SAAFL Div 2 2008

[Always Mobile]

The Gordon issue may be similar to what has happened at PNU recently. After having clearances knocked back for Novi Palmer from an Adelaide Hills club, it had to be resolved at the SANFL tribunal and he will finially play his first game for the Falcons this weekend. Seemed to be a big hassel to go through for a young bloke who just wanted to play footy closer to home.

There's another issue here, what is it about the Athlestone FC that has a recent recruit supposedly on a fair quid wanting to leave after a short period of time. Somebody said on a recent post that it happened to them last year as well. Perhaps the real issue here is not about Gordon but maybe the big sell Raggies put on when recruiting isn't delivered when all is said and done.... Worth a thought and if there's anything too it, beware potential recruits. Anyway, as I've said before if a club wants to lie down with dogs it'll get fleas.

How about athelstone stop winging about players leaving there club. It happens everywhere and to every club. When you throw around money things like this are likely to happen.
Surely after what happened last year they would have learnt there lesson. Holding back a clearance will only hamper future
players signing with there club. On occasions players just dont like playing ay a particular club. What benefit will they get from making him play for them. His heart wont be in it and they will pay him the money. If he was a bad bloke he could hang around all year play like shit and take his money every week and then walk out at the end of the year with bad reports about the club. Let him leave and move on. Then all parties are happy. At the end of all this one player is not going to make the difference between athelstone winning the flag or not.

[Inflight]

The Gordon issue may be similar to what has happened at PNU recently. After having clearances knocked back for Novi Palmer from an Adelaide Hills club, it had to be resolved at the SANFL tribunal and he will finially play his first game for the Falcons this weekend. Seemed to be a big hassel to go through for a young bloke who just wanted to play footy closer to home.

There's another issue here, what is it about the Athlestone FC that has a recent recruit supposedly on a fair quid wanting to leave after a short period of time. Somebody said on a recent post that it happened to them last year as well. Perhaps the real issue here is not about Gordon but maybe the big sell Raggies put on when recruiting isn't delivered when all is said and done.... Worth a thought and if there's anything too it, beware potential recruits. Anyway, as I've said before if a club wants to lie down with dogs it'll get fleas.

How about athelstone stop winging about players leaving there club. It happens everywhere and to every club. When you throw around money things like this are likely to happen.
Surely after what happened last year they would have learnt there lesson. Holding back a clearance will only hamper future
players signing with there club. On occasions players just dont like playing ay a particular club. What benefit will they get from making him play for them. His heart wont be in it and they will pay him the money. If he was a bad bloke he could hang around all year play like s***t and take his money every week and then walk out at the end of the year with bad reports about the club. Let him leave and move on. Then all parties are happy. At the end of all this one player is not going to make the difference between athelstone winning the flag or not.

Raggies could wait for Big Brother evictions and pick up the "midget" -that would set the forward lines and the showers alight- For Chrissake move on guys

[Rotter]

The Gordon issue may be similar to what has happened at PNU recently. After having clearances knocked back for Novi Palmer from an Adelaide Hills club, it had to be resolved at the SANFL tribunal and he will finially play his first game for the Falcons this weekend. Seemed to be a big hassel to go through for a young bloke who just wanted to play footy closer to home.

There's another issue here, what is it about the Athlestone FC that has a recent recruit supposedly on a fair quid wanting to leave after a short period of time. Somebody said on a recent post that it happened to them last year as well. Perhaps the real issue here is not about Gordon but maybe the big sell Raggies put on when recruiting isn't delivered when all is said and done.... Worth a thought and if there's anything too it, beware potential recruits. Anyway, as I've said before if a club wants to lie down with dogs it'll get fleas.

How about athelstone stop winging about players leaving there club. It happens everywhere and to every club. When you throw around money things like this are likely to happen.
Surely after what happened last year they would have learnt there lesson. Holding back a clearance will only hamper future
players signing with there club. On occasions players just dont like playing ay a particular club. What benefit will they get from making him play for them. His heart wont be in it and they will pay him the money. If he was a bad bloke he could hang around all year play like s***t and take his money every week and then walk out at the end of the year with bad reports about the club. Let him leave and move on. Then all parties are happy. At the end of all this one player is not going to make the difference between athelstone winning the flag or not.

Raggies could wait for Big Brother evictions and pick up the "midget" -that would set the forward lines and the showers alight- For Chrissake move on guys

Inflight, It's a relatively new subject and ongoing for that matter so I'd say it'll die a natural death when and if it's resolved. I'd suggest if you're not happy with the content of this post you should move on.

[Blacks130]

wow....that's a tough call. Fair enough to not make it easy for the bloke but surely they wouldn't refuse to clear him all year...surely. What purpose would it serve?

You have to sympathize a bit with Athelstone. Its the second year in a row they've recruited a gun forward and they've jumped ship (Remember Joel Brown from Uraidla last year?). I dont blame them for playing hardball to be honest. Although I have no idea what Gordon is on if you believe what is posted on this forum then he must be getting paid reasonably well. This money could have been used to recruit another quality player. Good on the club for setting a precedent. You cant go jumping ship during the season. If you go to a new club and don't enjoy it (Unless they are exceptional circumstances) then you just have to gut it out for rest of the season.

I dont feel sorry for them one little bit.... i have no sympathy for clubs that try and buy premierships. getting players who are club men to play for the gurnesy is how you do it.

Not in this day and age Blues man. Those days are over. You are obviously an Adelaide Uni man? Div 3 for them next year.

And what football institution are you drawing your vast knowledge from. What a load of crap, "not this day and age", bloody embarrassing even reading it let alone believing it fool. Blues08 has a far greater grip on what qualities are needed and wanted for a club to survive and prosper than the crap you just came up with. If that's how his club operates I'd say it has a far greater chance of success than whatever club you endorse as being up to date with current principles and again what is that club.

[The Big Shrek]

Uni aren't exactly proving ted wrong Blacks130.

[finn]

Uni aren't exactly proving ted wrong Blacks130.

a team can only win - a win is a win etc.
see what happens against athelstone

[Blacks130]

Uni aren't exactly proving ted wrong Blacks130.

Aren't we????.

[Blues08]

Anything interesting come from this weekend just gone???

[The Big Shrek]

Uni aren't exactly proving ted wrong Blacks130.

Aren't we????.

Your first 3 weeks haven't been very impressive. As we've mentioned already there are other reasons and "incentives" for people to play for Uni, they don't just turn 18, move to town and reveal their inherent love of the Blacks. I don't think Uni will be relegated again but they will be a div 2/3 team in the future.

Blues08 is flat out lying. After trying to recruit Jolly I can tell you that he is very loyal to his club, but the loyalty doesn't come for free. He is payed well for his servies as he should be. To say Gunning is playing for nothing after he got BOG at the City v Country game is ludicrous. Modbury would have not hesitated to throw some coin his way.

[Orts]

Jolly is the heart and soul of the Modbury footy club. I'm sure he plays for less than his market rate but I would be surprised if he doesnt get paid. He certainly deserves to be paid.

On the other hand, there is no doubt whatsoever that Gunning is getting paid and I would be most surprised if he isnt getting paid very well.

At the end of the day though, who cares. Every club in Div 2 has players on the pay roll (they just make varied efforts at concealing the fact) and there are plenty of high profile examples of clubs trying to buy premierships and failing.

If you are paying mercenaries who have no attachment to the club, you wont be successful.

On the other hand a guy like Gunning is a great fit at Modbury seeing he is such good mates with Vassal who played his junior footy out there...

[Blacks130]

Uni aren't exactly proving ted wrong Blacks130.

Aren't we????.

Your first 3 weeks haven't been very impressive. As we've mentioned already there are other reasons and "incentives" for people to play for Uni, they don't just turn 18, move to town and reveal their inherent love of the Blacks. I don't think Uni will be relegated again but they will be a div 2/3 team in the future.

No you're right, I can't deny it anymore, we're doomed.

Can I just ask you to look in to your crystal ball and tell me when this will be evident?????

Will we ever enjoy Div1 status again????

Which other clubs will succumb to this new cut throat environment????

How did the smart clubs ever predict the government would raise the levy on alcohol which in other venues will mean a downturn in patronage and the subsequent income derived from that and therefore place at risk club security.

How did they ever predict the rise in interest rates for the next 3 years and what did they do to have their players, members and more importantly sponsors immune from the adverse effects of this????

I don't care what impression you've given in your previous posts, you are definitely not an idiot

[Blues08]

Blues08 is flat out lying. After trying to recruit Jolly I can tell you that he is very loyal to his club, but the loyalty doesn't come for free. He is payed well for his servies as he should be. To say Gunning is playing for nothing after he got BOG at the City v Country game is ludicrous. Modbury would have not hesitated to throw some coin his way.[/quote]


OK i have since found out that i was incorrect re: payments of players. but infact the amounts stated by other people were totally incorrect $500 was said to be what vassal was getting when infact that amount would almost cover the total of what vassal and gunning are getting paid.

never the less player payments are major topic of all clubs and there are other players at modbury that could get coin elswehere but dont due to being club men.

[Teflon_Coated]

There's something to be said for the term 'dizzy heights'. There are a couple of Raggie local players who have stayed true to the club for some time now that are not exactly happy about the figures being handed out especially after having turned down lucrative deals themselves to stay on with the raggies. White is rotating through the midfield with Grossman.

[Footy Chick]

There's something to be said for the term 'dizzy heights'. There are a couple of Raggie local players who have stayed true to the club for some time now that are not exactly happy about the figures being handed out especially after having turned down lucrative deals themselves to stay on with the raggies. White is rotating through the midfield with Grossman.

Considering everything that is happening out Raggies way, I was impressed they got that close. Could indicate they'll still be around the mark. One man doth not maketh the team..

Unlike us, we're ALMOST bad..

[Blues08]

There's something to be said for the term 'dizzy heights'. There are a couple of Raggie local players who have stayed true to the club for some time now that are not exactly happy about the figures being handed out especially after having turned down lucrative deals themselves to stay on with the raggies. White is rotating through the midfield with Grossman.

Considering everything that is happening out Raggies way, I was impressed they got that close. Could indicate they'll still be around the mark. One man doth not maketh the team..

Unlike us, we're ALMOST bad..

Modbury were up by 7 -10 twice in the game then took the foot off the accelator which wasnt a good sign and they have done it every game except Edwardstown. Grossman and white were good but the hawks need to not stop and start to play 4 quarters not 30 mins of football

[Footy Chick]

Modbury were up by 7 -10 twice in the game then took the foot off the accelator which wasnt a good sign and they have done it every game except Edwardstown. the hawks need to not stop and start to play 4 quarters not 30 mins of football

fitness issue or a over-confidence issue?

[Blues08]

Modbury were up by 7 -10 twice in the game then took the foot off the accelator which wasnt a good sign and they have done it every game except Edwardstown. the hawks need to not stop and start to play 4 quarters not 30 mins of football

fitness issue or a over-confidence issue?

Not fitness more concentration takes a while to snap back in after half time. but im sure when it comes down to it they will be on the ball.

[The Big Shrek]

Uni aren't exactly proving ted wrong Blacks130.

Aren't we????.

Your first 3 weeks haven't been very impressive. As we've mentioned already there are other reasons and "incentives" for people to play for Uni, they don't just turn 18, move to town and reveal their inherent love of the Blacks. I don't think Uni will be relegated again but they will be a div 2/3 team in the future.

No you're right, I can't deny it anymore, we're doomed.

Can I just ask you to look in to your crystal ball and tell me when this will be evident?????

Will we ever enjoy Div1 status again????

Which other clubs will succumb to this new cut throat environment????

How did the smart clubs ever predict the government would raise the levy on alcohol which in other venues will mean a downturn in patronage and the subsequent income derived from that and therefore place at risk club security.

How did they ever predict the rise in interest rates for the next 3 years and what did they do to have their players, members and more importantly sponsors immune from the adverse effects of this????

I don't care what impression you've given in your previous posts, you are definitely not an idiot

Not sure what your point is buddy. Ted was just saying that you can't field a top tier amateur side with guys that play for free. I agreed with him and used Uni as an example.

I believe Uni will become like the college teams who have limited ability to pay players and sit around the div 2 mark. Uni's fortunes will rest on the strength of their networking but I doubt they will be competitive with the other clubs at attracting the star players required to be a good div 1 team. Players just expect money these days because almost everyone is on some.

Most clubs still fork out plenty of cash for players so I'm not sure about your alcohol levy and interest rate point.

[portpower]

If clubs are relying on RTD drink sales to pay players I wish them all the best with their endeavours.......

[Blacks130]

Most clubs still fork out plenty of cash for players so I'm not sure about your alcohol levy and interest rate point.

My point is clubs are enjoying a renaissance due to excess spending within the community at the moment but that will due to many external influences slow up as the economy corrects itself. When this happens, the first expense an organisation pulls back in is sponsorship and entertainment so if you think suburban clubs are going to be able to rely on the current level of income gained through sponsorships you're kidding yourself. I really can't be arsed debating you on how the proposed alcohol levy in particular is going to affect clubs but it won't be confined to RTD's as someone else suggested, it'll be wide spread by the years end. Do you really think clubs will be immune from taxes and interest rate rises. Where do you think the money to pay players comes from, organisations that have to pay bills are going to place priority for those small matters before they worry about making sure any mercenary get their fill. Uni aren't the only club going to have to reassess how it must stay competitive.