Re: Ch9AFL Division 1 - 2017
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Please don't get Jo172 started on the College clubs point system set up
jo172 wrote:You're correct that the vast majority of blokes it's their first senior club and as such are zeroes anywhere. Where the Colleges perhaps see the benefit of these zero pointers are the ones whose first senior club is in the SANFL/AFL and as such would be worth significant points upon their return to the C9AFL (unless they are zero pointers to their Old Colls/Junior Club).
My suspicion is that each Old Colls Club has a handful of these, but as these blokes generally have the higher profile, they tend to grate more.
Trader wrote:jo172 wrote:You're correct that the vast majority of blokes it's their first senior club and as such are zeroes anywhere. Where the Colleges perhaps see the benefit of these zero pointers are the ones whose first senior club is in the SANFL/AFL and as such would be worth significant points upon their return to the C9AFL (unless they are zero pointers to their Old Colls/Junior Club).
My suspicion is that each Old Colls Club has a handful of these, but as these blokes generally have the higher profile, they tend to grate more.
Is there some way to confirm this number? Are players points available to the public in sportingpulse or some other system?
I would guess that the numbers of these guys at college sides wouldn't be far off the number of guys in a similar boat returning to a "district" club where they played juniors.
jo172 wrote:Which is essentially where the debate lies in that should Old Collegian clubs be entitled to the same discount junior clubs are.
jnr8 wrote:I still would still suggest that these college teams have too much of an advantage
These college teams have the biggest advantage ever
Trader wrote:Interestingly you describe it as the same...jo172 wrote:Which is essentially where the debate lies in that should Old Collegian clubs be entitled to the same discount junior clubs are.
FWIW I agree it's the same thing.
What surprises me is others that say its an advantage...jnr8 wrote:I still would still suggest that these college teams have too much of an advantage
These college teams have the biggest advantage ever
jo172 wrote:You're correct that the vast majority of blokes it's their first senior club and as such are zeroes anywhere. Where the Colleges perhaps see the benefit of these zero pointers are the ones whose first senior club is in the SANFL/AFL and as such would be worth significant points upon their return to the C9AFL (unless they are zero pointers to their Old Colls/Junior Club).
My suspicion is that each Old Colls Club has a handful of these, but as these blokes generally have the higher profile, they tend to grate more.
Look Good In Leather wrote:jo172 wrote:You're correct that the vast majority of blokes it's their first senior club and as such are zeroes anywhere. Where the Colleges perhaps see the benefit of these zero pointers are the ones whose first senior club is in the SANFL/AFL and as such would be worth significant points upon their return to the C9AFL (unless they are zero pointers to their Old Colls/Junior Club).
My suspicion is that each Old Colls Club has a handful of these, but as these blokes generally have the higher profile, they tend to grate more.
It is escalated when the player was originally "recruited" to the college on a scholarship due to their football ability.
Not too many district clubs recruiting junior players with anything like that I should think.
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Clubs are voting on Monday week whether they want exactly the same salary cap conditions as our country cousins
jo172 wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:jo172 wrote:You're correct that the vast majority of blokes it's their first senior club and as such are zeroes anywhere. Where the Colleges perhaps see the benefit of these zero pointers are the ones whose first senior club is in the SANFL/AFL and as such would be worth significant points upon their return to the C9AFL (unless they are zero pointers to their Old Colls/Junior Club).
My suspicion is that each Old Colls Club has a handful of these, but as these blokes generally have the higher profile, they tend to grate more.
It is escalated when the player was originally "recruited" to the college on a scholarship due to their football ability.
Not too many district clubs recruiting junior players with anything like that I should think.
I think scholarships make up a very small minority.
Having said that, query whether the TPPS rules should extend to make past payments a "football payment" (rather than merely payments that season).
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:jo172 wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:jo172 wrote:You're correct that the vast majority of blokes it's their first senior club and as such are zeroes anywhere. Where the Colleges perhaps see the benefit of these zero pointers are the ones whose first senior club is in the SANFL/AFL and as such would be worth significant points upon their return to the C9AFL (unless they are zero pointers to their Old Colls/Junior Club).
My suspicion is that each Old Colls Club has a handful of these, but as these blokes generally have the higher profile, they tend to grate more.
It is escalated when the player was originally "recruited" to the college on a scholarship due to their football ability.
Not too many district clubs recruiting junior players with anything like that I should think.
I think scholarships make up a very small minority.
Having said that, query whether the TPPS rules should extend to make past payments a "football payment" (rather than merely payments that season).
What percentage of say PNU's u16s/18s go to their old scholars club after school finishes up ? I'd think you retain a fair whack no?
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:16's is a hard grade to keep those kids.
I know when my kids were playing at Fitzroy all the Blackfriars kids stayed with their club, pretty sure Broadview are the same. A couple drifted over to the Old Scholars after a couple of years but not many.
jo172 wrote:Sheik Yerbouti wrote:16's is a hard grade to keep those kids.
I know when my kids were playing at Fitzroy all the Blackfriars kids stayed with their club, pretty sure Broadview are the same. A couple drifted over to the Old Scholars after a couple of years but not many.
My suspicion is that the relative gradings of the clubs (quite reasonably) plays a part in the players decision. Broadly speaking PNU juniors who go to colleges are sprinkled around PAC, SPSC, Rostrevor, Pembroke and St Ignatius which all have bloody strong D1 or D2 Old Colls sides.
I imagine Walkerville get it worse, to the extent they don't fill an U16 side.
jo172 wrote:Sheik Yerbouti wrote:16's is a hard grade to keep those kids.
I know when my kids were playing at Fitzroy all the Blackfriars kids stayed with their club, pretty sure Broadview are the same. A couple drifted over to the Old Scholars after a couple of years but not many.
My suspicion is that the relative gradings of the clubs (quite reasonably) plays a part in the players decision. Broadly speaking PNU juniors who go to colleges are sprinkled around PAC, SPSC, Rostrevor, Pembroke and St Ignatius which all have bloody strong D1 or D2 Old Colls sides.
I imagine Walkerville get it worse, to the extent they don't fill an U16 side.
jo172 wrote:From what I understand if you look into the not too distant past it was compulsory to play for Uni while enrolled? Ditto Teachers College?
I know my old man was forced to play lacrosse for Uni rather than his club side
Jimmy_041 wrote:jo172 wrote:From what I understand if you look into the not too distant past it was compulsory to play for Uni while enrolled? Ditto Teachers College?
I know my old man was forced to play lacrosse for Uni rather than his club side
Not sure about that.....
But some very good Uni footballers weren't Bloched from getting into the degrees they wanted
You did have to be a a Teachers College student to play for the Penguins and leave when you'd graduated
Jimmy_041 wrote:jo172 wrote:From what I understand if you look into the not too distant past it was compulsory to play for Uni while enrolled? Ditto Teachers College?
I know my old man was forced to play lacrosse for Uni rather than his club side
Not sure about that.....
But some very good Uni footballers weren't Bloched from getting into the degrees they wanted
You did have to be a a Teachers College student to play for the Penguins and leave when you'd graduated