moral and ethical standards of players and clubs

[dee man]

moral and ethical standards should be a high priority on all clubs charters
unfortunately it seems clubs and people running clubs have a different version of what they think is the morally and ethically right way to run a club
i honestly believe that clubs have an obligation to make sure that they set the rules,disciplines,image and culture of the club
to many people in charge of clubs ignore the better good of a club and its people by the choices they make for success,sometimes very limited success
they should on top of getting the right people involved in the club by providing the right values also maintain the fact that they want to and need to expose their players to the highest competion they can achieve
winning flags in B,C,and D grade,while not taking anything away from these achievements,will never gain you promotion
when players dictate where and what side they will play in they are better off to let these players move on
if that means you loose one of your lower sides,in the end it will be for the better of the club
and to be honest,who wants want to be legends playing belowe their level to win awards and flags
to be brutely honest they mean nothing except for the low class of person who gets off on it
their will always be the guys who just want to play socially and with mates and i have no problem with that but that should be and would be a few,not the ones we are seeing now
clubs need to wake up or the final insult will be players leaving the game because of the senseless descions of a few

[double-blue]

I definitely agree with this and think something needs to be done about it. Whilst it's ok for players to play with mates it does effect the league as a whole. Nobody enjoys being beaten every week by 200 points which is what tends to happen when teams stack their lower grades.

I personally think the league should look at re-structuring the 'C' grade comp. My suggestion is that each 'C' Grade side stays in the same league as last season (regardless of A grade promotion). From here the first month of the season be used to determine rankings. Teams clearly on top of the ladder would then be put together, teams struggling at the bottom would also be put together. To stop teams stacking their team after the shuffle (ie. playing C grade then dropping down to D grade after the shuffle) you would keep your win/loss record from before the re-shuffle. They could even make the shuffle occur at the midway mark of the season after each team has played each other to make for a fairer representation of ladder position. This would mean that the teams at the bottom of the ladder potentially still having something to play for during the second half.

Now I know this proposal doesn't effect the Modbury team as they are in Div7. The league itself would need to take a stand on Div7 'C&D' grade teams and, if after a season, the D grade is clearly being stacked, place the team into the C grade competition. Having your C & D grade sides play within division 7 should be seen as a privilege and to not select your best side in an 'A' grade league is really mocking the rest of the competition.

[Footy Smart]

I definitely agree with this and think something needs to be done about it. Whilst it's ok for players to play with mates it does effect the league as a whole. Nobody enjoys being beaten every week by 200 points which is what tends to happen when teams stack their lower grades.

I personally think the league should look at re-structuring the 'C' grade comp. My suggestion is that each 'C' Grade side stays in the same league as last season (regardless of A grade promotion). From here the first month of the season be used to determine rankings. Teams clearly on top of the ladder would then be put together, teams struggling at the bottom would also be put together. To stop teams stacking their team after the shuffle (ie. playing C grade then dropping down to D grade after the shuffle) you would keep your win/loss record from before the re-shuffle. They could even make the shuffle occur at the midway mark of the season after each team has played each other to make for a fairer representation of ladder position. This would mean that the teams at the bottom of the ladder potentially still having something to play for during the second half.

Now I know this proposal doesn't effect the Modbury team as they are in Div7. The league itself would need to take a stand on Div7 'C&D' grade teams and, if after a season, the D grade is clearly being stacked, place the team into the C grade competition. Having your C & D grade sides play within division 7 should be seen as a privilege and to not select your best side in an 'A' grade league is really mocking the rest of the competition.

Can I please reiterate that the D Grade side at MFC is not being stacked.

Stacked meaning - Playing players well above standard to purely achieve success in that grade.

[kickinit]

I definitely agree with this and think something needs to be done about it. Whilst it's ok for players to play with mates it does effect the league as a whole. Nobody enjoys being beaten every week by 200 points which is what tends to happen when teams stack their lower grades.

I personally think the league should look at re-structuring the 'C' grade comp. My suggestion is that each 'C' Grade side stays in the same league as last season (regardless of A grade promotion). From here the first month of the season be used to determine rankings. Teams clearly on top of the ladder would then be put together, teams struggling at the bottom would also be put together. To stop teams stacking their team after the shuffle (ie. playing C grade then dropping down to D grade after the shuffle) you would keep your win/loss record from before the re-shuffle. They could even make the shuffle occur at the midway mark of the season after each team has played each other to make for a fairer representation of ladder position. This would mean that the teams at the bottom of the ladder potentially still having something to play for during the second half.

Now I know this proposal doesn't effect the Modbury team as they are in Div7. The league itself would need to take a stand on Div7 'C&D' grade teams and, if after a season, the D grade is clearly being stacked, place the team into the C
grade competition. Having your C & D grade sides play within division 7 should be seen as a privilege and to not select your best side in an 'A' grade league is really mocking the rest of the competition.

So from what your saying if a div 6 c grade team is sitting top of the ladder they should be placed with a div 1 c grade side sitting top of the ladder? That would never work as a c6 side would not be any where near a c1 side. I think the c grade is how it should be as you are playing against c grade sides that a grade playing in the same comp ad your a grade. Yes side do stack there c and d grade sides when there a or b grade ain't going so great which and needs to be stopped. Maybe the league needs to be looking only allowing you to drop so many players throughout the year or increase the amount of games played to qualify for finals like making it half a season.

[double-blue]

I definitely agree with this and think something needs to be done about it. Whilst it's ok for players to play with mates it does effect the league as a whole. Nobody enjoys being beaten every week by 200 points which is what tends to happen when teams stack their lower grades.

I personally think the league should look at re-structuring the 'C' grade comp. My suggestion is that each 'C' Grade side stays in the same league as last season (regardless of A grade promotion). From here the first month of the season be used to determine rankings. Teams clearly on top of the ladder would then be put together, teams struggling at the bottom would also be put together. To stop teams stacking their team after the shuffle (ie. playing C grade then dropping down to D grade after the shuffle) you would keep your win/loss record from before the re-shuffle. They could even make the shuffle occur at the midway mark of the season after each team has played each other to make for a fairer representation of ladder position. This would mean that the teams at the bottom of the ladder potentially still having something to play for during the second half.

Now I know this proposal doesn't effect the Modbury team as they are in Div7. The league itself would need to take a stand on Div7 'C&D' grade teams and, if after a season, the D grade is clearly being stacked, place the team into the C
grade competition. Having your C & D grade sides play within division 7 should be seen as a privilege and to not select your best side in an 'A' grade league is really mocking the rest of the competition.

So from what your saying if a div 6 c grade team is sitting top of the ladder they should be placed with a div 1 c grade side sitting top of the ladder? That would never work as a c6 side would not be any where near a c1 side. I think the c grade is how it should be as you are playing against c grade sides that a grade playing in the same comp ad your a grade. Yes side do stack there c and d grade sides when there a or b grade ain't going so great which and needs to be stopped. Maybe the league needs to be looking only allowing you to drop so many players throughout the year or increase the amount of games played to qualify for finals like making it half a season.

Yeah I think the first season would be hard to do based on your example, given that a Div1's C grade side is probably a lot better than a Div3's/4's etc. However once the teams are aligned it would work fairly well as each movement would be completely irrelevant of the A grade side. So the C1 competition wouldn't necessarily be the teams from C1. You could probably put a restriction that says a team can't be moved up or down too many grades (say more than 2) to stop overachieving teams being mis-matched.

I know that netball does the same thing which keeps teams from being belted each week. Again I'm not sure if it is sustainable but I would like to think the SAAFL would at least look at the concept if they haven't already. The more even the competition the more likely people are to stick around playing.

[double-blue]

I definitely agree with this and think something needs to be done about it. Whilst it's ok for players to play with mates it does effect the league as a whole. Nobody enjoys being beaten every week by 200 points which is what tends to happen when teams stack their lower grades.

I personally think the league should look at re-structuring the 'C' grade comp. My suggestion is that each 'C' Grade side stays in the same league as last season (regardless of A grade promotion). From here the first month of the season be used to determine rankings. Teams clearly on top of the ladder would then be put together, teams struggling at the bottom would also be put together. To stop teams stacking their team after the shuffle (ie. playing C grade then dropping down to D grade after the shuffle) you would keep your win/loss record from before the re-shuffle. They could even make the shuffle occur at the midway mark of the season after each team has played each other to make for a fairer representation of ladder position. This would mean that the teams at the bottom of the ladder potentially still having something to play for during the second half.

Now I know this proposal doesn't effect the Modbury team as they are in Div7. The league itself would need to take a stand on Div7 'C&D' grade teams and, if after a season, the D grade is clearly being stacked, place the team into the C grade competition. Having your C & D grade sides play within division 7 should be seen as a privilege and to not select your best side in an 'A' grade league is really mocking the rest of the competition.

Can I please reiterate that the D Grade side at MFC is not being stacked.

Stacked meaning - Playing players well above standard to purely achieve success in that grade.

Whilst I understand your point of view, the results within the grades tell another story.

[Jabber]

I think what I'm about to say is a bit harsh, but what I'm reading here is typical of the current social and working climate these days, where when its too hard others should do something about it instead of you fixing the problem yourself.

Your team is being belted, so do you a) attempt to gain players, acquire the skill set required, train your guys out, practice your deficiencies, or do you b) whinge, bitch and moan until big brother puts you in an environment where your not getting belted anymore.

Life invariably is not fair, neither is every grade of footy in saafl.

[The Informer]

I definitely agree with this and think something needs to be done about it. Whilst it's ok for players to play with mates it does effect the league as a whole. Nobody enjoys being beaten every week by 200 points which is what tends to happen when teams stack their lower grades.

I personally think the league should look at re-structuring the 'C' grade comp. My suggestion is that each 'C' Grade side stays in the same league as last season (regardless of A grade promotion). From here the first month of the season be used to determine rankings. Teams clearly on top of the ladder would then be put together, teams struggling at the bottom would also be put together. To stop teams stacking their team after the shuffle (ie. playing C grade then dropping down to D grade after the shuffle) you would keep your win/loss record from before the re-shuffle. They could even make the shuffle occur at the midway mark of the season after each team has played each other to make for a fairer representation of ladder position. This would mean that the teams at the bottom of the ladder potentially still having something to play for during the second half.

Now I know this proposal doesn't effect the Modbury team as they are in Div7. The league itself would need to take a stand on Div7 'C&D' grade teams and, if after a season, the D grade is clearly being stacked, place the team into the C grade competition. Having your C & D grade sides play within division 7 should be seen as a privilege and to not select your best side in an 'A' grade league is really mocking the rest of the competition.

Can I please reiterate that the D Grade side at MFC is not being stacked.

Stacked meaning - Playing players well above standard to purely achieve success in that grade.

I think from the results and from what i saw when i watched a game, there is quite a few players playing D Grade for Modbury who could quite easy play in the C grade.

i think it is a case of a few not wanting to bust there arse for the club and take the easy way out.

[double-blue]

I think what I'm about to say is a bit harsh, but what I'm reading here is typical of the current social and working climate these days, where when its too hard others should do something about it instead of you fixing the problem yourself.

Your team is being belted, so do you a) attempt to gain players, acquire the skill set required, train your guys out, practice your deficiencies, or do you b) whinge, bitch and moan until big brother puts you in an environment where your not getting belted anymore.

Life invariably is not fair, neither is every grade of footy in saafl.

True, although the reality is that not all people are blessed with the same skills. They play for their local club and are picked in the worst grade due to the lack of skills - yet come up against players that are a lot better than themselves (now whether this is because the opposition team is stacking a team or because they are a strong club is irrelevant). Regardless of how hard they train they will never be good enough to match it.

Of course there is always going to someone on the bottom of the ladder, however take a look at every C grade league, there is a team on the bottom of the ladder with no wins and over 1,000 points kicked against - surely this is beyond 'not fair'. If the SAAFL is serious about helping clubs out then they would be better served in trying to even this competition. I don't know how many of these players are likely to stick around after being belted week in and week out. All of a sudden a team can't field a C grade the following season which results in 1/3 of their subs income gone.

Life is not fair, however this does not mean you have to sit on top of the ladder and look at those less fortunate below without helping.

[woodublieve12]

I think what I'm about to say is a bit harsh, but what I'm reading here is typical of the current social and working climate these days, where when its too hard others should do something about it instead of you fixing the problem yourself.

Your team is being belted, so do you a) attempt to gain players, acquire the skill set required, train your guys out, practice your deficiencies, or do you b) whinge, bitch and moan until big brother puts you in an environment where your not getting belted anymore.

Life invariably is not fair, neither is every grade of footy in saafl.

True, although the reality is that not all people are blessed with the same skills. They play for their local club and are picked in the worst grade due to the lack of skills - yet come up against players that are a lot better than themselves (now whether this is because the opposition team is stacking a team or because they are a strong club is irrelevant). Regardless of how hard they train they will never be good enough to match it.

Of course there is always going to someone on the bottom of the ladder, however take a look at every C grade league, there is a team on the bottom of the ladder with no wins and over 1,000 points kicked against - surely this is beyond 'not fair'. If the SAAFL is serious about helping clubs out then they would be better served in trying to even this competition. I don't know how many of these players are likely to stick around after being belted week in and week out. All of a sudden a team can't field a C grade the following season which results in 1/3 of their subs income gone.

Life is not fair, however this does not mean you have to sit on top of the ladder and look at those less fortunate below without helping.

i cant agree with you there mate... if your not good enough to compete with the top sides how is it the winning sides problem? no other side ive played who has belted us on the park ever gave me sympathy and nor have i returned it.

i thimk there should be a promotion/relegation system in the c grade divisions just like the A/B grade level... each club has the opportunity at the start of the season to nominate there side for a C grade division...

[heater31]

Stacked meaning - Playing players well above standard to purely achieve success in that grade.

Well said. I recall a few years ago the club I was playing for was accused of stacking when in reality we played with the same team all year. This club had a joke of a third side and a bloke took on the role of coach. Recruited a heap of mates as did a couple of other players and the coach donated his payments to the players. This bought beers and after match 'entertainment' on several occasions and built a very strong culture. The sides above us were struggling and when the President used his contacts to get some high profile 'guest' players there were blokes coming from everywhere wanting a game. 2 weeks later they had disappeared and when some of us were asked to double up again like we had in previous weeks we refused because we had a shot at finals thus leaving the 2's very short. In the end it blew up in our face because they team we defeated to get into the finals had the league investigate us and it was found we had a player who had played all year with incorrect paperwork.

The next season a new seconds coach was appointed and he upset the apple cart by having all these new ideas and game plans and wanting to decimate the culture from the previous season by taking several players leaving this team short of players. This created a situation where mates were separated from playing together and in the end quitting football because of this. The new game plans were clearly not working, people were unwilling to train and commit to the club therefore frustrating the coach and forcing him to create double standards. I for one had a run in with the coach and when I wasn't allowed the right of reply to certain on field accusations I stopped caring.

The final straw was about 8 weeks later when he was on public record saying that certain conditions must be met to be selected for the weekend and clearly several players did not meet those conditions. I played in the thirds that week got BOG and it dawned on me that 2 weeks previous to that I had felt much better around game time because I was so far removed from Football due a family issue. I stopped playing the next week.


Needless to say this Coach only lasted 2 seasons and I think now doesn't attend many games because his own son is unable to play every week due to work

[BenchedEagle]

moral and ethical standards should be a high priority on all clubs charters
unfortunately it seems clubs and people running clubs have a different version of what they think is the morally and ethically right way to run a club
i honestly believe that clubs have an obligation to make sure that they set the rules,disciplines,image and culture of the club
to many people in charge of clubs ignore the better good of a club and its people by the choices they make for success,sometimes very limited success
they should on top of getting the right people involved in the club by providing the right values also maintain the fact that they want to and need to expose their players to the highest competion they can achieve
winning flags in B,C,and D grade,while not taking anything away from these achievements,will never gain you promotion
when players dictate where and what side they will play in they are better off to let these players move on
if that means you loose one of your lower sides,in the end it will be for the better of the club
and to be honest,who wants want to be legends playing belowe their level to win awards and flags
to be brutely honest they mean nothing except for the low class of person who gets off on it
their will always be the guys who just want to play socially and with mates and i have no problem with that but that should be and would be a few,not the ones we are seeing now
clubs need to wake up or the final insult will be players leaving the game because of the senseless descions of a few

I can think of the perfect example of they type of guy your talking about. We all know his name. How a bloke can cheerfully get up and claim his D grade League Medals every 2nd year lacks the personal qualitys i respect in a bloke. At his worst hes a B grader at his club.

[BenchedEagle]

moral and ethical standards should be a high priority on all clubs charters
unfortunately it seems clubs and people running clubs have a different version of what they think is the morally and ethically right way to run a club
i honestly believe that clubs have an obligation to make sure that they set the rules,disciplines,image and culture of the club
to many people in charge of clubs ignore the better good of a club and its people by the choices they make for success,sometimes very limited success
they should on top of getting the right people involved in the club by providing the right values also maintain the fact that they want to and need to expose their players to the highest competion they can achieve
winning flags in B,C,and D grade,while not taking anything away from these achievements,will never gain you promotion
when players dictate where and what side they will play in they are better off to let these players move on
if that means you loose one of your lower sides,in the end it will be for the better of the club
and to be honest,who wants want to be legends playing belowe their level to win awards and flags
to be brutely honest they mean nothing except for the low class of person who gets off on it
their will always be the guys who just want to play socially and with mates and i have no problem with that but that should be and would be a few,not the ones we are seeing now
clubs need to wake up or the final insult will be players leaving the game because of the senseless descions of a few

I can think of the perfect example of they type of guy your talking about. We all know his name. How a bloke can cheerfully get up and claim his D grade League Medals every 2nd year lacks the personal qualitys i respect in a bloke. At his worst hes a B grader at his club.

[finn]

I think what I'm about to say is a bit harsh, but what I'm reading here is typical of the current social and working climate these days, where when its too hard others should do something about it instead of you fixing the problem yourself.

Your team is being belted, so do you a) attempt to gain players, acquire the skill set required, train your guys out, practice your deficiencies, or do you b) whinge, bitch and moan until big brother puts you in an environment where your not getting belted anymore.

Life invariably is not fair, neither is every grade of footy in saafl.

True, although the reality is that not all people are blessed with the same skills. They play for their local club and are picked in the worst grade due to the lack of skills - yet come up against players that are a lot better than themselves (now whether this is because the opposition team is stacking a team or because they are a strong club is irrelevant). Regardless of how hard they train they will never be good enough to match it.

Of course there is always going to someone on the bottom of the ladder, however take a look at every C grade league, there is a team on the bottom of the ladder with no wins and over 1,000 points kicked against - surely this is beyond 'not fair'. If the SAAFL is serious about helping clubs out then they would be better served in trying to even this competition. I don't know how many of these players are likely to stick around after being belted week in and week out. All of a sudden a team can't field a C grade the following season which results in 1/3 of their subs income gone.

Life is not fair, however this does not mean you have to sit on top of the ladder and look at those less fortunate below without helping.

i cant agree with you there mate... if your not good enough to compete with the top sides how is it the winning sides problem? no other side ive played who has belted us on the park ever gave me sympathy and nor have i returned it.

i thimk there should be a promotion/relegation system in the c grade divisions just like the A/B grade level... each club has the opportunity at the start of the season to nominate there side for a C grade division...

Clubs were given the opportunity to implement a relegation/promotion system in the c divisions but those clubs supporting it were outvoted by those clubs wishing to play in reflected divisions with the chance to play triple headers. Until this attitude changes team's c grades may find themselves out of kilter with talent pools in the competition.

As a coach in a club that has many teams and therefore many players I've seen this supposed moral and ethical dilemma firsthand and I'm pretty sure the challenges involved can only really be understood by clubs with multiple teams. Many players means a greater pool of players to choose from and simple bell curves will show you that the majority of these will smack bang in the middle ability wise with some being good and some being bad. This however increases the depth of a club meaning that the 15-22 ability wise players may actually be better than those previously selected.

Upper grade coaches want to reward those players who do a pre-season, train twice a week and do the right things. For some people, football is nothing more than a diversion - realistically if they're prepared to pay for the privilege of playing why should they be singled out? If people can't train at all for work reasons why should be picked above those who are doing the right thing by the club coaches philosophy and standards?

Lower grade coaches such as myself have to work on building other attractive aspects of a team to attract players - and especially in clubs with five or above teams - you don't train together so you may not actually even recognise players. Without a core of returning players there is no ability to gel, there's no ability to bond and numbers dwindle as people like the known, especially in a game that revolves the ability to know how people play. This then leads to reduced teams and club which no-one involved in football wishes.

Its very easy to blame a supposed lack of care on behalf of the players and say its a reflection of a wider societal malaise but football is up against any number of other activities - and as many people have pointed out in other threads - its better that people are playing than not.

I'd say that treatment of umpires, cheap shots and general onfield violence is much more worthy of beinmg made a moral and ethical problem than the fact that some people are playing out of their depth.

[lutz]

I can think of the perfect example of they type of guy your talking about. We all know his name. How a bloke can cheerfully get up and claim his D grade League Medals every 2nd year lacks the personal qualitys i respect in a bloke. At his worst hes a B grader at his club.

I think i know who you're taling about Duncs, and up until the last year or so were the worst at stacking their D grade team.

Finn, your D grade would have beaten your C grade a couple of years ago, and was an absolute joke... something has changed the last year or two, and the change in attitude is being rewarded with more success than previously.

[morell]

I definitely agree with this and think something needs to be done about it. Whilst it's ok for players to play with mates it does effect the league as a whole. Nobody enjoys being beaten every week by 200 points which is what tends to happen when teams stack their lower grades.

I personally think the league should look at re-structuring the 'C' grade comp. My suggestion is that each 'C' Grade side stays in the same league as last season (regardless of A grade promotion). From here the first month of the season be used to determine rankings. Teams clearly on top of the ladder would then be put together, teams struggling at the bottom would also be put together. To stop teams stacking their team after the shuffle (ie. playing C grade then dropping down to D grade after the shuffle) you would keep your win/loss record from before the re-shuffle. They could even make the shuffle occur at the midway mark of the season after each team has played each other to make for a fairer representation of ladder position. This would mean that the teams at the bottom of the ladder potentially still having something to play for during the second half.

Now I know this proposal doesn't effect the Modbury team as they are in Div7. The league itself would need to take a stand on Div7 'C&D' grade teams and, if after a season, the D grade is clearly being stacked, place the team into the C grade competition. Having your C & D grade sides play within division 7 should be seen as a privilege and to not select your best side in an 'A' grade league is really mocking the rest of the competition.

Can I please reiterate that the D Grade side at MFC is not being stacked.

Stacked meaning - Playing players well above standard to purely achieve success in that grade.

That is a very effective and political way of of spinning, or perhaps avoiding the criticism. I like it Footy Smart.

However, Modbury FC might not be intentionally stacking their D Grade, using that definition, but they are absolutely picking players in their D's (at the players request) that are more than capable and really should be playing in the higher grades, whilst at the same time those higher grades are getting pumped, week in, week out.

I don't blame the MFC, they have been put in an awkward position by a group of blokes that in all honesty I don't think anyone has much respect for as football people, however, I do think the MFC could be a bit stronger and ardent in their selection policy as well - which I am led to believe will be happening next year "play where you're picked" in other words.

This was my post in the Div 7 thread:

Thanks to the Modbury C Grade for a good day, good bunch of blokes and went in hard all day. I have seperated out the C Grade because I am going to have a bit of a crack at their D Grade.

Have a look in the mirror you blokes, the guys that are clearly capable of playing in their C Grade or higher I mean. Beating up on teams who are not competing at your standard whilst your club mates are in turn getting flogged is pretty poor form at best and cowardly at worst.

I can understand wanting to play with your mates, or having one last season with some seasoned veterans (like SHOC D Grade) but half of the Modbury D Grade would be 25 or under and have plenty of football ahead of them. Take the top 10 players from the D Grade and replace the bottom 10 from the C Grade and I reckon they would be more than competitive.

When you have players in the C Grade saying things like "they don't give a ****" and "they just want to always win and have it easy" and "to be honest I am sick of it, so frustrating" to their opposition you have a cultural problem.

If I was at Modbury I would pick the best side, and if any player didn't want to turn up then seeya later. Might hurt short term but it would set a standard and culture that would set the club up for future success in the lower grades.

Apologies for sticking my nose in but I really felt for the blokes in the C Grade on Saturday.

[Blacks130]

moral and ethical standards should be a high priority on all clubs charters
unfortunately it seems clubs and people running clubs have a different version of what they think is the morally and ethically right way to run a club
i honestly believe that clubs have an obligation to make sure that they set the rules,disciplines,image and culture of the club
to many people in charge of clubs ignore the better good of a club and its people by the choices they make for success,sometimes very limited success
they should on top of getting the right people involved in the club by providing the right values also maintain the fact that they want to and need to expose their players to the highest competion they can achieve
winning flags in B,C,and D grade,while not taking anything away from these achievements,will never gain you promotion
when players dictate where and what side they will play in they are better off to let these players move on
if that means you loose one of your lower sides,in the end it will be for the better of the club
and to be honest,who wants want to be legends playing belowe their level to win awards and flags
to be brutely honest they mean nothing except for the low class of person who gets off on it
their will always be the guys who just want to play socially and with mates and i have no problem with that but that should be and would be a few,not the ones we are seeing now
clubs need to wake up or the final insult will be players leaving the game because of the senseless descions of a few

Well said

[Tony Clifton]

Disagree completely with the thread.

It is fantastic now getting to play triple headers where it is club vs club in the A's, B's and C's.

From what I've seen this season generally speaking the strong clubs are strong throughout all the grades, the weak clubs struggle in all the grades.

Clubs stacking their C Grade is a minor problem and coming up with a separate promotion/relegation system just for the C's would create more difficulties than it solves.

[TEX07]

How is where and what grade someone plays a game of football at an extremely amateur level an indication of their moral or ethical standards? Seriously, I am one of those players who this season is stating where I would prefer to play and I give you the strong tip I sleep well at night in terms of my personal morals and ethics. I have been asked to play at a C grade level from our C grade coach and I have said I would prefer to stay in the D grade. The same has been asked of possibly one or two others and the C grade coach has respected our wishes. In our instance I guarantee you that in any given week we could swap our entire C grade side from the week before and play our D grade side there and the results would be the same regardless. To think that any club would be sitting in the board room on a Thursday night saying, lets play our best side in the D grade to get at least one flag is ridiculous. Pretty sure if we are lucky enough to get one in our D grade this year but we end up getting relegated to Div4 we will focus on that result rather than the D grade win. I pay to play football. I choose to play D grade with my mates. We beat Modbury's D grade in a GF in 08 when I was playing C grade, they were strong then and I think most of those good players are still playing in the same grade now?

[Choccies]

moral and ethical standards should be a high priority on all clubs charters
unfortunately it seems clubs and people running clubs have a different version of what they think is the morally and ethically right way to run a club
i honestly believe that clubs have an obligation to make sure that they set the rules,disciplines,image and culture of the club. Correct
to many people in charge of clubs ignore the better good of a club and its people by the choices they make for success,sometimes very limited success
they should on top of getting the right people involved in the club by providing the right values also maintain the fact that they want to and need to expose their players to the highest competion they can achieve How do you suggest getting the 'right' people involved in a club when it's hard enough simply getting people involved fullstop ?
winning flags in B,C,and D grade,while not taking anything away from these achievements,will never gain you promotion Really ??? What does this statement mean ? Does this mean clubs shouldn't about any other grade than A grade ?
when players dictate where and what side they will play in they are better off to let these players move on. Agree. But surely a player knows better than anyone that their body or committment levels don't auger well for playing higher grades ?
if that means you loose one of your lower sides,in the end it will be for the better of the club How ??
and to be honest,who wants want to be legends playing belowe their level to win awards and flags So anyone who has won an award or flag is instantly playing 'below their level' and not just a talented player in a good team ? Disagree.
to be brutely honest they mean nothing except for the low class of person who gets off on it
their will always be the guys who just want to play socially and with mates and i have no problem with that Apparentely you do but that should be and would be a few,not the ones we are seeing now
clubs need to wake up or the final insult will be players leaving the game because of the senseless descions of a few