APPS Reduction in points

[Caramels]

Just heard a whisper that the CFL has or is about to implement, a reduction in the available points for clubs back from 15 to 10 in country football so how long before it happens in SAAFL?

There are some conditions that prevail with this that can be used for special circumstances but my info is this will be the catalyst for a big walkout by several Leagues from under the banner of Community Football.

Stay tuned for more info!

[heater31]

Fantastic! Inflate the cash spent even more on individuals that don't deserve it

[X Runna]

Just heard a whisper that the CFL has or is about to implement, a reduction in the available points for clubs back from 15 to 10 in country football so how long before it happens in SAAFL?

There are some conditions that prevail with this that can be used for special circumstances but my info is this will be the catalyst for a big walkout by several Leagues from under the banner of Community Football.

Stay tuned for more info!

Have you thought the idea might be to stop country clubs raping metropolitan clubs? One would think if you've heard the CFL was going to lower points for country footy you would've also heard they were going to lower points in the SAAFL IF that is the intention.

I think it would also reduce the number of overpaid players.

[daysofourlives]

Fantastic! Inflate the cash spent even more on individuals that don't deserve it

How bout the CFB just F#@! off.

I hope the leagues do disaffiliate from the CFB and by extension the SANFL.
They get little or no benefits anyway. I for one hope the BL&G league go back to their import system which saw 7 of the 9 clubs win flags over a 8 year period.
In the last 7 years we have only had 2 different premiers, yawn!

[cracka]

Fantastic! Inflate the cash spent even more on individuals that don't deserve it

How bout the CFB just F#@! off.

I hope the leagues do disaffiliate from the CFB and by extension the SANFL.
They get little or no benefits anyway. I for one hope the BL&G league go back to their import system which saw 7 of the 9 clubs win flags over a 8 year period.
In the last 7 years we have only had 2 different premiers, yawn!

What was the import system?

[daysofourlives]

Fantastic! Inflate the cash spent even more on individuals that don't deserve it

How bout the CFB just F#@! off.

I hope the leagues do disaffiliate from the CFB and by extension the SANFL.
They get little or no benefits anyway. I for one hope the BL&G league go back to their import system which saw 7 of the 9 clubs win flags over a 8 year period.
In the last 7 years we have only had 2 different premiers, yawn!

What was the import system?

Basically there was a geographical boundary drawn up around the league's area. Anyone outside that was an "Import".
Import allocation was arrived at by population of the town and performance over the previous 3 seasons.
I don't think the Gawler clubs, Tanunda or Nuri ever got an allocation for population. A typical year would see these clubs have between 1 and 3. The other 4 clubs would have say between 3 and 5.
It was strictly adhered to, or it was after South lost all their points one season in the 90's for declaring someone a local who was living outside the boundary.
A player would become a local after 5 years of continuous service.
A key component of the rule was that if a player wanted to go from one club to another within the league, the club was able to reject the clearance application. This stopped the clubs with more money poaching the best locals and imports from other clubs within the league. If you really wanted to change clubs within the league you had to go to another league for 2 years.
They are trying to replicate this with the points system with clubs being allocated either 3,6,9,12 or 15 points dependent on wins in the last 2 seasons. However there is no population levels taken into account and this is where it will never give us a level playing field.

This is my understanding of both systems, maybe others from the BL&G will correct me if i have left anything out or got anything wrong

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Fantastic! Inflate the cash spent even more on individuals that don't deserve it

How bout the CFB just F#@! off.

I hope the leagues do disaffiliate from the CFB and by extension the SANFL.
They get little or no benefits anyway. I for one hope the BL&G league go back to their import system which saw 7 of the 9 clubs win flags over a 8 year period.
In the last 7 years we have only had 2 different premiers, yawn!

For once we agree!!!

The Nob President from the BL&G thought it was a wonderful system. Yeh his club was one of the clubs who won a string of premierships under this system.

Scrap it all together we never had a problem in the SAAFL we might have had a few clubs throw around a bit of money every now and then but they never won a premiership!!!!! If it ain't broke don't try to fix it!!!!!!!

[Jim05]

Your pretty spot on there Days.
The points system is a farce, I find it laughable that it goes on minor round wins.
Barossa won the flag last year and get an increase in points this year, how is making a premiership side stronger evening out the comp?

[Caramels]

Just heard a whisper that the CFL has or is about to implement, a reduction in the available points for clubs back from 15 to 10 in country football so how long before it happens in SAAFL?

There are some conditions that prevail with this that can be used for special circumstances but my info is this will be the catalyst for a big walkout by several Leagues from under the banner of Community Football.

Stay tuned for more info!

Have you thought the idea might be to stop country clubs raping metropolitan clubs? One would think if you've heard the CFL was going to lower points for country footy you would've also heard they were going to lower points in the SAAFL IF that is the intention.

I think it would also reduce the number of overpaid players.

I have thought many things about the APPS and Community Football, I am yet to find one positive outcome from either part.
All it has done is made the really good players more greedy than they were beforehand. It also sends the ordinary players further out to grab the coin.
I hear Mannum's spend is in excess of $200K, now that's an easy way to buy a premiership and receive a $50 Cup and $10 Pennant for the wall.

[cracka]

Fantastic! Inflate the cash spent even more on individuals that don't deserve it

How bout the CFB just F#@! off.

I hope the leagues do disaffiliate from the CFB and by extension the SANFL.
They get little or no benefits anyway. I for one hope the BL&G league go back to their import system which saw 7 of the 9 clubs win flags over a 8 year period.
In the last 7 years we have only had 2 different premiers, yawn!

What was the import system?

Basically there was a geographical boundary drawn up around the league's area. Anyone outside that was an "Import".
Import allocation was arrived at by population of the town and performance over the previous 3 seasons.
I don't think the Gawler clubs, Tanunda or Nuri ever got an allocation for population. A typical year would see these clubs have between 1 and 3. The other 4 clubs would have say between 3 and 5.
It was strictly adhered to, or it was after South lost all their points one season in the 90's for declaring someone a local who was living outside the boundary.
A player would become a local after 5 years of continuous service.
A key component of the rule was that if a player wanted to go from one club to another within the league, the club was able to reject the clearance application. This stopped the clubs with more money poaching the best locals and imports from other clubs within the league. If you really wanted to change clubs within the league you had to go to another league for 2 years.
They are trying to replicate this with the points system with clubs being allocated either 3,6,9,12 or 15 points dependent on wins in the last 2 seasons. However there is no population levels taken into account and this is where it will never give us a level playing field.

This is my understanding of both systems, maybe others from the BL&G will correct me if i have left anything out or got anything wrong

That sounds like a brilliant system. I think it might have been something like that in the HFL in the 90's as I remember Onkas lost some points one year because we played a guy who came from TTG but also played at Kersbrook (2-3 years before that) & we only got the clearance from TTG.

[RooShootOhh]

Fantastic! Inflate the cash spent even more on individuals that don't deserve it

How bout the CFB just F#@! off.

I hope the leagues do disaffiliate from the CFB and by extension the SANFL.
They get little or no benefits anyway. I for one hope the BL&G league go back to their import system which saw 7 of the 9 clubs win flags over a 8 year period.
In the last 7 years we have only had 2 different premiers, yawn!

What was the import system?

Basically there was a geographical boundary drawn up around the league's area. Anyone outside that was an "Import".
Import allocation was arrived at by population of the town and performance over the previous 3 seasons.
I don't think the Gawler clubs, Tanunda or Nuri ever got an allocation for population. A typical year would see these clubs have between 1 and 3. The other 4 clubs would have say between 3 and 5.
It was strictly adhered to, or it was after South lost all their points one season in the 90's for declaring someone a local who was living outside the boundary.
A player would become a local after 5 years of continuous service.
A key component of the rule was that if a player wanted to go from one club to another within the league, the club was able to reject the clearance application. This stopped the clubs with more money poaching the best locals and imports from other clubs within the league. If you really wanted to change clubs within the league you had to go to another league for 2 years.
They are trying to replicate this with the points system with clubs being allocated either 3,6,9,12 or 15 points dependent on wins in the last 2 seasons. However there is no population levels taken into account and this is where it will never give us a level playing field.

This is my understanding of both systems, maybe others from the BL&G will correct me if i have left anything out or got anything wrong

A couple of points, perhaps the boundary should be slightly larger than the comp...
5Years is too long, if a bloke plays 10yrs of senior footy, you ask him to spend half his 'career' there before he is a local, I think 3 years would be sufficient.

Plus nothing to say $$$ clubs can't pay rent in a local area for a new recruit to get around these boarders...

Both systems have some merit, they are just often implemented and enforced poorly

[Look Good In Leather]

My understanding is this change is being pushed by the representatives of the SAAFL to protect the SANFL & Amateur League from poaching by country clubs.

Word is the leagues within the Central Zone and Southern Zone are refusing to adopt it.

[daysofourlives]

My understanding is this change is being pushed by the representatives of the SAAFL to protect the SANFL & Amateur League from poaching by country clubs.

Word is the leagues within the Central Zone and Southern Zone are refusing to adopt it.

If this goes ahead it will not be the fringe league and SAAFL players they will lose it will be the very best players.
Any country club having a decent crack at a flag would be up around 100k on players. Given that in general most pay a insignificant amount to locals it would be safe to assume for the sake of this exercise that the 100k is split between say 6 (15points) players at about 16k each. If the points goes to ten, it's only 3 players, thats 33k each to train one night a week and play 16-18 games. What SANFL league players would be on that much? UNless you think you can still get on an AFL list why would you stay at a league club.
This will shoot themselves in the foot, The SANFL are very good at that

[daysofourlives]

How bout the CFB just F#@! off.

I hope the leagues do disaffiliate from the CFB and by extension the SANFL.
They get little or no benefits anyway. I for one hope the BL&G league go back to their import system which saw 7 of the 9 clubs win flags over a 8 year period.
In the last 7 years we have only had 2 different premiers, yawn![/quote]
What was the import system?[/quote]

Basically there was a geographical boundary drawn up around the league's area. Anyone outside that was an "Import".
Import allocation was arrived at by population of the town and performance over the previous 3 seasons.
I don't think the Gawler clubs, Tanunda or Nuri ever got an allocation for population. A typical year would see these clubs have between 1 and 3. The other 4 clubs would have say between 3 and 5.
It was strictly adhered to, or it was after South lost all their points one season in the 90's for declaring someone a local who was living outside the boundary.
A player would become a local after 5 years of continuous service.
A key component of the rule was that if a player wanted to go from one club to another within the league, the club was able to reject the clearance application. This stopped the clubs with more money poaching the best locals and imports from other clubs within the league. If you really wanted to change clubs within the league you had to go to another league for 2 years.
They are trying to replicate this with the points system with clubs being allocated either 3,6,9,12 or 15 points dependent on wins in the last 2 seasons. However there is no population levels taken into account and this is where it will never give us a level playing field.

This is my understanding of both systems, maybe others from the BL&G will correct me if i have left anything out or got anything wrong[/quote]
A couple of points, perhaps the boundary should be slightly larger than the comp...
5Years is too long, if a bloke plays 10yrs of senior footy, you ask him to spend half his 'career' there before he is a local, I think 3 years would be sufficient.

Plus nothing to say $$$ clubs can't pay rent in a local area for a new recruit to get around these boarders...

Both systems have some merit, they are just often implemented and enforced poorly[/quote]

The boundary was bigger than the comp but didnt encompass any neighbouring towns.
The 5 years was the system that was in place, not agreeing or disagreeing with it.
The hardest issue to negotiate is the one you mentioned of clubs moving guys into the area.
Perhaps any new player to the town should be considered an import for one year. If they have too many imports someoine has to play b grade. There has been cases over the years of players playing b grade for 5 years as they were considered imports but not good enough to take an import position

[countryfootyfan]

The YPFL had a similar system to the BLG - except to be classed as a local,the player had to play 50 games for the same club. 5 years is a bit much, but 50 games when their season is 16 games plus finals does take 3 years..