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D5 talk goes here

Any new signings confirmed as yet?

Rumor has it Greenacres been very busy on the recruitment drive.....

Greenacres social media suggests they have resigned their whole team and also recruited the rest of SA.

Hack wrote:Greenacres social media suggests they have resigned their whole team and also recruited the rest of SA.

That's a lot of resignations.

Lindsay Thomas coaching Eastern Park? Anyone else heard this

beef wrote:Lindsay Thomas coaching Eastern Park? Anyone else heard this

Just been confirmed.
Pretty big get.

HBF39 wrote:

beef wrote:Lindsay Thomas coaching Eastern Park? Anyone else heard this

Just been confirmed.
Pretty big get.

I'm hearing they've lost 3 of the top 5 of their best and fairest.

carey wrote:

HBF39 wrote:

beef wrote:Lindsay Thomas coaching Eastern Park? Anyone else heard this

Just been confirmed.
Pretty big get.

I'm hearing they've lost 3 of the top 5 of their best and fairest.

Heard
Wellington Viginia
Knapp & Warner together (lots of clubs mentioned but haven't seen any announcement)
Kovacic Peters Carter Trinity
Marsden retired
Hee Virginia or Salisbury

Probably most of these are wrong as is the norm this time of the year

Still enough talent to be competitive but would need to recruit well to win enough games

Assume Thomas is playing/coach

beef wrote:

carey wrote:

HBF39 wrote:

beef wrote:Lindsay Thomas coaching Eastern Park? Anyone else heard this

Just been confirmed.
Pretty big get.

I'm hearing they've lost 3 of the top 5 of their best and fairest.

Heard
Wellington Viginia
Knapp & Warner together (lots of clubs mentioned but haven't seen any announcement)
Kovacic Peters Carter Trinity
Marsden retired
Hee Virginia or Salisbury

Probably most of these are wrong as is the norm this time of the year

Still enough talent to be competitive but would need to recruit well to win enough games

Assume Thomas is playing/coach

Doesn't Knapp bleed red and blue though?

Arch44 wrote:Doesn't Knapp bleed red and blue though?

Sure does.. that's why he's going to Berri

Berri nice

Hack wrote:Greenacres social media suggests they have resigned their whole team and also recruited the rest of SA.

Unlimited $$$

Unpopular opinion.. but I think payments should be publicised.

Not exact amounts but “tiers” eg if you’re on $0 to $150 you’re say tier 4, $151 to $300 tier 3, $301 to $450 tier 2 and anything above that tier 1.

Don’t need to know exacts but what it does do is give clubs an insight into what clubs are paying for individuals so they can potentially target their needs better but more importantly it keeps players somewhat accountable and can’t bullshit, shop themselves around and try to play potential suitors off against each other so they can profit top dollar.

I also think that there should be incentives for not spending the cap or amounts below.. reward loyalty and positive / astute club administration.

Finally I was always in favour of a scaled salary cap, still whole heartedly agree but the downside is it means higher divs could just pilfer talent at a cheap rate:: but also quality players don’t want to go down unless they’re being paid overs - and scaled salary cap removes that ability to recruit higher grade talent.

Funnily enough, the higher the div the Lower the general base rate of players is.. there is just more of them made

The Bedge wrote:Unpopular opinion.. but I think payments should be publicised.

Not exact amounts but “tiers” eg if you’re on $0 to $150 you’re say tier 4, $151 to $300 tier 3, $301 to $450 tier 2 and anything above that tier 1.

Don’t need to know exacts but what it does do is give clubs an insight into what clubs are paying for individuals so they can potentially target their needs better but more importantly it keeps players somewhat accountable and can’t bullshit, shop themselves around and try to play potential suitors off against each other so they can profit top dollar.

I also think that there should be incentives for not spending the cap or amounts below.. reward loyalty and positive / astute club administration.

Finally I was always in favour of a scaled salary cap, still whole heartedly agree but the downside is it means higher divs could just pilfer talent at a cheap rate:: but also quality players don’t want to go down unless they’re being paid overs - and scaled salary cap removes that ability to recruit higher grade talent.

Funnily enough, the higher the div the Lower the general base rate of players is.. there is just more of them made

No matter what process the league adopts, it will be rorted you and I both know this.

I can openly tell you now, a heap of my payments we're never through 'The Books'

The Bedge wrote:Unpopular opinion.. but I think payments should be publicised.

Not exact amounts but “tiers” eg if you’re on $0 to $150 you’re say tier 4, $151 to $300 tier 3, $301 to $450 tier 2 and anything above that tier 1.

Don’t need to know exacts but what it does do is give clubs an insight into what clubs are paying for individuals so they can potentially target their needs better but more importantly it keeps players somewhat accountable and can’t bullshit, shop themselves around and try to play potential suitors off against each other so they can profit top dollar.

I also think that there should be incentives for not spending the cap or amounts below.. reward loyalty and positive / astute club administration.

Finally I was always in favour of a scaled salary cap, still whole heartedly agree but the downside is it means higher divs could just pilfer talent at a cheap rate:: but also quality players don’t want to go down unless they’re being paid overs - and scaled salary cap removes that ability to recruit higher grade talent.

Funnily enough, the higher the div the Lower the general base rate of players is.. there is just more of them made

Great post.... agree with all of it, albeit i dont disagree with Carey that clubs will still rort it but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and have a better system.

I would add a bit further that there should be more onus on the players to also do the right thing within the rules. If a player is texting asking for more than the salary cap allows or asking for upfront payments ect then they should be held responsible.

For it to get close to working we need both club and players accountable.

Yes, turn the tables on the player, outs him for the greedy bastard he is and pre-warns other clubs that might be interested in taking him on.

Unfortunately (and especially in the country) there will always be someone willing to pay regardless

Footy Chick wrote:Yes, turn the tables on the player, outs him for the greedy bastard he is and pre-warns other clubs that might be interested in taking him on.

Unfortunately (and especially in the country) there will always be someone willing to pay regardless

This is the problem, unfortunately. We're on the edge of the AdelFL & country leagues, and I know first hand that clubs are still paying overs, on top of what they'll report that they're paying you.

The Bedge wrote:Unpopular opinion.. but I think payments should be publicised.

Not exact amounts but “tiers” eg if you’re on $0 to $150 you’re say tier 4, $151 to $300 tier 3, $301 to $450 tier 2 and anything above that tier 1.

Don’t need to know exacts but what it does do is give clubs an insight into what clubs are paying for individuals so they can potentially target their needs better but more importantly it keeps players somewhat accountable and can’t bullshit, shop themselves around and try to play potential suitors off against each other so they can profit top dollar.

I also think that there should be incentives for not spending the cap or amounts below.. reward loyalty and positive / astute club administration.

Finally I was always in favour of a scaled salary cap, still whole heartedly agree but the downside is it means higher divs could just pilfer talent at a cheap rate:: but also quality players don’t want to go down unless they’re being paid overs - and scaled salary cap removes that ability to recruit higher grade talent.

Funnily enough, the higher the div the Lower the general base rate of players is.. there is just more of them made

Whilst the concept is sound, who's going to administer this? Clubs? That'd be a complete waste of time.

Plus, if we haven't got visibility at SANFL or AFL level, then this couldn't and shouldn't go ahead.

gadj1976 wrote:

The Bedge wrote:Unpopular opinion.. but I think payments should be publicised.

Not exact amounts but “tiers” eg if you’re on $0 to $150 you’re say tier 4, $151 to $300 tier 3, $301 to $450 tier 2 and anything above that tier 1.

Don’t need to know exacts but what it does do is give clubs an insight into what clubs are paying for individuals so they can potentially target their needs better but more importantly it keeps players somewhat accountable and can’t bullshit, shop themselves around and try to play potential suitors off against each other so they can profit top dollar.

I also think that there should be incentives for not spending the cap or amounts below.. reward loyalty and positive / astute club administration.

Finally I was always in favour of a scaled salary cap, still whole heartedly agree but the downside is it means higher divs could just pilfer talent at a cheap rate:: but also quality players don’t want to go down unless they’re being paid overs - and scaled salary cap removes that ability to recruit higher grade talent.

Funnily enough, the higher the div the Lower the general base rate of players is.. there is just more of them made

Whilst the concept is sound, who's going to administer this? Clubs? That'd be a complete waste of time.

Plus, if we haven't got visibility at SANFL or AFL level, then this couldn't and shouldn't go ahead.

That's why i wouldn't mind a salary cap tiered system where div 1 clubs can pay XXXX amount which is more than div 6 which can pay XXXX.

Then what you need is both clubs and players being able to 'dob' one another in haha.......... if player A was asking one club for $200 over the allowed salary cap then the club should be allowed to 'report' the player. If one club reports because of sour grapes that they missed out on a player asking for more than the allowed salary .....who cares. Players now will report clubs for sour grape reasons so why not have it both ways. Then it will start to self-regulate. players will be too scared to ask for overs knowing that a club might report them if they dont sign and clubs will be less willing to pay overs knowing that the player maybe asking for overs at other clubs who then might report the player if they miss out on him.

Sadly, if we want salary caps in amateur sport, we need a dog-eat-dog world where both players and clubs are reporting.

Now i know some will say 'they will both find ways around it' and i don't disagree but at that point we might as well not have a salary cap if we aren't even going to try and police it.