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Brodlach wrote:Remember when you are a bigger club and people want to be there they get to select the best youngsters which helps them look well drilled. Can run better drills and trainings as you don’t have some lesser type players

Brodlach wrote:Remember when you are a bigger club and people want to be there they get to select the best youngsters which helps them look well drilled. Can run better drills and trainings as you don’t have some lesser type players

Got to say CLG is very good at including all kids of any ability. A number of senior players are out helping the kids at training which is excellent

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Brodlach wrote:Remember when you are a bigger club and people want to be there they get to select the best youngsters which helps them look well drilled. Can run better drills and trainings as you don’t have some lesser type players

Got to say CLG is very good at including all kids of any ability. A number of senior players are out helping the kids at training which is excellent

The 3 clubs mentioned spread their talent around up until under 11's when there was no premiership table, not sure now where there are divisions.'

Brighton Football Club I take my hat off to, they had two sides in the Under 12 competition last season, both in the top southern division, both extremely competitive, could've easily won the comp if they stacked one side.

jo172 wrote:

The_Informer wrote:400 a game in Div 6, right there is whats wrong with amateur footy these days

That there is no sliding scale on the salary cap from D1 to D7 remains truly ridiculous.

That the worst performing D7 side can have a nominally equivalent value to the D1 premiers is just wrong, will force clubs to extinction and contributes to the culture that Bedge describes above.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but D1 should have the full $4k/$500 that BLG/SFL/HFL etc. have, D2 $3,500/$450, D3 $3,000/$400, D4 $2,500/$350

and so on, so forth.

There should also be a reigning in on points to prevent D1 clubs using a higher salary cap to headhunt D5-7 juniors in the above-mentioned hypothetical.

Executive Member wrote:

jo172 wrote:

The_Informer wrote:400 a game in Div 6, right there is whats wrong with amateur footy these days

That there is no sliding scale on the salary cap from D1 to D7 remains truly ridiculous.

That the worst performing D7 side can have a nominally equivalent value to the D1 premiers is just wrong, will force clubs to extinction and contributes to the culture that Bedge describes above.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but D1 should have the full $4k/$500 that BLG/SFL/HFL etc. have, D2 $3,500/$450, D3 $3,000/$400, D4 $2,500/$350

and so on, so forth.

There should also be a reigning in on points to prevent D1 clubs using a higher salary cap to headhunt D5-7 juniors in the above-mentioned hypothetical.

As much as it makes sense the problem would not be the higher division clubs as a Div 6 $200 player is only worth $80 at Div 1/2 level, the issue is the poaching from outside the Adelaide Footy League, where they would now be able to offer said player $200, knowing the lower grade clubs cant match it due to a reduced salary cap

Could be the socialist coming out in me but I have the opinion that all clubs should be on an equal footing within the league and it sends a dangerous precedent if you start having different rules within the league for different clubs in their ability to recruit and retain players

Are players worth what they get paid, God no, however a player is worth what a club wants to pay for a player, so the free marketer in me says we should even look at deregulating the whole thing and abolish the points and salary cap and let the open market decide what happens. What I can guarantee is that if we open it up that there will be less clubs in the subsequent years.

Cause and affect to whatever way you go on this issue

turk186 wrote: Very disappointed to hear these bloke moving on as the club bent over to help all of them at one time or another including financially... I hoped they would stay which meant the new blokes that have since joined would have given better numbers around the club along with a fair amount of ability.
I guess its easier to follow rather than be at the front of the line where you can't hide.
Wheats would not be in that category, top bloke, pretty fair footballer... wish him all the best.

jo172 wrote:

Executive Member wrote:

jo172 wrote:

The_Informer wrote:400 a game in Div 6, right there is whats wrong with amateur footy these days

That there is no sliding scale on the salary cap from D1 to D7 remains truly ridiculous.

That the worst performing D7 side can have a nominally equivalent value to the D1 premiers is just wrong, will force clubs to extinction and contributes to the culture that Bedge describes above.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but D1 should have the full $4k/$500 that BLG/SFL/HFL etc. have, D2 $3,500/$450, D3 $3,000/$400, D4 $2,500/$350

and so on, so forth.

There should also be a reigning in on points to prevent D1 clubs using a higher salary cap to headhunt D5-7 juniors in the above-mentioned hypothetical.

As much as it makes sense the problem would not be the higher division clubs as a Div 6 $200 player is only worth $80 at Div 1/2 level, the issue is the poaching from outside the Adelaide Footy League, where they would now be able to offer said player $200, knowing the lower grade clubs cant match it due to a reduced salary cap

Could be the socialist coming out in me but I have the opinion that all clubs should be on an equal footing within the league and it sends a dangerous precedent if you start having different rules within the league for different clubs in their ability to recruit and retain players

Are players worth what they get paid, God no, however a player is worth what a club wants to pay for a player, so the free marketer in me says we should even look at deregulating the whole thing and abolish the points and salary cap and let the open market decide what happens. What I can guarantee is that if we open it up that there will be less clubs in the subsequent years.

Cause and affect to whatever way you go on this issue

By that same logic not having it at $4k/$500 to match the country leagues is equally insane.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Brodlach wrote:Remember when you are a bigger club and people want to be there they get to select the best youngsters which helps them look well drilled. Can run better drills and trainings as you don’t have some lesser type players

Got to say CLG is very good at including all kids of any ability. A number of senior players are out helping the kids at training which is excellent

The 3 clubs mentioned spread their talent around up until under 11's when there was no premiership table, not sure now where there are divisions.'

Brighton Football Club I take my hat off to, they had two sides in the Under 12 competition last season, both in the top southern division, both extremely competitive, could've easily won the comp if they stacked one side.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

ROOBOY18 wrote:Elizabeth FC must be doing something right then, not 1 player or coach gets paid and to have 4 sides in the comp this year shows these guys just play for the jumper.

That's what happens when you appoint a coach that has played for the jumper forever and is a great talker, respect isn't expected, it's earnt.

Old_mate21 wrote:Alright let’s look at facts, I’ll give you an insight into why a player may make a decision.

Fitzroy 2015 I had played country footy for 10 years, my daughter was two I wanted to be closer to her and we just built a house at St Clair. I sat down with Fitzroy as I had good friends there. The club offered me $400 a game not once did I mention a number that is what they let me make sure you understand they as in the club offered me that.

OSB 2016 I was going to retire after how things transpired at Fitzroy. I met with Paul at ingle Farm because YOU contacted me and set up a meeting. I sat with Paul and said if I play I will play there and for free. Unfortunately this period also saw the breakdown of my marriage and that is when OSB rang me through a mate who was playing there, I met with them and they offered me $500 a game which was much needed at the time of the separation. I played the year there and the following year as well for much much less whilst also joining the committee.

It’s amazing to think that things outside of football may impact on a persons decision but hey that’s none of my business because what would I know. You guys have it all sorted and players are are always the problem. Maybe that is part of the problem clubs don’t take any ownership of the issues and that’s why clubs end up in trouble. Hopefully that’s honest enough for you Bedge.

So you will tell your son to stick to his commitment and see out his contract? Isn’t that what players do?

Brodlach wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:

jo172 wrote:

The_Informer wrote:400 a game in Div 6, right there is whats wrong with amateur footy these days

That there is no sliding scale on the salary cap from D1 to D7 remains truly ridiculous.

That the worst performing D7 side can have a nominally equivalent value to the D1 premiers is just wrong, will force clubs to extinction and contributes to the culture that Bedge describes above.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but D1 should have the full $4k/$500 that BLG/SFL/HFL etc. have, D2 $3,500/$450, D3 $3,000/$400, D4 $2,500/$350

and so on, so forth.

There should also be a reigning in on points to prevent D1 clubs using a higher salary cap to headhunt D5-7 juniors in the above-mentioned hypothetical.

Yes and no.

If lower ranked clubs source sponsors and have money to splurge then good on them, if that's how they wish to roll to get up the grades well then that's their prerogative, I do get your point though.

How much of this money actually comes from the junior section of the club?

Executive Member wrote:

jo172 wrote:

The_Informer wrote:400 a game in Div 6, right there is whats wrong with amateur footy these days

That there is no sliding scale on the salary cap from D1 to D7 remains truly ridiculous.

That the worst performing D7 side can have a nominally equivalent value to the D1 premiers is just wrong, will force clubs to extinction and contributes to the culture that Bedge describes above.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but D1 should have the full $4k/$500 that BLG/SFL/HFL etc. have, D2 $3,500/$450, D3 $3,000/$400, D4 $2,500/$350

and so on, so forth.

There should also be a reigning in on points to prevent D1 clubs using a higher salary cap to headhunt D5-7 juniors in the above-mentioned hypothetical.

As much as it makes sense the problem would not be the higher division clubs as a Div 6 $200 player is only worth $80 at Div 1/2 level, the issue is the poaching from outside the Adelaide Footy League, where they would now be able to offer said player $200, knowing the lower grade clubs cant match it due to a reduced salary cap

Could be the socialist coming out in me but I have the opinion that all clubs should be on an equal footing within the league and it sends a dangerous precedent if you start having different rules within the league for different clubs in their ability to recruit and retain players

Are players worth what they get paid, God no, however a player is worth what a club wants to pay for a player, so the free marketer in me says we should even look at deregulating the whole thing and abolish the points and salary cap and let the open market decide what happens. What I can guarantee is that if we open it up that there will be less clubs in the subsequent years.

Cause and affect to whatever way you go on this issue

Jimmy_041 wrote:

Executive Member wrote:

jo172 wrote:

The_Informer wrote:400 a game in Div 6, right there is whats wrong with amateur footy these days

That there is no sliding scale on the salary cap from D1 to D7 remains truly ridiculous.

That the worst performing D7 side can have a nominally equivalent value to the D1 premiers is just wrong, will force clubs to extinction and contributes to the culture that Bedge describes above.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but D1 should have the full $4k/$500 that BLG/SFL/HFL etc. have, D2 $3,500/$450, D3 $3,000/$400, D4 $2,500/$350

and so on, so forth.

There should also be a reigning in on points to prevent D1 clubs using a higher salary cap to headhunt D5-7 juniors in the above-mentioned hypothetical.

As much as it makes sense the problem would not be the higher division clubs as a Div 6 $200 player is only worth $80 at Div 1/2 level, the issue is the poaching from outside the Adelaide Footy League, where they would now be able to offer said player $200, knowing the lower grade clubs cant match it due to a reduced salary cap

Could be the socialist coming out in me but I have the opinion that all clubs should be on an equal footing within the league and it sends a dangerous precedent if you start having different rules within the league for different clubs in their ability to recruit and retain players

Are players worth what they get paid, God no, however a player is worth what a club wants to pay for a player, so the free marketer in me says we should even look at deregulating the whole thing and abolish the points and salary cap and let the open market decide what happens. What I can guarantee is that if we open it up that there will be less clubs in the subsequent years.

Cause and affect to whatever way you go on this issue

Errr, that’s capitalism EM
Socialism would be if we scrapped scores & premierships and gave everyone participation certificates so no-one got emotionally hurt or offended.
Oh, and the league would double the calls and spend it on its own officials to reward them for their sacrifice

jo172 wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Brodlach wrote:Remember when you are a bigger club and people want to be there they get to select the best youngsters which helps them look well drilled. Can run better drills and trainings as you don’t have some lesser type players

Got to say CLG is very good at including all kids of any ability. A number of senior players are out helping the kids at training which is excellent

The 3 clubs mentioned spread their talent around up until under 11's when there was no premiership table, not sure now where there are divisions.'

Brighton Football Club I take my hat off to, they had two sides in the Under 12 competition last season, both in the top southern division, both extremely competitive, could've easily won the comp if they stacked one side.

They had two sides in the same division? That seems a tad unusual?

We've got a pretty consistent view that where there is a Red/White team in the same age group (nfi what the current terminology is) you place kids according to their developmental progress.

No point have a kid racking up BOGs every week in the Whites or a kid not getting a kick in the Reds where those options are avoidable.

If for some reason you had two teams in the same grade i agree it's desirable for those sides to be as evenly matched as practicable.

EDIT - having looked at Brighton's under 12s I'm very surprised they didn't enter a D2 or D3 side? Be interested to hear the reasoning behind that.

Down the Hill wrote:
Because us and the SANFL Juniors were confident that based on our U11's the year before that two evenly selected U12 squads would be strong enough to compete well in Division 1 South which turned out correct with one making finals and the other not missing by much. That is our club philosophy with 2 or more teams in the same age group regardless of age level and I would rather 45 out of 50 players and parents happy with this approach rather than only 25 or 30. It may not suit everyone but we are fielding 19 boys teams and 4 girls teams in 2018 so we must be doing something right.

beef wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

Executive Member wrote:

jo172 wrote:
That there is no sliding scale on the salary cap from D1 to D7 remains truly ridiculous.

That the worst performing D7 side can have a nominally equivalent value to the D1 premiers is just wrong, will force clubs to extinction and contributes to the culture that Bedge describes above.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but D1 should have the full $4k/$500 that BLG/SFL/HFL etc. have, D2 $3,500/$450, D3 $3,000/$400, D4 $2,500/$350

and so on, so forth.

There should also be a reigning in on points to prevent D1 clubs using a higher salary cap to headhunt D5-7 juniors in the above-mentioned hypothetical.

As much as it makes sense the problem would not be the higher division clubs as a Div 6 $200 player is only worth $80 at Div 1/2 level, the issue is the poaching from outside the Adelaide Footy League, where they would now be able to offer said player $200, knowing the lower grade clubs cant match it due to a reduced salary cap

Could be the socialist coming out in me but I have the opinion that all clubs should be on an equal footing within the league and it sends a dangerous precedent if you start having different rules within the league for different clubs in their ability to recruit and retain players

Are players worth what they get paid, God no, however a player is worth what a club wants to pay for a player, so the free marketer in me says we should even look at deregulating the whole thing and abolish the points and salary cap and let the open market decide what happens. What I can guarantee is that if we open it up that there will be less clubs in the subsequent years.

Cause and affect to whatever way you go on this issue

Errr, that’s capitalism EM
Socialism would be if we scrapped scores & premierships and gave everyone participation certificates so no-one got emotionally hurt or offended.
Oh, and the league would double the calls and spend it on its own officials to reward them for their sacrifice

Like we do with Junior footy