SA Footy

I have noticed that the SAAFL have come up with a new section on their website this season which posts all the best players from the sunday mail for each division and have called it the fotoball.com.au player of the year.
This in itself is a great initiative and i think it has plenty of potential.
However, not all clubs put there 'best' players in every week, with some clubs rotating around the best players to keep the opposition guessing on who's been playing well this season and in other cases putting players in there to encourage those who have played there best game for the season.
Whilst other clubs have spectators doing the best players who wouldnt have the slightest clue on what each players role was on that specific day (in respect to taggers,run-with players etc)
On the flip side, if a side has a player who is leading with 3-4 games to go, the club can name him best on ground for the next few weeks to further his lead, making a mockery of the award.

Just an idea.
What if this award took a leaf out of the AFL Coaches MVP award and had coaches voting?
Maybe instead of getting the coaches to vote on their own best players, coaches vote for the oppostions best 3,4 or 5 players for the day?
This would give the award alot more merit whilst giving other opposition coaches a heads up on who was actually in the 'best players' on the day.

Great Idea IMO

i also think its a super idea, but do coaches have enough on there plate to worry about game day without this?

good idea but whos going to collate all the information and make sure its done by 100% of the coaches

It may sound like extra work for the coaches, but most coaches have a spare couple of minutes to reflect on the game and nominate the oppositions best players. And if someone else is entering in the best players on behalf of the coach, thats ok, aslong as the coach agrees with the nominated players.

scrappy1 wrote:It may sound like extra work for the coaches, but most coaches have a spare couple of minutes to reflect on the game and nominate the oppositions best players. And if someone else is entering in the best players on behalf of the coach, thats ok, aslong as the coach agrees with the nominated players.

Thats okay if you're not the one entering the data on iScore - its a pain in the arse when you just want to relax and have a beer after the day's game!!

Mr Beefy wrote:

scrappy1 wrote:It may sound like extra work for the coaches, but most coaches have a spare couple of minutes to reflect on the game and nominate the oppositions best players. And if someone else is entering in the best players on behalf of the coach, thats ok, aslong as the coach agrees with the nominated players.

Thats okay if you're not the one entering the data on iScore - its a pain in the arse when you just want to relax and have a beer after the day's game!!

agreed!!!

zedman wrote:good idea but whos going to collate all the information and make sure its done by 100% of the coaches

I'm sure each individual coach would ensure he picks the players and they are entered correctly. After all, his reputation would be on the line if it became obvious he was just picking random names for the hell of it.

If done properly, an award like this could potentially overtake the Association Medal as far as the regard it is held in by the players goes, IMO - much like the coaches MVP in the AFL...

S Demon wrote:

zedman wrote:good idea but whos going to collate all the information and make sure its done by 100% of the coaches

I'm sure each individual coach would ensure he picks the players and they are entered correctly. After all, his reputation would be on the line if it became obvious he was just picking random names for the hell of it.

If done properly, an award like this could potentially overtake the Association Medal as far as the regard it is held in by the players goes, IMO - much like the coaches MVP in the AFL...

has some merrit to it for sure but couldnt take over the medal, the problem is if you give a player a task to play on the oppositions say best player or a guy that is kicking bags week after week,and in your opinion the guy you gave the task to beats that player,and you think cause of the job his done for the team he would get best at your awards, would the opposition coach think the same way i think not,he would more than likely think his gun has just had a bad game. to me the guy that has had 30 touches and kicked a couple of goals would still be notice by opposition coach.im not a fan the way its done at the moment cause lets face it pick 1 player from your side give him best in paper every week and he wins it.

As a coach, the last thing i'd care about is the opposition knowing who my best players are. If other coaches are picking publicised best players to supposedly fool opposition teams, good luck to them - it only takes remembering previous occasions to know who drives the team. The advantage to be gained in such petty games is miniscule as most teams' players are known across the board
I pick my best players based on who has done the job on the day; it quickly becomes apparent if a certain player is being tagged or targetted and changes made accordingly. If the opposition coach wants help in selecting, fine but I don't know if their plan was to break even in a certain position or not, I don't know whether a particular player has played well above their normal standard, and, frankly I don't really care.

finn wrote:As a coach, the last thing i'd care about is the opposition knowing who my best players are. If other coaches are picking publicised best players to supposedly fool opposition teams, good luck to them - it only takes remembering previous occasions to know who drives the team. The advantage to be gained in such petty games is miniscule as most teams' players are known across the board
I pick my best players based on who has done the job on the day; it quickly becomes apparent if a certain player is being tagged or targetted and changes made accordingly. If the opposition coach wants help in selecting, fine but I don't know if their plan was to break even in a certain position or not, I don't know whether a particular player has played well above their normal standard, and, frankly I don't really care.

well said

finn wrote:As a coach, the last thing i'd care about is the opposition knowing who my best players are. If other coaches are picking publicised best players to supposedly fool opposition teams, good luck to them - it only takes remembering previous occasions to know who drives the team. The advantage to be gained in such petty games is miniscule as most teams' players are known across the board
I pick my best players based on who has done the job on the day; it quickly becomes apparent if a certain player is being tagged or targetted and changes made accordingly. If the opposition coach wants help in selecting, fine but I don't know if their plan was to break even in a certain position or not, I don't know whether a particular player has played well above their normal standard, and, frankly I don't really care.

"FOTO" BALL? Izzat right?

As far as knowing who played well for the opposition, you don't have to be Einstein to work it out. Normally you know as a player or coach during the game who's tearing you up for whatever reason.

As a coach I listed the opposition top 5 in order for 'next time' anyway and then as part of my match day prep I used that for matchups, strengths, weaknesses.

gadj1976 wrote:"FOTO" BALL? Izzat right?

As far as knowing who played well for the opposition, you don't have to be Einstein to work it out. Normally you know as a player or coach during the game who's tearing you up for whatever reason.

As a coach I listed the opposition top 5 in order for 'next time' anyway and then as part of my match day prep I used that for matchups, strengths, weaknesses.

Job done, enter them in I-score and we have a "Coaches MVP Award" at the end of the year. Not that difficult I don't reckon

finn wrote:As a coach, the last thing i'd care about is the opposition knowing who my best players are. If other coaches are picking publicised best players to supposedly fool opposition teams, good luck to them - it only takes remembering previous occasions to know who drives the team. The advantage to be gained in such petty games is miniscule as most teams' players are known across the board
I pick my best players based on who has done the job on the day; it quickly becomes apparent if a certain player is being tagged or targetted and changes made accordingly. If the opposition coach wants help in selecting, fine but I don't know if their plan was to break even in a certain position or not, I don't know whether a particular player has played well above their normal standard, and, frankly I don't really care.

It's not about other coaches knowing your best players or you helping him pick his best players, its about YOU picking the oppositions best players based on who you believe did the most damage against you

I agree with Robran and don't think it should take over the association medal.
Leave it as it is, even if umpires of all people nominate the 3,2,1's.
I personally believe that the AFL coaches MVP and AFLPA MVP are more respected awards then any media awards.
Winning an individual award that is nominated by coaches or players in your division would be more satisfying, then winning the current award which can be easily rigged.
Im not sure if this is how it all works at the moment.
But doesn't the current format require you to enter the match result and your best players for the day by a certain time anyway?
If so, i dont see how it would be anymore of a hassle for the coach to put his top 5 oppostion players.
As it 'should' take the same time to enter as the current format.
And if there are fears of coaches rigging it, why not have the leader board visible up to round 9, then hide the results and announce the winner after round 18?

finn wrote:As a coach, the last thing i'd care about is the opposition knowing who my best players are. If other coaches are picking publicised best players to supposedly fool opposition teams, good luck to them - it only takes remembering previous occasions to know who drives the team. The advantage to be gained in such petty games is miniscule as most teams' players are known across the board
I pick my best players based on who has done the job on the day; it quickly becomes apparent if a certain player is being tagged or targetted and changes made accordingly. If the opposition coach wants help in selecting, fine but I don't know if their plan was to break even in a certain position or not, I don't know whether a particular player has played well above their normal standard, and, frankly I don't really care.

Very well said

finn wrote:As a coach, the last thing i'd care about is the opposition knowing who my best players are. If other coaches are picking publicised best players to supposedly fool opposition teams, good luck to them - it only takes remembering previous occasions to know who drives the team. The advantage to be gained in such petty games is miniscule as most teams' players are known across the board
I pick my best players based on who has done the job on the day; it quickly becomes apparent if a certain player is being tagged or targetted and changes made accordingly. If the opposition coach wants help in selecting, fine but I don't know if their plan was to break even in a certain position or not, I don't know whether a particular player has played well above their normal standard, and, frankly I don't really care.

That was a good read.

Scenario
Team gets pumped 18 games by 20 goal-30 goals,they have 1 good stand out player in their team most weeks.
The player scores nearly every week 4-5 votes winning the so called Mvp
A side gets thrashed everyweek yet their best player is the the competitions Mvp.
I think not

And believe me it happens

Bradman wrote:Scenario
Team gets pumped 18 games by 20 goal-30 goals,they have 1 good stand out player in their team most weeks.
The player scores nearly every week 4-5 votes winning the so called Mvp
A side gets thrashed everyweek yet their best player is the the competitions Mvp.
I think not

And believe me it happens

I cant believe you're still dirty at the Ingle Farm player getting votes against us last year!!! Let it go