1st Test V India starting Boxing Day

[whufc]

Lyon will gain valuable experience bowling to the Indians so should never be dropped. Like someone else posted, if Warne struggled then who wont?
No changes to a winning side, and i'm hoping the Sydney deck will be similar to the way MCG played.

Exactly! thats my point so why bother playing a spinner.

[tigerpie]

And my point is......whats the point of hiding him till the next series!!! He's getting valuable experience which is going to make him a world class bowler against the POMS!!!

[whufc]

And my point is......whats the point of hiding him till the next series!!! He's getting valuable experience which is going to make him a world class bowler against the POMS!!!

He gets valuable experience but gets smacked around for on average 1 for 70-80 and we lose the series, due to only having 3 bowlers that are troubling the batsmen.

Unfortunatly we dont have the bowlers to have 1 bloke in the side who wont take wickets against them. If we had McGrath, Gillespie, Lee you could probably carry a spinner in the side but unfortunatly Pattinson, Hilfenhaus and Siddle are not those 3.

Getting wickets wouldnt be a huge issue if he could tie down 1 end but that wont and didnt happen either. Aus does not have a spinner currently who can trouble or tie down the Indians why play one at all.

[Jim05]

And my point is......whats the point of hiding him till the next series!!! He's getting valuable experience which is going to make him a world class bowler against the POMS!!!

He gets valuable experience but gets smacked around for on average 1 for 70-80 and we lose the series, due to only having 3 bowlers that are troubling the batsmen.

Unfortunatly we dont have the bowlers to have 1 bloke in the side who wont take wickets against them. If we had McGrath, Gillespie, Lee you could probably carry a spinner in the side but unfortunatly Pattinson, Hilfenhaus and Siddle are not those 3.

Getting wickets wouldnt be a huge issue if he could tie down 1 end but that wont and didnt happen either. Aus does not have a spinner currently who can trouble or tie down the Indians why play one at all.

Spot on.
No point playing a spinner for the sake of it.
Seen how much they crap their pants to quicks, make them all greentops, play 4 quicks and bounce the mutha fu**ers

[tigerpie]

For valuable experience!!!! Variety is so important in a bowling attack, so who cares if he gets whacked a bit. Its incredible to hear you say dont pick him. Ever heard of development?

[whufc]

For valuable experience!!!! Variety is so important in a bowling attack, so who cares if he gets whacked a bit. Its incredible to hear you say dont pick him. Ever heard of development?

Remember not every experience is a good one.

Everyone thinks just play them and playing them is enough to gain experience.

What happens if Lyon gets spanked, starts doubting that he belongs at test level, etc etc and never regains form.

Bad habits can also be grown from bowling out of your depth, ala bowling quicker, flatter, defensive fields etc etc.

Lets be honest Lyon doesnt bowl a whole heap of different deliveries, it wouldnt hurt for him to go away and come back with a doosra etc etc. WHICH ARE NEEDED AGAINST THE INDIANS.

Geez even Graeme Swann averages 40 per wicket against these blokes and his miles ahead of Lyon at the moment.

As Jim said forget spin against India produce the greenest bloody pitches possibly and unleash a 4 prong pace attack on them.

[Squids]

Are Warner and Clarke good enough to bowl Lyons overs?

[Booney]

Are Warner and Clarke good enough to bowl Lyons overs?

No.

Lyon was not suited to the MCG conditions and will be kept in the side for balance.

[tigerpie]

For valuable experience!!!! Variety is so important in a bowling attack, so who cares if he gets whacked a bit. Its incredible to hear you say dont pick him. Ever heard of development?

Remember not every experience is a good one.

Everyone thinks just play them and playing them is enough to gain experience.

What happens if Lyon gets spanked, starts doubting that he belongs at test level, etc etc and never regains form.

Bad habits can also be grown from bowling out of your depth, ala bowling quicker, flatter, defensive fields etc etc.

Lets be honest Lyon doesnt bowl a whole heap of different deliveries, it wouldnt hurt for him to go away and come back with a doosra etc etc. WHICH ARE NEEDED AGAINST THE INDIANS.

Geez even Graeme Swann averages 40 per wicket against these blokes and his miles ahead of Lyon at the moment.

As Jim said forget spin against India produce the greenest bloody pitches possibly and unleash a 4 prong pace attack on them.

Ok so when Warne got spanked against them would you suggest he got dropped. I very much doubt it!!!
Producing green tops will shorten the 5 day test to 2-2.5 days....not good for cricket. And the Indian bowlers would possibly go through our top order pretty quickly on a greeny. So produce a fair wicket and win fair and square without doctoring a wicket. Otherwise we are just as bad as them. i.e producing dry dusty flat tracks where both sides score 600 each....crap cricket imo.

[brod]

India captain MS Dhoni says a series of umpiring errors which helped Australia in the second innings of the MCG Test have not softened his
opposition to the decision review system (DRS).

But Dhoni said he was happier having his team be both a beneficiary and victim of umpiring errors than allowing the men in the middle to be over-ruled by technology he regards as unreliable.

"They just need to feel and back their decision, if they feel something is out, they should give it out," Dhoni said.

"They don't need to be God, because it is a game which is full of mistakes.

"I don't mind it, it's part and parcel of the game. If it's not done intentionally then I'm okay with it."

[whufc]

For valuable experience!!!! Variety is so important in a bowling attack, so who cares if he gets whacked a bit. Its incredible to hear you say dont pick him. Ever heard of development?

Remember not every experience is a good one.

Everyone thinks just play them and playing them is enough to gain experience.

What happens if Lyon gets spanked, starts doubting that he belongs at test level, etc etc and never regains form.

Bad habits can also be grown from bowling out of your depth, ala bowling quicker, flatter, defensive fields etc etc.

Lets be honest Lyon doesnt bowl a whole heap of different deliveries, it wouldnt hurt for him to go away and come back with a doosra etc etc. WHICH ARE NEEDED AGAINST THE INDIANS.

Geez even Graeme Swann averages 40 per wicket against these blokes and his miles ahead of Lyon at the moment.

As Jim said forget spin against India produce the greenest bloody pitches possibly and unleash a 4 prong pace attack on them.

Ok so when Warne got spanked against them would you suggest he got dropped. I very much doubt it!!!
Producing green tops will shorten the 5 day test to 2-2.5 days....not good for cricket. And the Indian bowlers would possibly go through our top order pretty quickly on a greeny. So produce a fair wicket and win fair and square without doctoring a wicket. Otherwise we are just as bad as them. i.e producing dry dusty flat tracks where both sides score 600 each....crap cricket imo.

So your happy to have spinner get spanked around for the sake of just having a spinner in the side.

There imho is nothing wrong with doctoring pitches that what TEST cricket is all about
-sub continent- huge turners reverse swing
-Aus- fast bouncy wickets
-Eng- green top cloudy lots of swing

[cripple]

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There imho is nothing wrong with doctoring pitches that what TEST cricket is all about
-sub continent- huge turners reverse swing
-Aus- fast bouncy wickets
-Eng- green top cloudy lots of swing

There is lots wrong with doctoring pitches. Providing a fair pitch due to conditions is fair enough and Australia is fortunate to have 4/5 different types of pitches (bouncy in perth/ brisbane, seem and swing in hobart, dry and turning in adelaide/sydney and a bit slow/ low in melbourne). Changing a pitches natural make up is wrong and not in the spirit of the game. A good pitch is fair to both batter and bowler and the toss of the coin shouldn't have to much bearing on the final result.

[stan]

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There imho is nothing wrong with doctoring pitches that what TEST cricket is all about
-sub continent- huge turners reverse swing
-Aus- fast bouncy wickets
-Eng- green top cloudy lots of swing

There is lots wrong with doctoring pitches. Providing a fair pitch due to conditions is fair enough and Australia is fortunate to have 4/5 different types of pitches (bouncy in perth/ brisbane, seem and swing in hobart, dry and turning in adelaide/sydney and a bit slow/ low in melbourne). Changing a pitches natural make up is wrong and not in the spirit of the game. A good pitch is fair to both batter and bowler and the toss of the coin shouldn't have to much bearing on the final result.

Well that might be right, but that doesnt stop it from happening.

[Rik E Boy]

Are Warner and Clarke good enough to bowl Lyons overs?

No.

Lyon was not suited to the MCG conditions and will be kept in the side for balance.

And rightly so. Obviously the concept of variation is lost on some of our correspondents. Lyon should play.

regards,

REB

[whufc]

Are Warner and Clarke good enough to bowl Lyons overs?

No.

Lyon was not suited to the MCG conditions and will be kept in the side for balance.

And rightly so. Obviously the concept of variation is lost on some of our correspondents. Lyon should play.

regards,

REB

Agree with variation but does it count when the variation releases all the pressure that has been applied by the 3 'similar bowlers' not in the same class but variety wasnt an issue with some other sides that have dominated world cricket.