Somerset scores 7d/850, Langer makes 315 of them

[Rik E Boy]

i am not saying that i would want caddick at the redbacks next year although he would be a better bowling option than ryan harris, i am saying that you cant just slag off teh value of the level of cricjket just because an older bolwer is playing- bichels first class record also includes a lot of wickets in county cricket and a lot ot the green seeming gabba where as caddick has been bowling on batsmens paradise half his life.

just because caddick isnt australian doesnt mean he is no good

His nationality is irrelavant to this debate. If English County Cricket is so good (and second division at that), why not get Caddick for the Redbacks? English County cricket is a doddle for Pura Cup players and Caddick in his prime knocked up more tons than Don Bradman. You do the math.

Also, I'd like to ask you how you know so much about the state of second division county wickets (wickets often prepared by Groundsmen to suit their gun import..if he's a bowler you can forget about a road being prepared) when you are stuck in a time warp regarding the nature of the Gabba strip. The Gabba has been a belter for some years now...take a look at the scoreboard in the last Pura Cup final played up there if you don't believe me. I'd be intersted to hear maddog's comments about English County tracks because to suggest they are 'batsmens paradise' decks is a bit fanciful IMO.

Caddick wouldn't get a gig in the Pura Cup and Bichel has led the strong Bulls attack for many years. Here endeth the lesson.

regards,

REB

[jackpot jim]

Geoff Roach writing in todays Tiser [Quote]

Is it any wonder England's cricketers are floundering internationally?
Scores in the weekend's county championship matches starkly reveal yet again the PATHETIC WEAKNESS of their competition.
Despite the fact that most clubs have two overseas players, the standard probably equates to SECOND-GRADE in Adelaide. Jason Gillespie had no trouble compiling a chanceless, unbeaten 123 for Yorkshire against Surrey.
This will, however, be the last season in which so many Aussies will be permitted to bolster their averages and egos. Next year only one import will be allowed per club, a development which will certainly lower the standard ever further.

[Stumps]

Geoff Roach writing in todays Tiser

Is it any wonder England's cricketers are floundering internationally?
Scores in the weekend's county championship matches starkly reveal yet again the PATHETIC WEAKNESS of their competition.
Despite the fact that most clubs have two overseas players, the standard probably equates to SECOND-GRADE in Adelaide. Jason Gillespie had no trouble compiling a chanceless, unbeaten 123 for Yorkshire against Surrey.
This will, however, be the last season in which so many Aussies will be permitted to bolster their averages and egos. Next year only one import will be allowed per club, a development which will certainly lower the standard ever further.

You are wrong jackpot jim- it is well above first grade let alone second grade- whens the last time you saw a county game and/or a B grade game??

[jackpot jim]

Stumps, I Suggest u take up your Argument with Geoff Roach as he is the one who Wrote it.
I Do agree that he is over the top in saying that the standard equates to 2nd grade in Adelaide as i saw some B + C Grade games this year in grade cricket and whilst i was impressed with the fielding of the younger players, the bowling was ordinary to say the least therefore hard to judge the batting standard. Obviously one would expect it to be above A grade Standard but well below Pura cup.

[MAY-Z]

i am not saying that i would want caddick at the redbacks next year although he would be a better bowling option than ryan harris, i am saying that you cant just slag off teh value of the level of cricjket just because an older bolwer is playing- bichels first class record also includes a lot of wickets in county cricket and a lot ot the green seeming gabba where as caddick has been bowling on batsmens paradise half his life.

just because caddick isnt australian doesnt mean he is no good

His nationality is irrelavant to this debate. If English County Cricket is so good (and second division at that), why not get Caddick for the Redbacks? English County cricket is a doddle for Pura Cup players and Caddick in his prime knocked up more tons than Don Bradman. You do the math.

Also, I'd like to ask you how you know so much about the state of second division county wickets (wickets often prepared by Groundsmen to suit their gun import..if he's a bowler you can forget about a road being prepared) when you are stuck in a time warp regarding the nature of the Gabba strip. The Gabba has been a belter for some years now...take a look at the scoreboard in the last Pura Cup final played up there if you don't believe me. I'd be intersted to hear maddog's comments about English County tracks because to suggest they are 'batsmens paradise' decks is a bit fanciful IMO.

Caddick wouldn't get a gig in the Pura Cup and Bichel has led the strong Bulls attack for many years. Here endeth the lesson.

regards,

REB

his nationality does have somehing to do with the deabte as noone on here apart form mal shows any respect to any players who arent australian.

its not to hard to find things out about wickets around the world these days with something called the internet- have a read of various articles form around the world about county cricket and they all suggest that somersets home ground is a batsmens wicket.

using the pura cup final for your arguement shows how thin your points actually are- of course that pitch is going to be a belter when a draw is a good as a win and we are talking over a career here where iwould suggest that the average gabba wicket would suit seemers more than any other ausralian pitch.

caddick would be a chance in most states he would be a better option than cleary or harris here, better than nicholson in nsw- anyway bichel should be better than caddick at this very point in time as he is 2 years younger.

apart form his 2003 world cup bichel has never been that great in international cricket (and when australia where losing the comm bank trophy one day cricket wasnt real cricket so we cant use bichels perfomance there to ad weight to your arguement

whose test record is more impressive caddick with 229 wkts at 29 or bichels 58 (?) wkts at a bit over 30.

[Stumps]

Geoff Roach writing in todays Tiser

Is it any wonder England's cricketers are floundering internationally?
Scores in the weekend's county championship matches starkly reveal yet again the PATHETIC WEAKNESS of their competition.
Despite the fact that most clubs have two overseas players, the standard probably equates to SECOND-GRADE in Adelaide. Jason Gillespie had no trouble compiling a chanceless, unbeaten 123 for Yorkshire against Surrey.
This will, however, be the last season in which so many Aussies will be permitted to bolster their averages and egos. Next year only one import will be allowed per club, a development which will certainly lower the standard ever further.

You are wrong jackpot jim- it is well above first grade let alone second grade- whens the last time you saw a county game and/or a B grade game??

Apologies JJ- My whinge shouldve been directed to roach-
For those of you giving no kudos to caddick- The bloke can seriously bowl and would be bowling a hell of a lot better even at his ripe old age if he hadnt been bowling 5 days a week for six months of the year for the last 15 years. MDM is correct the majority of county wickets are as flat as French Connection, I would be willing to bet if you compared how many balls a caddick/silverwood etc bowls per year compared to a average first class aussie bowler it would be frightening. I think the high scores are due to three things-1?the pitches are very low and slow and flat meaning its hard to get out if you dont want to. 2) the bowlers are overworked- even this early in a season bowlers only ever have a day or two recovery between games (and that is spent driving tot he next game usually- yes they drive themselves or car pool mostly) 3) the points for 1st innings win dont offer enough incentive for outright pts- look here in aus in the pura cup final when pts werent an issue how many queensland made- were we saying the standard of shield cricket was crap back then??

I think county cricket is a very good standard of cricket that is ruined by playing conditions, overwork and complacency

[rod_rooster]

his nationality does have somehing to do with the deabte as noone on here apart form mal shows any respect to any players who arent australian.

Crap. mal carries on a lot and tends to overrate players based on his assumption that eventually one might actually perform. Then he declares himself "nostraMALdamus" when one of his players does anything remotely good. To use mal as your example is not helping your cause. The fact is this is a cricket board that is used by mostly Australian people, therefore Australian cricketers will get talked about. There are many fine players from other nations but the majority of the time when players from other countries are discussed on here it is mal telling everyone that KP is the best batsman in the world or similar. The fact is in this case KP is a very good player and most on here respect that. It's more disrespect being shown towards mal than anything for suggesting that KP is indeed the best one day batsman in the world. Just look at the thread on Brian Lara to see that respect is indeed shown to players from other nations.

[Rik E Boy]

his nationality does have somehing to do with the deabte as noone on here apart form mal shows any respect to any players who arent australian.

Another irrelevant point.

its not to hard to find things out about wickets around the world these days with something called the internet- have a read of various articles form around the world about county cricket and they all suggest that somersets home ground is a batsmens wicket.

using the pura cup final for your arguement shows how thin your points actually are- of course that pitch is going to be a belter when a draw is a good as a win and we are talking over a career here where iwould suggest that the average gabba wicket would suit seemers more than any other ausralian pitch.

Use this thing called the Internet (you patronising git) and have a look at other matches at Gabba in recent years. The Pura Cup final was merely the best example and as such it was presented.

caddick would be a chance in most states he would be a better option than cleary or harris here, better than nicholson in nsw- anyway bichel should be better than caddick at this very point in time as he is 2 years younger.

At this point in time Caddick would not get a gig in Pura Cup Cricket. That is what I was saying.

apart form his 2003 world cup bichel has never been that great in international cricket (and when australia where losing the comm bank trophy one day cricket wasnt real cricket so we cant use bichels perfomance there to ad weight to your arguement

And County Cricket is real cricket? How many World Cups has Caddick performed well in btw?

whose test record is more impressive caddick with 229 wkts at 29 or bichels 58 (?) wkts at a bit over 30.

Caddick got more opportunities than Bichel hence the large disrepancy in wicket tallies. The average is a whole three runs different, which is why you didn't include Bichel's average, you just put a bit over 30. Bichel received a late call up to the side and didn't get the same opportunity as Caddick. I'd suggest neither player has an impressive test record.

Sorry but you haven't convinced me. Andy Bichel saved our arse in the World Cup in 2003. How many times did Andy Caddick save England's arse in big matches. I think you'll find that overseas players do get respect on this forum but you'll be waiting a long time for that to be afforded to County Cricket trundlers. We tend to save that for legitimate champions.

regards,

REB

[heater31]

Despite the fact that most clubs have two overseas players, the standard probably equates to SECOND-GRADE in Adelaide.

Cripes There is still hope for my First class cricket career to take off yet.

Stumps you are probably right County cricket is somewhere between SACA A grade cricket and the Cricket Australia Cup (State 2nd XI).