Postby Dutchy » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:01 pm

depth in Adelaide district is very poor, why so many clubs? need 8 max in a promotion relegation system.

I saw a B grade game 3 years ago and could not believe how ordinary it was, even I felt like getting out there!

We had a kid who was our 3rd quick in A grade HIlls cricket, went down to town and by end of season took 4 wickets int he A grade!!!
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Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:39 am

LOL. Hardly an expert mally seeing as I have never seen a NSW or SA grade game in my entire life ha ha. I think it is fairly common knowledge that the standard of SA grade cricket is not that great in comparison to some other states but remember the population scenario which is a contributing factor.

Wasn't there a 'Premier League' type of competition suggested a few years ago so that the emerging players could play against each other on a more regular basis without disturbing the tradition of the district clubs? Whatever happened to that?

Maybe there could be a Regionaly based type of superleague based on current population distribution rather than the disingenious North-South-East-West break up of cricket talent.

FWIW, The domestic scene is the toughest in the world so a city with a smaller population is always going to struggle to develop the depth of class that a Brisbane/Sydney or Melbourne could. Dutchy's comments are also very good in regards what should be done.

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Postby Aerie » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:31 am

SA Grade Cricket has produced what many believe is currently the best young talent in the country in Cosgrove, Cullen, Bailey, Ferguson, Borgas etc. Can't be doing too much wrong.

There are development squads from young ages, underage matches, 2nd XI cricket etc. to push through those with more talent.

It would be good to get rid of the bye, but remember, these clubs have as much tradition and pride as the SANFL clubs who have been around for 100 years and you can't just get rid of clubs for the sake of it. Grade cricket throws out a wide net to catch as much talent as possible. If you think Hills cricket is even close to B Grade cricket you'd be kidding yourself.
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Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:08 am

Aerie. It's not the talent being produced that is in question but the depth of talent and that is what allows State teams to pick up trophies. If all of the players you mentioned were selected at the same time how would the Redbacks fare in the domestic competition? It would be good though because then I could come on here and complain about the SA conspiracy heh heh.

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Postby Adelaide Hawk » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:24 pm

Aerie wrote:There are development squads from young ages, underage matches, 2nd XI cricket etc. to push through those with more talent.

It would be good to get rid of the bye, but remember, these clubs have as much tradition and pride as the SANFL clubs who have been around for 100 years and you can't just get rid of clubs for the sake of it. Grade cricket throws out a wide net to catch as much talent as possible. If you think Hills cricket is even close to B Grade cricket you'd be kidding yourself.


It is true there are development squads and 2nd XI matches, and it is also true that a player's performances in 2nd XI state matches carry far more weight than Grade matches when it comes to selection in the state team. However, before a player is selected to play for the state, most of his cricket will be played in the Grade competition.

There are very few quality attacks in Grade cricket at the moment, and batsmen are teeing off on medium pacers, then finding the step up to the 4 day game a monumental one. It is actually a smaller step from the Redbacks the Australian team than it is to progress from Grade cricket to state.

In my time supporting cricket I have seen the disappearance of Teachers Colleges, Elizabeth and Salisbury, and seen the introduction of Tea Tree Gully, Northern Districts and Souther Districts, so the SACA will make changes to "tradition" when it suits. Every State Coach I have spoken with in the past 20 years has stated they need a total overhaul of the Grade system in order to be effective. They have all been hamstrung by influential people who have their own special interests in certain clubs, one in particular.

Getting rid of the bye is a MUST. It's a joke that a player on the brink of state selection could actually go 4 weeks without a hit in the centre. He could bat on day 1 of round 1, field on day 2, have a bye in round 2, then field on day 1 of round 3. With poor weather he could even go 6-7 weeks without a hit. It is totally unacceptable and amateurish.


Once upon a time the best young sportsmen were walking into grade clubs asking for a game. Those days are gone. Cricket has to compete with heavy opposition to attract talent. We can no longer afford the luxury of a club like University who do nothing for SA cricket as far as nurturing young players is concerned. Once again, totally unacceptable.

If you watch a match between 2 of the better clubs, you would be pleasantly surprised by the standard. However, watch 2 of the lower clubs play each other and you would find it hard to believe you are watching the same competition. There are players in A Grade who should not be playing at that level. Everyone knows it, and yet nobody seems to do anything about it. And while this situation exists, the Redbacks will always be a middle of the road state team.
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Postby Dutchy » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:54 pm

Aerie wrote:SA Grade Cricket has produced what many believe is currently the best young talent in the country in Cosgrove, Cullen, Bailey, Ferguson, Borgas etc. Can't be doing too much wrong.

There are development squads from young ages, underage matches, 2nd XI cricket etc. to push through those with more talent.

It would be good to get rid of the bye, but remember, these clubs have as much tradition and pride as the SANFL clubs who have been around for 100 years and you can't just get rid of clubs for the sake of it. Grade cricket throws out a wide net to catch as much talent as possible. If you think Hills cricket is even close to B Grade cricket you'd be kidding yourself.


Firstly well said AH

Aerie - ever heard of rose coloured glasses? how many tests have the above players played?

every club can stay int he comp but EARN your right to play top grade with a promotion/relegation system then it is fair to all.

How much do you know about Hills cricket? A former state ( and Australian player) played with us for 2-3 seasons 01-03 and his comment was most A grade hills teams would be very competitive in C grade district - he has also recently coached district cricket....as I also said the guy from our club was justa medium, went to town and got a regular A grade game within 6 moths and took wickets...shoudlnt be that easy
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Postby JK » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:54 am

Not being a watcher of district cricket I may be off track, but it would appear as though the batting at that level is not offering anything worthy of promotion anyway ... I read the scores in the SMail nearly every week and there are fair morning innings totals in the 100's than the 200-300 bracket.

I would have thought reducing the number of teams would better the standard and as such be the way to go.
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Re: SA V NSW o/d game 8/11/06

Postby mal » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:36 pm

mal wrote:Daniel CHRISTIAN Ive only seen this guy play twice, and is a very impressive player.
Hits the ball very sweetly and a definite player of the future.
Suggest we all watch him closely, I expect a bright future.
REB whats the mail on CHRISTIAN?.


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We now know who he is !

Yes he can play 68 0ff 79 balls when his side was struggling at 2/30
Plays like our Cam Borgas very correct and then can unleash some big shots.



12 months later he is recruited to play for SA :shock: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
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Re: SA V NSW o/d game 8/11/06

Postby rod_rooster » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:41 pm

mal wrote:
mal wrote:Daniel CHRISTIAN Ive only seen this guy play twice, and is a very impressive player.
Hits the ball very sweetly and a definite player of the future.
Suggest we all watch him closely, I expect a bright future.
REB whats the mail on CHRISTIAN?.


*************************************************************************

We now know who he is !

Yes he can play 68 0ff 79 balls when his side was struggling at 2/30
Plays like our Cam Borgas very correct and then can unleash some big shots.



12 months later he is recruited to play for SA :shock: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:


Plays like Cam Borgas eh? :shock:

Let's brace ourselves for plenty of low scores then :roll:

Ooooppps that's right, we are already used to it :twisted:

C'mon prove me wrong Daniel Christian :wink:
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Re: SA V NSW o/d game 8/11/06

Postby mal » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:52 pm

At that point of time Cam Borgas was a good player.
CHRISTIAN is like BORGAS as he can attack and score quickly.

BORGAS 2006-2007 O/D STATS
4 INNINGS
96 RUNS
AVE 48
STRIKE RATE 106.67

The same guy has played 1 f/cup game this year and made 0 and gets dropped #-o ](*,) ](*,)
Another guy in the team makes 4 ducks in a row and then gets given the captaincy :shock:
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