SA Footy

Do we still have a salary cap as well as the points system? Should we?

No and no. Salary caps are a joke, there is no way of policing, hence, no way of enforcing it.

Mr Beefy wrote:No and no. Salary caps are a joke, there is no way of policing, hence, no way of enforcing it.

its also a joke that an country average country player can earn $1000+ per week, I think something has to be looked at or we will see more local clubs folding, its all about the money these days. Were will the young kids go when all the local clubs are gone, dont think kids will trave for a kick. Something to think about! I dont have a fix for this but we have a problem.

aussi rulz wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote:No and no. Salary caps are a joke, there is no way of policing, hence, no way of enforcing it.

its also a joke that an country average country player can earn $1000+ per week, I think something has to be looked at or we will see more local clubs folding, its all about the money these days. Were will the young kids go when all the local clubs are gone, dont think kids will trave for a kick. Something to think about! I dont have a fix for this but we have a problem.

I thought the points system was supposed to fix this problem!

I worry without a salary cap clubs and players might then inflate match payments.

Don't forget it takes 2 to tango. Clubs also need to be diligent and handle their $ responsibly. Christ the amount of players CBC have missed out on over the years because we have simply said no.

Would it help if we took away the pokies? This would force clubs to reduce payments and could potentially stop the mercenaries. Govt would need to offer reductions in rates etc to ease the pain of the initial loss of income stream.

The leagues (saafl, Sgl, nafa, etc) along with the community football board would then need to develop financial guidelines for the clubs and govern them.

Obviously not that simple but food for thought.

Flipper wrote:I worry without a salary cap clubs and players might then inflate match payments.

Don't forget it takes 2 to tango. Clubs also need to be diligent and handle their $ responsibly. Christ the amount of players CBC have missed out on over the years because we have simply said no.

Would it help if we took away the pokies? This would force clubs to reduce payments and could potentially stop the mercenaries. Govt would need to offer reductions in rates etc to ease the pain of the initial loss of income stream.

The leagues (saafl, Sgl, nafa, etc) along with the community football board would then need to develop financial guidelines for the clubs and govern them.

Obviously not that simple but food for thought.

How many clubs actually have pokies? not many

Flipper wrote:I worry without a salary cap clubs and players might then inflate match payments.

Don't forget it takes 2 to tango. Clubs also need to be diligent and handle their $ responsibly. Christ the amount of players CBC have missed out on over the years because we have simply said no.

Would it help if we took away the pokies? This would force clubs to reduce payments and could potentially stop the mercenaries. Govt would need to offer reductions in rates etc to ease the pain of the initial loss of income stream.

The leagues (saafl, Sgl, nafa, etc) along with the community football board would then need to develop financial guidelines for the clubs and govern them.

Obviously not that simple but food for thought.

Death, Taxes and clubs trying to break the rules in paying players and players over inflating their prices to get more money. No legislation will work as clubs will always want to win a premiership and come up with a new way of breaking the rules and players will always be trying to get more money. Cant be stopped, no matter how much anyone legislates, as someone will always find an angle. Points gets close, however not all leagues play under the same rules or points system which is a monumental stuff up in itself, of which the CFB have made a complete balls up of and the SAAFL just toed the line and did as it was told. If all leagues were on the same rules and more importantly, the same points system - then the points system, is probably the only feasible way of doing it and probably a really good idea, but until this happens, it is not a level playing field and country clubs will continue to raid the SAAFL clubs.

Yardy Lard wrote:

Flipper wrote:I worry without a salary cap clubs and players might then inflate match payments.

Don't forget it takes 2 to tango. Clubs also need to be diligent and handle their $ responsibly. Christ the amount of players CBC have missed out on over the years because we have simply said no.

Would it help if we took away the pokies? This would force clubs to reduce payments and could potentially stop the mercenaries. Govt would need to offer reductions in rates etc to ease the pain of the initial loss of income stream.

The leagues (saafl, Sgl, nafa, etc) along with the community football board would then need to develop financial guidelines for the clubs and govern them.

Obviously not that simple but food for thought.

Death, Taxes and clubs trying to break the rules in paying players and players over inflating their prices to get more money. No legislation will work as clubs will always want to win a premiership and come up with a new way of breaking the rules and players will always be trying to get more money. Cant be stopped, no matter how much anyone legislates, as someone will always find an angle. Points gets close, however not all leagues play under the same rules or points system which is a monumental stuff up in itself, of which the CFB have made a complete balls up of and the SAAFL just toed the line and did as it was told. If all leagues were on the same rules and more importantly, the same points system - then the points system, is probably the only feasible way of doing it and probably a really good idea, but until this happens, it is not a level playing field and country clubs will continue to raid the SAAFL clubs.

Agree..... What if clubs CFO or treasurer needed to complete a day long sporting club finance course? Ala umpires and coaches. The CFB could design the course and arm clubs with the correct tools for survival. A very small football club would have running costs of over $100k. What would say a Henley or pdfc or mt barkers running cost be at an estimate? Point being it would only take 1 person to come in and send things south, over spending and borrowing.

I agree with the points system but I assumed the whole state was under the same banner. It does make a mockery of the system.

Teams in div 3 who have pokies (correct me if I'm wrong or add to list)
Pooraka?
Athlestone
Seaton
kilburn?

Cash 123 wrote:

Flipper wrote:I worry without a salary cap clubs and players might then inflate match payments.

Don't forget it takes 2 to tango. Clubs also need to be diligent and handle their $ responsibly. Christ the amount of players CBC have missed out on over the years because we have simply said no.

Would it help if we took away the pokies? This would force clubs to reduce payments and could potentially stop the mercenaries. Govt would need to offer reductions in rates etc to ease the pain of the initial loss of income stream.

The leagues (saafl, Sgl, nafa, etc) along with the community football board would then need to develop financial guidelines for the clubs and govern them.

Obviously not that simple but food for thought.

How many clubs actually have pokies? not many

Country footy majority do. My old league when it was a 7 team comp 6 of them had pokies. The 2 teams with the most pokies spent the most $ on players and the team with the least obviously spent the least

Flipper wrote:

Yardy Lard wrote:

Flipper wrote:I worry without a salary cap clubs and players might then inflate match payments.

Don't forget it takes 2 to tango. Clubs also need to be diligent and handle their $ responsibly. Christ the amount of players CBC have missed out on over the years because we have simply said no.

Would it help if we took away the pokies? This would force clubs to reduce payments and could potentially stop the mercenaries. Govt would need to offer reductions in rates etc to ease the pain of the initial loss of income stream.

The leagues (saafl, Sgl, nafa, etc) along with the community football board would then need to develop financial guidelines for the clubs and govern them.

Obviously not that simple but food for thought.

Death, Taxes and clubs trying to break the rules in paying players and players over inflating their prices to get more money. No legislation will work as clubs will always want to win a premiership and come up with a new way of breaking the rules and players will always be trying to get more money. Cant be stopped, no matter how much anyone legislates, as someone will always find an angle. Points gets close, however not all leagues play under the same rules or points system which is a monumental stuff up in itself, of which the CFB have made a complete balls up of and the SAAFL just toed the line and did as it was told. If all leagues were on the same rules and more importantly, the same points system - then the points system, is probably the only feasible way of doing it and probably a really good idea, but until this happens, it is not a level playing field and country clubs will continue to raid the SAAFL clubs.

Agree..... What if clubs CFO or treasurer needed to complete a day long sporting club finance course? Ala umpires and coaches. The CFB could design the course and arm clubs with the correct tools for survival. A very small football club would have running costs of over $100k. What would say a Henley or pdfc or mt barkers running cost be at an estimate? Point being it would only take 1 person to come in and send things south, over spending and borrowing.

I agree with the points system but I assumed the whole state was under the same banner. It does make a mockery of the system.

Teams in div 3 who have pokies (correct me if I'm wrong or add to list)
Pooraka?
Athlestone
Seaton
kilburn?

Kilburn - no

Kilburn have a TAB facility if im not mistaken though.

anyway, it would be nice to see some form of salary cap say $40k a season on purely player expences. which is just over $2k a game. (i realise some teams pay close to double this) but not only would it level the playing feild in conjunction with the points system, which i think could be even tighter (15points is a lot for stable clubs) but it would also stop clubs from sending themselves broke!

teaoby wrote:Kilburn have a TAB facility if im not mistaken though.

anyway, it would be nice to see some form of salary cap say $40k a season on purely player expences. which is just over $2k a game. (i realise some teams pay close to double this) but not only would it level the playing feild in conjunction with the points system, which i think could be even tighter (15points is a lot for stable clubs) but it would also stop clubs from sending themselves broke!

Kilburn no Pokies or TAB
Seaton no Pokies or TAB
Athelstone - Yes to Pokies but no TAB
Pooraka - Yes to Pokies but no to TAB

Would be nice in an ideal world to have a 40K cap, but unfortunately too many clubs want to win a premiership and it just won't happen, as clubs pay under the table and has been going on for years. The points really is the only way to stop it - but with every league in the state on the same system and exactly the same points. The CFB absolutely must bring this in. Either exactly the same points for all leagues under the CFB banner (which is all) or not at all, Only way to get a level playing field.

when the points system was introduced player payments escalated. Why? because now clubs can only have 4-6 imports maximum which means some clubs have more money at their disposal and "good" players can now ask for more through simple supply and demand. My club has recently had to pay $200 a week to a local lad(played last year for $40) who had moved to Adelaide because he was offered $180 by a div 4 club. And last year we paid $300 to a bloke who had played 10 reserves games and he ended up spending some time in the B grade through average form. Points and salary sound like good ideas but will never work 100% because rules are made to be broken according to most people. So you will waste your time trying to find solutions, especially to match payments & the points system has far too many flaws regarding job transfers, uni students etc. Here in the country clubs have various ways to raise money but I'm sure city clubs find it much more difficult and must be under super pressure.

Yardy Lard wrote:

teaoby wrote:Kilburn have a TAB facility if im not mistaken though.

anyway, it would be nice to see some form of salary cap say $40k a season on purely player expences. which is just over $2k a game. (i realise some teams pay close to double this) but not only would it level the playing feild in conjunction with the points system, which i think could be even tighter (15points is a lot for stable clubs) but it would also stop clubs from sending themselves broke!

Kilburn no Pokies or TAB
Seaton no Pokies or TAB
Athelstone - Yes to Pokies but no TAB
Pooraka - Yes to Pokies but no to TAB

Would be nice in an ideal world to have a 40K cap, but unfortunately too many clubs want to win a premiership and it just won't happen, as clubs pay under the table and has been going on for years. The points really is the only way to stop it - but with every league in the state on the same system and exactly the same points. The CFB absolutely must bring this in. Either exactly the same points for all leagues under the CFB banner (which is all) or not at all, Only way to get a level playing field.

Who has got more or less points?

Pehaps, a more concerning problem, is that lower positioned clubs are having to offer financial incentives to very average players.
this has a detrimental effect on the depth of higher ranked clubs and is completely at odds with what the points system was to do.
IMO set price, graded contracts are the way to go. However, there will always be a club who will forgo junior footy and club development to strive for short term success

Flipper wrote:I worry without a salary cap clubs and players might then inflate match payments.

Don't forget it takes 2 to tango. Clubs also need to be diligent and handle their $ responsibly. Christ the amount of players CBC have missed out on over the years because we have simply said no.

Would it help if we took away the pokies? This would force clubs to reduce payments and could potentially stop the mercenaries. Govt would need to offer reductions in rates etc to ease the pain of the initial loss of income stream.

The leagues (saafl, Sgl, nafa, etc) along with the community football board would then need to develop financial guidelines for the clubs and govern them.

Obviously not that simple but food for thought.

Getting rid of the pokies, in an ideal world, maybe. At the club that I am associated with, eight jobs would go on the same day.
I hark back to when pokies where first introduced, all clubs had the opportunity to apply for them, we did, and through good management,
have been successful. Yes, you will say that they take financial pressure off, but consider the following.
Paid staff numbers tripled, opening hours of club doubled,no longer eligable for sporting grants,workcover,government fees etc etc.
to be successful with pokies and TAB you have to open 12 hours aday 7 days a week. some clubs rushed out got the pokies and thought thier
problems where over, how wrong they where.

to the bigger clubs that are able to afford to pay players bigger dollars than other clubs, i say good on em.
if a club has been run very well, and has plenty of sponsors and supporters behind them (ok we know a couple make good money off pokies as well, but so what), then let them spend the money they make to make the teams in their club successful.
look at all professional teams all around the world. it's the bigger richer clubs that are all dominating. that makes sense. why should a club that's had the ability to get themselves in a good position financially and be successful on field too be punished because some other clubs can't afford what they can?
could you imagine if in the workforce you said to some of the bigger international companies "sorry, we are only letting you spend $3 million a year in salary on your workforce, we really need to make it fair for these little companies who's products are inferior"????
it seems to me some people would prefer a system where everything the club has worked for in the past in creating a successful club all counts for nothing because some "poor little club further down the division" has lost a couple of players to other teams, and can't afford to attract good recruits and sometimes, belive it or not, money isn't always the reason for these players leaving.
we need to take a chill pill on this matter i think. it's just the nature of the beast....