SAAFL Division 2 2013

[piccachu]

Modbury have not made finals with the current coach have they? They have been struggling the last three years at least to be consistently competetive in D2. Without knowing the goings on MFC real well, and with all due respect to Jolly, I would be endorsing change at the Hawks. Get a new coach in, bring in some new players. If you keep doing the same thing, you're going to get the same result.

All well and good to say this Lutz but its much easier said than done, would be very difficult as a new coach to come in to a club and be expected to bring in new players with a very small budget, Since i have been playing against Modbury Jolly has been by far there best player, even though he is starting to get older i think i would be right in saying most other clubs would still identify him as Modburys most influencial player. would be a very tough gig being a playing coach and he would need to have a lot of faith in his assistants, in my oppinion as soon as Jolly parts way with Modbury for what ever reason, it will be the clubs loss

[lutz]

Modbury have not made finals with the current coach have they? They have been struggling the last three years at least to be consistently competetive in D2. Without knowing the goings on MFC real well, and with all due respect to Jolly, I would be endorsing change at the Hawks. Get a new coach in, bring in some new players. If you keep doing the same thing, you're going to get the same result.

All well and good to say this Lutz but its much easier said than done, would be very difficult as a new coach to come in to a club and be expected to bring in new players with a very small budget, Since i have been playing against Modbury Jolly has been by far there best player, even though he is starting to get older i think i would be right in saying most other clubs would still identify him as Modburys most influencial player. would be a very tough gig being a playing coach and he would need to have a lot of faith in his assistants, in my oppinion as soon as Jolly parts way with Modbury for what ever reason, it will be the clubs loss

No reason he couldn't still play there Piccachu. Much like Smitheram at District's, or Thornton at Portland.

[piccachu]

No reason he couldn't still play there Piccachu. Much like Smitheram at District's, or Thornton at Portland.

i know Thornton wasnt pushed hence why he stuck around and i was of the oppinion Smitheram was the same, things may have been different if they were shown the door?

[Cohiba]

If Modbury were to be relegated would this be the end of one of the club legends' coaching career??

Wouldn't of thought so, has lost too much cattle over the past couple of years, to the extent where a new era dawns at the MFC. I would have thought that what they have achieved over the past 12 years, most clubs would be pretty proud of. Went down around 96-97 from Div 1 to Div 2 and the majority of A Grade walked. That saw them go down year after year to Div 5. Then the junior program of MFC saw a particular good group of players come through and the climb continued all the way to Div 1, where unfortunately they only lasted a year, despite I think winning 6 games. Have been back in Div 2 for 3 years I think, but gradually that strong junior group have gotten old, injured, chased money elsewhere and hence the struggles this year. There are not too many players / clubman who have put what Jol's has into a single club. To think that MFC have achieved all this with a budget probably 1/4 of most amateur clubs is admirable and reflects well on the structure of the club.
There is talk of the return of a few talented senior players next year to help the club out, so time will tell, but with the U18's currently top, the next group of juniors is coming through. If that keeps the club in Div 2 / 3, then the club will be stronger for it.

There are more than a few clubs that have ridden that "rollercoaster" and there is no doubting the contribution that Jolly has made on and off the field... Great Club Man. But I agree with others.. Returning players, good crop of Junior coming through, relegation to an "easier" comp to rebuild the side.....it may be time to consider a clean sweep....There is no disrespect to Jolly.....just a changing of the guard..... As for your "budget" you may be in the know....but I think "most" of those "other" Amateur Clubs might just question your claim of being at the bottom end of the financial ladder so to speak. If the club's financial statement a matter of public record it would simple enough validate the claim....

[Bulls forever]

If Modbury were to be relegated would this be the end of one of the club legends' coaching career??

Wouldn't of thought so, has lost too much cattle over the past couple of years, to the extent where a new era dawns at the MFC. I would have thought that what they have achieved over the past 12 years, most clubs would be pretty proud of. Went down around 96-97 from Div 1 to Div 2 and the majority of A Grade walked. That saw them go down year after year to Div 5. Then the junior program of MFC saw a particular good group of players come through and the climb continued all the way to Div 1, where unfortunately they only lasted a year, despite I think winning 6 games. Have been back in Div 2 for 3 years I think, but gradually that strong junior group have gotten old, injured, chased money elsewhere and hence the struggles this year. There are not too many players / clubman who have put what Jol's has into a single club. To think that MFC have achieved all this with a budget probably 1/4 of most amateur clubs is admirable and reflects well on the structure of the club.
There is talk of the return of a few talented senior players next year to help the club out, so time will tell, but with the U18's currently top, the next group of juniors is coming through. If that keeps the club in Div 2 / 3, then the club will be stronger for it.

There are more than a few clubs that have ridden that "rollercoaster" and there is no doubting the contribution that Jolly has made on and off the field... Great Club Man. But I agree with others.. Returning players, good crop of Junior coming through, relegation to an "easier" comp to rebuild the side.....it may be time to consider a clean sweep....There is no disrespect to Jolly.....just a changing of the guard..... As for your "budget" you may be in the know....but I think "most" of those "other" Amateur Clubs might just question your claim of being at the bottom end of the financial ladder so to speak. If the club's financial statement a matter of public record it would simple enough validate the claim....

Ah, the old money thing hey, unfortunately for you I am in the know, since Vassal and Gunning left, Vas to play league footy and Gunning doing the money merry go round as everyone knows, they pay winning games. If you did your homework you would see that they have had no imports that demand a quid, there is a reason for this if you think long and hard about it. Their absolute core group of players, ie Richards, Stanton, Hoffs are MFC juniors. The players that left Williams, Jarman x 2, Mitchell x 2, Vanders, Davey were all MFC juniors. You obviously know nothing about the equal oldest club in SA (TTG is the other) and the structure they have through their sporting club. As you brought this up, I have absolute no doubt that MFC is the lowest paying club in the top 2 divisions and you could probably throw in a couple of other divisions as well. I know that GG certainly pay more than MFC. If you got your hands on the financial statement of the Modbury Sporting Club and the MFC, which incidently are on public record you could work it out yourself. If you don't want to do the miles, then you have no option but to theorise with your beliefs.

You brought up rebuild, I never mentioned it, the simple fact is they don't have the players (or money) to stay in Div 2, next year will tell whether they have the next group to stay in Div 3.

The absolute most important thing is the MFC continues to survive and hopefully thrive, sport in the north east would be poorer without them, or any of the other clubs up this way. There is healthy rivalry, but also healthy respect.

[Bulls forever]

Modbury have not made finals with the current coach have they? They have been struggling the last three years at least to be consistently competetive in D2. Without knowing the goings on MFC real well, and with all due respect to Jolly, I would be endorsing change at the Hawks. Get a new coach in, bring in some new players. If you keep doing the same thing, you're going to get the same result.

All well and good to say this Lutz but its much easier said than done, would be very difficult as a new coach to come in to a club and be expected to bring in new players with a very small budget, Since i have been playing against Modbury Jolly has been by far there best player, even though he is starting to get older i think i would be right in saying most other clubs would still identify him as Modburys most influencial player. would be a very tough gig being a playing coach and he would need to have a lot of faith in his assistants, in my oppinion as soon as Jolly parts way with Modbury for what ever reason, it will be the clubs loss

Jols, like his father will never part ways with MFC. There are not many players around who played league footy, did a knee and came back through playing Div 4 footy. The family bleeds Brown and Gold and I am sure Jamie Thomas - el Pres, if the time comes, will ensure that they remain legends of our footy club.

[Cohiba]

Wouldn't of thought so, has lost too much cattle over the past couple of years, to the extent where a new era dawns at the MFC. I would have thought that what they have achieved over the past 12 years, most clubs would be pretty proud of. Went down around 96-97 from Div 1 to Div 2 and the majority of A Grade walked. That saw them go down year after year to Div 5. Then the junior program of MFC saw a particular good group of players come through and the climb continued all the way to Div 1, where unfortunately they only lasted a year, despite I think winning 6 games. Have been back in Div 2 for 3 years I think, but gradually that strong junior group have gotten old, injured, chased money elsewhere and hence the struggles this year. There are not too many players / clubman who have put what Jol's has into a single club. To think that MFC have achieved all this with a budget probably 1/4 of most amateur clubs is admirable and reflects well on the structure of the club.
There is talk of the return of a few talented senior players next year to help the club out, so time will tell, but with the U18's currently top, the next group of juniors is coming through. If that keeps the club in Div 2 / 3, then the club will be stronger for it.

There are more than a few clubs that have ridden that "rollercoaster" and there is no doubting the contribution that Jolly has made on and off the field... Great Club Man. But I agree with others.. Returning players, good crop of Junior coming through, relegation to an "easier" comp to rebuild the side.....it may be time to consider a clean sweep....There is no disrespect to Jolly.....just a changing of the guard..... As for your "budget" you may be in the know....but I think "most" of those "other" Amateur Clubs might just question your claim of being at the bottom end of the financial ladder so to speak. If the club's financial statement a matter of public record it would simple enough validate the claim....

Ah, the old money thing hey, unfortunately for you I am in the know, since Vassal and Gunning left, Vas to play league footy and Gunning doing the money merry go round as everyone knows, they pay winning games. If you did your homework you would see that they have had no imports that demand a quid, there is a reason for this if you think long and hard about it. Their absolute core group of players, ie Richards, Stanton, Hoffs are MFC juniors. The players that left Williams, Jarman x 2, Mitchell x 2, Vanders, Davey were all MFC juniors. You obviously know nothing about the equal oldest club in SA (TTG is the other) and the structure they have through their sporting club. As you brought this up, I have absolute no doubt that MFC is the lowest paying club in the top 2 divisions and you could probably throw in a couple of other divisions as well. I know that GG certainly pay more than MFC. If you got your hands on the financial statement of the Modbury Sporting Club and the MFC, which incidently are on public record you could work it out yourself. If you don't want to do the miles, then you have no option but to theorise with your beliefs.

You brought up rebuild, I never mentioned it, the simple fact is they don't have the players (or money) to stay in Div 2, next year will tell whether they have the next group to stay in Div 3.

The absolute most important thing is the MFC continues to survive and hopefully thrive, sport in the north east would be poorer without them, or any of the other clubs up this way. There is healthy rivalry, but also healthy respect.

If you read it again sunshine you will see that I said "you may well be in know".....and as you seem to suggest you are.... well hooray for you and thanks for clearing that up.....Nothing unfortunate about that......

Tell me....on what basis have you no doubt that you are the lowest paying club in Divs 1 and 2 and beyond.

Also was I meant to know about the history of the MFC (and TTG)...more to point.... do I care.....but thanks for the history lesson I didn't ask for.... .
As for rebuilding... usually when senior players return and juniors push through for senior selection particularly in light of the fact that relegation is all but a certainty... people may surmise that could be a club re building a side ..... you don't see it that way.....there is no right or wrong ..so what's your point... I have said nothing disrespectful about the MFC or anyone there....but if you want to be superior about it and gives you a "stiffy"....fill your boots laddie and enjoy.....

[Mr Butterworth]

Is Tim davey playing this year?

[lutz]

Wouldn't of thought so, has lost too much cattle over the past couple of years, to the extent where a new era dawns at the MFC. I would have thought that what they have achieved over the past 12 years, most clubs would be pretty proud of. Went down around 96-97 from Div 1 to Div 2 and the majority of A Grade walked. That saw them go down year after year to Div 5. Then the junior program of MFC saw a particular good group of players come through and the climb continued all the way to Div 1, where unfortunately they only lasted a year, despite I think winning 6 games. Have been back in Div 2 for 3 years I think, but gradually that strong junior group have gotten old, injured, chased money elsewhere and hence the struggles this year. There are not too many players / clubman who have put what Jol's has into a single club. To think that MFC have achieved all this with a budget probably 1/4 of most amateur clubs is admirable and reflects well on the structure of the club.
There is talk of the return of a few talented senior players next year to help the club out, so time will tell, but with the U18's currently top, the next group of juniors is coming through. If that keeps the club in Div 2 / 3, then the club will be stronger for it.

There are more than a few clubs that have ridden that "rollercoaster" and there is no doubting the contribution that Jolly has made on and off the field... Great Club Man. But I agree with others.. Returning players, good crop of Junior coming through, relegation to an "easier" comp to rebuild the side.....it may be time to consider a clean sweep....There is no disrespect to Jolly.....just a changing of the guard..... As for your "budget" you may be in the know....but I think "most" of those "other" Amateur Clubs might just question your claim of being at the bottom end of the financial ladder so to speak. If the club's financial statement a matter of public record it would simple enough validate the claim....

Ah, the old money thing hey, unfortunately for you I am in the know, since Vassal and Gunning left, Vas to play league footy and Gunning doing the money merry go round as everyone knows, they pay winning games. If you did your homework you would see that they have had no imports that demand a quid, there is a reason for this if you think long and hard about it. Their absolute core group of players, ie Richards, Stanton, Hoffs are MFC juniors. The players that left Williams, Jarman x 2, Mitchell x 2, Vanders, Davey were all MFC juniors. You obviously know nothing about the equal oldest club in SA (TTG is the other) and the structure they have through their sporting club. As you brought this up, I have absolute no doubt that MFC is the lowest paying club in the top 2 divisions and you could probably throw in a couple of other divisions as well. I know that GG certainly pay more than MFC. If you got your hands on the financial statement of the Modbury Sporting Club and the MFC, which incidently are on public record you could work it out yourself. If you don't want to do the miles, then you have no option but to theorise with your beliefs.

You brought up rebuild, I never mentioned it, the simple fact is they don't have the players (or money) to stay in Div 2, next year will tell whether they have the next group to stay in Div 3.

The absolute most important thing is the MFC continues to survive and hopefully thrive, sport in the north east would be poorer without them, or any of the other clubs up this way. There is healthy rivalry, but also healthy respect.

If you read it again sunshine you will see that I said "you may well be in know".....and as you seem to suggest you are.... well hooray for you and thanks for clearing that up.....Nothing unfortunate about that......

Tell me....on what basis have you no doubt that you are the lowest paying club in Divs 1 and 2 and beyond.

Also was I meant to know about the history of the MFC (and TTG)...more to point.... do I care.....but thanks for the history lesson I didn't ask for.... .
As for rebuilding... usually when senior players return and juniors push through for senior selection particularly in light of the fact that relegation is all but a certainty... people may surmise that could be a club re building a side ..... you don't see it that way.....there is no right or wrong ..so what's your point... I have said nothing disrespectful about the MFC or anyone there....but if you want to be superior about it and gives you a "stiffy"....fill your boots laddie and enjoy.....

I also query this. They could well be, but don't think the likes of Uni, SMOSH, Portland or SHOC pay too much either.

[Cash 123]

If Modbury were to be relegated would this be the end of one of the club legends' coaching career??

Wouldn't of thought so, has lost too much cattle over the past couple of years, to the extent where a new era dawns at the MFC. I would have thought that what they have achieved over the past 12 years, most clubs would be pretty proud of. Went down around 96-97 from Div 1 to Div 2 and the majority of A Grade walked. That saw them go down year after year to Div 5. Then the junior program of MFC saw a particular good group of players come through and the climb continued all the way to Div 1, where unfortunately they only lasted a year, despite I think winning 6 games. Have been back in Div 2 for 3 years I think, but gradually that strong junior group have gotten old, injured, chased money elsewhere and hence the struggles this year. There are not too many players / clubman who have put what Jol's has into a single club. To think that MFC have achieved all this with a budget probably 1/4 of most amateur clubs is admirable and reflects well on the structure of the club.
There is talk of the return of a few talented senior players next year to help the club out, so time will tell, but with the U18's currently top, the next group of juniors is coming through. If that keeps the club in Div 2 / 3, then the club will be stronger for it.

There are more than a few clubs that have ridden that "rollercoaster" and there is no doubting the contribution that Jolly has made on and off the field... Great Club Man. But I agree with others.. Returning players, good crop of Junior coming through, relegation to an "easier" comp to rebuild the side.....it may be time to consider a clean sweep....There is no disrespect to Jolly.....just a changing of the guard..... As for your "budget" you may be in the know....but I think "most" of those "other" Amateur Clubs might just question your claim of being at the bottom end of the financial ladder so to speak. If the club's financial statement a matter of public record it would simple enough validate the claim....

Ah, the old money thing hey, unfortunately for you I am in the know, since Vassal and Gunning left, Vas to play league footy and Gunning doing the money merry go round as everyone knows, they pay winning games. If you did your homework you would see that they have had no imports that demand a quid, there is a reason for this if you think long and hard about it. Their absolute core group of players, ie Richards, Stanton, Hoffs are MFC juniors. The players that left Williams, Jarman x 2, Mitchell x 2, Vanders, Davey were all MFC juniors. You obviously know nothing about the equal oldest club in SA (TTG is the other) and the structure they have through their sporting club. As you brought this up, I have absolute no doubt that MFC is the lowest paying club in the top 2 divisions and you could probably throw in a couple of other divisions as well. I know that GG certainly pay more than MFC. If you got your hands on the financial statement of the Modbury Sporting Club and the MFC, which incidently are on public record you could work it out yourself. If you don't want to do the miles, then you have no option but to theorise with your beliefs.

You brought up rebuild, I never mentioned it, the simple fact is they don't have the players (or money) to stay in Div 2, next year will tell whether they have the next group to stay in Div 3.

The absolute most important thing is the MFC continues to survive and hopefully thrive, sport in the north east would be poorer without them, or any of the other clubs up this way. There is healthy rivalry, but also healthy respect.

well they have only won one game so must have some cash in reserve

[lutz]

Ah, the old money thing hey, unfortunately for you I am in the know, since Vassal and Gunning left, Vas to play league footy and Gunning doing the money merry go round as everyone knows, they pay winning games. If you did your homework you would see that they have had no imports that demand a quid, there is a reason for this if you think long and hard about it. Their absolute core group of players, ie Richards, Stanton, Hoffs are MFC juniors. The players that left Williams, Jarman x 2, Mitchell x 2, Vanders, Davey were all MFC juniors. You obviously know nothing about the equal oldest club in SA (TTG is the other) and the structure they have through their sporting club. As you brought this up, I have absolute no doubt that MFC is the lowest paying club in the top 2 divisions and you could probably throw in a couple of other divisions as well. I know that GG certainly pay more than MFC. If you got your hands on the financial statement of the Modbury Sporting Club and the MFC, which incidently are on public record you could work it out yourself. If you don't want to do the miles, then you have no option but to theorise with your beliefs.

You brought up rebuild, I never mentioned it, the simple fact is they don't have the players (or money) to stay in Div 2, next year will tell whether they have the next group to stay in Div 3.

The absolute most important thing is the MFC continues to survive and hopefully thrive, sport in the north east would be poorer without them, or any of the other clubs up this way. There is healthy rivalry, but also healthy respect.

well they have only won one game so must have some cash in reserve

haha yea if they're not winning games then they would have the lowest budget

[The Big Shrek]

SMOSH pay bucketloads.

[InTheChair]

SMOSH pay bucketloads.

Yep I know of 4-5 guys down there on 400-500 a week. Won't mention any names but their on ball brigade is a start. Hint hint. However bit rich coming from someone from Kilburn

[lutz]

SMOSH pay bucketloads.

Yep I know of 4-5 guys down there on 400-500 a week. Won't mention any names but their on ball brigade is a start. Hint hint. However bit rich coming from someone from Kilburn

This could be your first post not referring to No Mercy, InTheChair haha

[piccachu]

Yep I know of 4-5 guys down there on 400-500 a week. Won't mention any names but their on ball brigade is a start. Hint hint. However bit rich coming from someone from Kilburn

Surely SMOSH are not paying 4-5 players that kind of Money, Dont get me wrong Charlie Rae and Matthew Gates are probably worth that kind of money but i couldnt see them getting it at SMOSH,

And the Likes of Port Pizza and Cibich have been there for years so would doubt they are on that kind of money, appart from them i couldnt see anyone else being worth anywere near that kind of money there.

[Footy Chick]

Port Pizza .

[The Big Shrek]

SMOSH pay bucketloads.

Yep I know of 4-5 guys down there on 400-500 a week. Won't mention any names but their on ball brigade is a start. Hint hint. However bit rich coming from someone from Kilburn

And even richer coming from someone from Seaton!

[Cash 123]

Yep I know of 4-5 guys down there on 400-500 a week. Won't mention any names but their on ball brigade is a start. Hint hint. However bit rich coming from someone from Kilburn

Surely SMOSH are not paying 4-5 players that kind of Money, Dont get me wrong Charlie Rae and Matthew Gates are probably worth that kind of money but i couldnt see them getting it at SMOSH,

And the Likes of Port Pizza and Cibich have been there for years so would doubt they are on that kind of money, appart from them i couldnt see anyone else being worth anywere near that kind of money there.

think again picca

[lutz]

Yep I know of 4-5 guys down there on 400-500 a week. Won't mention any names but their on ball brigade is a start. Hint hint. However bit rich coming from someone from Kilburn

Surely SMOSH are not paying 4-5 players that kind of Money, Dont get me wrong Charlie Rae and Matthew Gates are probably worth that kind of money but i couldnt see them getting it at SMOSH,

And the Likes of Port Pizza and Cibich have been there for years so would doubt they are on that kind of money, appart from them i couldnt see anyone else being worth anywere near that kind of money there.

think again picca

Who else at SMOSH would be on >$400 do you think Cash 123?

[wristwatcher]

Trent Hancock would be on more than that a game if he played