BIZARRE First Test between NZ and Sri Lanka!

[rod_rooster]

That was umpire Cumberbatch against the West Indies rodney. Unless there was another one you thinking of with Deano.

regards,

REB

Not sure of the umpire's name reb but there was only the one incident as far as i'm aware.

[oldfella]

I thought the rules of cricket strong state the case for spirit of the game and thought that it also indicated where a rule interpretation was in conflict with the spirit of the game then that (SOG) took precedence - any former umpires or rule gurus.

Either way, not cricket IMO.

[mal]

I thought the rules of cricket strong state the case for spirit of the game and thought that it also indicated where a rule interpretation was in conflict with the spirit of the game then that (SOG) took precedence - any former umpires or rule gurus.

Either way, not cricket IMO.

Agree
In the West Indies Dean Jones was run out controversially.
He played the last ball and walked of for stumps, a WI fielder noticed he didnt put
his bat behind the crease and ran him out.

As for Mankads, I agree the bowlers should have the power to run out batsmen.

[mal]

I thought the rules of cricket strong state the case for spirit of the game and thought that it also indicated where a rule interpretation was in conflict with the spirit of the game then that (SOG) took precedence - any former umpires or rule gurus.

Either way, not cricket IMO.

Agree
In the West Indies Dean Jones was run out controversially.
He played the last ball and walked of for stumps, a WI fielder noticed he didnt put
his bat behind the crease and ran him out.

As for Mankads, I agree the bowlers should have the power to run out batsmen.

[am Bays]

My only comment on this incident is that I recall 26 years ago, the Kiwi's up an arms at us playing within the rules but against the spirit of the game......appropriate that Australian's were dressed in yellow Piggy Muldoun suggested....

All of a sudden Stephen Fleming is suggesting it is okay as it was "within the rules" because the ball was still alive, but against the spirit of the game, certainly Jayawardene says so, "Legally it was run out, the ball was alive but we play in an age where we talk about the spirit of the game. Hopefully it won't happen again. It's not the way to play cricket"

New Zealand cricket team hypocrites?? You be the judge....

[mighty_tiger_79]

as 1980TM and a few others have mentioned and asked was it in the spirit of the game?

well having done some umpiring in a situation like that, I would have thought it was upto the umpire to go up to the fielding captain in Stephen Fleming to ask him whether he wanted the appeal to stand???

im not sure if that happened or not, I didnt see the incident.

[MagicKiwi]

Thank you mt79. No the umpire did not. The finger went straight up, no questions asked. I wouldn't like to guess that Stephen Fleming would've rescinded on the runout if the umpire had asked, because I don't know. However, the opportunity wasn't given by the umpire who judges what is and isn't in the spirit of the game. He put his finger up, decision made.

I very VERY highly doubt that Mr R. Ponting would've called the batsman back after given out now do you?

Either way, I don't this it was in the spirit of the game before anyone asks.

[Peter Falconia]

In the West Indies Dean Jones was run out controversially.
He played the last ball and walked of for stumps, a WI fielder noticed he didnt put
his bat behind the crease and ran him out.

Wrong

Dean Jones was bowled off a no ball, but didn't hear the call and started to walk. The ball ended up at point, Allan Border was screaming at Deano to get back, but it was too late. The fielder charged in and ripped out the stumps.

http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1990-91/AUS_IN_WI/AUS_WI_T2_23-28MAR1991.html

The other thing I remember about that test was Richie Richardson tearing the Aussie bowlers a new one.

As for the series, one of the hardest fought you will ever see. It had everything.

[mal]

In the West Indies Dean Jones was run out controversially.
He played the last ball and walked of for stumps, a WI fielder noticed he didnt put
his bat behind the crease and ran him out.

________________________________________
Wrong

__________ ___________

Dean Jones was bowled off a no ball, but didn't hear the call and started to walk. The ball ended up at point, Allan Border was screaming at Deano to get back, but it was too late. The fielder charged in and ripped out the stumps.

http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1990-91/AUS_IN_WI/AUS_WI_T2_23-28MAR1991.html

The other thing I remember about that test was Richie Richardson tearing the Aussie bowlers a new one.

As for the series, one of the hardest fought you will ever see. It had everything.

PF yes you are right but thanks for not calling me an idiot

[mal]

PF
Remember this one

Dean Jones batting for Victoria v SA in a game at Adelaide oval
was out in an extraordinary incident.

I think it was Andrew Zessrs bowling to Deano.
Jones always batted well out of his crease.
Hookesy instructed the bowler to bowl a wide very wide of off stumps to Jones
The ball was that wide it went to 1st slip too Hooksey[i think]
Hookesy threw the stumps down from slip and Jones was stunned to be run out

The incident is correct, I reckon it was Zessrs bowling + Hooksey at slip

[rod_rooster]

PF
Remember this one

Dean Jones batting for Victoria v SA in a game at Adelaide oval
was out in an extraordinary incident.

I think it was Andrew Zessrs bowling to Deano.
Jones always batted well out of his crease.
Hookesy instructed the bowler to bowl a wide very wide of off stumps to Jones
The ball was that wide it went to 1st slip too Hooksey[i think]
Hookesy threw the stumps down from slip and Jones was stunned to be run out

The incident is correct, I reckon it was Zessrs bowling + Hooksey at slip

Lol. Serves him right. If you get to that level of cricket and don't get back in your crease you deserve it.

[Punk Rooster]

Was what the West Indies did to Jones in the Spirit of the Game????
Surely not hearing a no-ball called, & honourably walking, shouldn't leave you exposed to a run out...

[Rik E Boy]

Was what the West Indies did to Jones in the Spirit of the Game????
Surely not hearing a no-ball called, & honourably walking, shouldn't leave you exposed to a run out...

That is a debatable point but most would say that is was not in the spirit of the game. However, what is not debatable was that umpire Cumberbatch ruled incorrectly in giving Jones out. You cannot be given run out of a no-ball unless you are attempting to take a run.

Allan Border's take on this instance in Beyond Ten Thousand is most illuminating.

regards,

REB

[matt]

PF
Remember this one

Dean Jones batting for Victoria v SA in a game at Adelaide oval
was out in an extraordinary incident.

I think it was Andrew Zessrs bowling to Deano.
Jones always batted well out of his crease.
Hookesy instructed the bowler to bowl a wide very wide of off stumps to Jones
The ball was that wide it went to 1st slip too Hooksey[i think]
Hookesy threw the stumps down from slip and Jones was stunned to be run out

The incident is correct, I reckon it was Zessrs bowling + Hooksey at slip

Spot on. And, Hooksey game him an absolute mouthful for a send off iirc. Not too much love lost between those two blokes.

[Peter Falconia]

Was what the West Indies did to Jones in the Spirit of the Game????
Surely not hearing a no-ball called, & honourably walking, shouldn't leave you exposed to a run out...

That is a debatable point but most would say that is was not in the spirit of the game. However, what is not debatable was that umpire Cumberbatch ruled incorrectly in giving Jones out. You cannot be given run out of a no-ball unless you are attempting to take a run.

Allan Border's take on this instance in Beyond Ten Thousand is most illuminating.

regards,

REB

Reb is spot on there. Cumberbatch didn't know the rules.

Interesting footnote. It isn't the first time Brendan McCullum has done this sort of thing. The other time was against Zimbabwe, so no big fuss was made.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/columns/content/current/story/272534.html

[Max]

Correct Mal, Matt.

The story I have is that Deano would bat out of the crease if the keeper was up to the stumps. But, if the keeper went back he would bat out of his crease. Hooks and Deano were at each other all day. Fair bit of 'gamesmanship' and banter on the field as both wasted time (keeper upto the stumps, then back, then upto the stumps etc etc many times an over.)

In the end Hookesy directed the bowler to bowl the wide ball and the rest is history.

There is another story of Hookesy batting with Sam Parkinson (I think), and the Vics had everyone on the boundary to give Hookes the single and get Parkinson on strike. Hookesy instructed Parkinson to back-up as much as he could and sprint as soon as the ball was delivered. Parkinson would take the two runs, but Hookes would only run 2/3rds of the pitch and then back to the batsmans' end. The result was that the umpire would rule it "one-short" meaning Hookes managed to get the single, but retain the strike! I think this rule has since been changed... Anyone else able to confirm my recollection of this?

[Rushby Hinds]

Correct Mal, Matt.

The story I have is that Deano would bat out of the crease if the keeper was up to the stumps. But, if the keeper went back he would bat out of his crease. Hooks and Deano were at each other all day. Fair bit of 'gamesmanship' and banter on the field as both wasted time (keeper upto the stumps, then back, then upto the stumps etc etc many times an over.)

In the end Hookesy directed the bowler to bowl the wide ball and the rest is history.

There is another story of Hookesy batting with Sam Parkinson (I think), and the Vics had everyone on the boundary to give Hookes the single and get Parkinson on strike. Hookesy instructed Parkinson to back-up as much as he could and sprint as soon as the ball was delivered. Parkinson would take the two runs, but Hookes would only run 2/3rds of the pitch and then back to the batsmans' end. The result was that the umpire would rule it "one-short" meaning Hookes managed to get the single, but retain the strike! I think this rule has since been changed... Anyone else able to confirm my recollection of this?

Max, correctr, but pretty sure that Hookesy was suffering from the flu or something on that day as well, wasn't in the mood for running.

Another funny Hookes story, he used to argue a lot with Greg Matthews, and didnt like the way he'd do a warm up ball 5 metres parralel to the pitch at the start of a new spell.

Once hookest walked over to it, and hit the warm up ball over the fence for a six...

[Max]

My mail is that Hookes actually did that to Peter Sleep in a Grade cricket grand final. Hit the ball over the Victor Richardson gates. Explained it to the umpire that "If Sounda (Sleep) gets a warm-up so should I." I could be mistaken - but that's how the story was told to me...

[matt]

My mail is that Hookes actually did that to Peter Sleep in a Grade cricket grand final. Hit the ball over the Victor Richardson gates. Explained it to the umpire that "If Sounda (Sleep) gets a warm-up so should I." I could be mistaken - but that's how the story was told to me...

Outstanding.
How's the tickets though!

[mighty_tiger_79]

referring back to Dean Jones incident this ruling may have come in after that.

Yesterday the channel 9 commentators mentioned a ruling that a batsmen cant be run out unless they are taking off for a run off a no-ball.

thats what i think i heard, hopefully somebody out there heard the conversation that im referring too.