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marbles wrote:Missing the point. Such calibre players like this are happy with a measly 400? Why come to this league when they can get plenty more elsewhere

Did the league choose this salary cap themselves or was it forced upon them

Clubs chose to have a lower salary cap than the other CFL leagues (albeit when the choice was initially made it was on the belief that the other CFL leagues would have the same salary cap in 2017). Nevertheless the Clubs have confirmed the lower salary cap.

I maintain the strangest thing being that the salary cap is the same in D1 through to D7. That Adelaide Uni/PAOC's C Graders play the economic equivalent to their A Grades strikes me as a bit perverse.

marbles wrote:Missing the point. Such calibre players like this are happy with a measly 400? Why come to this league when they can get plenty more elsewhere

Did the league choose this salary cap themselves or was it forced upon them

You're always going to get more money in the country than you would in Adelaide.
$400 is still a lot of money.
Not every player is interested in travelling once or twice a week for that extra cash.

North Eastern Football League Salisbury North Hay, Callum Pending 2016-11-01

Those life bans aren't what they used to be

carey wrote:S/North have lost a few already with no signings in.

Nason to Centrals
Weetra to Para Hills
Michael Eichner to Southern Eagles on fair coin and
Nick Pape, Paul Drieman, Paul Radway and Sonny Greagen all to Bute.

How did you come about that?

bird of prey wrote:

marbles wrote:Missing the point. Such calibre players like this are happy with a measly 400? Why come to this league when they can get plenty more elsewhere

Did the league choose this salary cap themselves or was it forced upon them

You're always going to get more money in the country than you would in Adelaide.
$400 is still a lot of money.
Not every player is interested in travelling once or twice a week for that extra cash.

Yea but most are and as a result this league shrinks deflates of calibre and all the old scholars clubs rise to div 1 (in time)

marbles wrote:

bird of prey wrote:

marbles wrote:Missing the point. Such calibre players like this are happy with a measly 400? Why come to this league when they can get plenty more elsewhere

Did the league choose this salary cap themselves or was it forced upon them

You're always going to get more money in the country than you would in Adelaide.
$400 is still a lot of money.
Not every player is interested in travelling once or twice a week for that extra cash.

Yea but most are and as a result this league shrinks deflates of calibre and all the old scholars clubs rise to div 1 (in time)

That's why if you work hard on promoting your juniors, you will always have a steady flow of good players coming through. Then when those players who have left you want to return to the city, they'll come back in as 0 pointers.
As soon as clubs realise that, it won't be just the college sides reaping the benefits. It'll be the ones that have a strong & relatively loyal culture the whole way though.

bird of prey wrote:

marbles wrote:

bird of prey wrote:

marbles wrote:Missing the point. Such calibre players like this are happy with a measly 400? Why come to this league when they can get plenty more elsewhere

Did the league choose this salary cap themselves or was it forced upon them

You're always going to get more money in the country than you would in Adelaide.
$400 is still a lot of money.
Not every player is interested in travelling once or twice a week for that extra cash.

Yea but most are and as a result this league shrinks deflates of calibre and all the old scholars clubs rise to div 1 (in time)

That's why if you work hard on promoting your juniors, you will always have a steady flow of good players coming through. Then when those players who have left you want to return to the city, they'll come back in as 0 pointers.
As soon as clubs realise that, it won't be just the college sides reaping the benefits. It'll be the ones that have a strong & relatively loyal culture the whole way though.

TTG are a pretty good example of someone who is already there

Like country clubs we should be allowed 1 marquee player too. Then theres no advantage all is well and we'll see superstars playing in c9afl rather than in gsfl or wherever. And when u have 1 or more sanfl/afl gun at your club admirers spectators high calibre mates and even kids follow

Example look what brian lake did to that vic club now 2016 premiers

Brett ebert would quite possibly be playing ammos instead of driving to goolwa

In all honesty I would get rid of maximum payments/marquee players altogether (admittedly I don't really care for TPPS)

If a club wants to pay their whole cap to one bloke good luck to them. It's not like the AFL where the players have collectively bargained for a minimum wage. Rather a somewhat patronizing measure the CFL seems to want to use to save clubs from themselves

bird of prey wrote:

marbles wrote:

bird of prey wrote:

marbles wrote:Missing the point. Such calibre players like this are happy with a measly 400? Why come to this league when they can get plenty more elsewhere

Did the league choose this salary cap themselves or was it forced upon them

You're always going to get more money in the country than you would in Adelaide.
$400 is still a lot of money.
Not every player is interested in travelling once or twice a week for that extra cash.

Yea but most are and as a result this league shrinks deflates of calibre and all the old scholars clubs rise to div 1 (in time)

That's why if you work hard on promoting your juniors, you will always have a steady flow of good players coming through. Then when those players who have left you want to return to the city, they'll come back in as 0 pointers.
As soon as clubs realise that, it won't be just the college sides reaping the benefits. It'll be the ones that have a strong & relatively loyal culture the whole way though.

Very difficult to build juniors overnight. Takes time and a lot of effort. College sides have an extreme advantage.

Well clubs like Broadview have had juniors for a very long time. Why do I see sons of Broadview legends playing for other clubs?
I have been involved with PAOC for 40 years and in this last 7 years, I have never seen a group of people work harder to cultivate their juniors into joining the old scholars club. Never. Many of those players are zero pointers for both old scholars and a district side.

The difference between now and 20 years ago is some district clubs can't go out and spend a zillion $ to buy a new team every year.

Did the league choose this salary cap themselves or was it forced upon them[/quote]
You're always going to get more money in the country than you would in Adelaide.
$400 is still a lot of money.
Not every player is interested in travelling once or twice a week for that extra cash.[/quote]

Yea but most are and as a result this league shrinks deflates of calibre and all the old scholars clubs rise to div 1 (in time)[/quote]
That's why if you work hard on promoting your juniors, you will always have a steady flow of good players coming through. Then when those players who have left you want to return to the city, they'll come back in as 0 pointers.
As soon as clubs realise that, it won't be just the college sides reaping the benefits. It'll be the ones that have a strong & relatively loyal culture the whole way though.[/quote]

Very difficult to build juniors overnight. Takes time and a lot of effort. College sides have an extreme advantage.[/quote]

What, do you think there is a magic potion that turns struggling clubs into powerhouses over night? It does take time. That's the point.
Where were PAC and SPOC 10 years ago? SHOC have kind of come and gone and come again. Rocs have kind of been around the mark, but never been considered a powerhouse.
Are goodwood a college side? They seem to have a pretty good thing going.
Gaza were up there for 10-12 years, had a couple of lean years, and now we're rebuilding through juniors in div 2.
I'm sure in 10 years time not all these same college sides will be up in div 1. It's just part of the cycle.

you can go that direction as in..."well ya gotta develop ya juniors to be great" - that fine but hardly constructive

the pink elephant in the room is the fact that all the delegates sat around and decided...

"we dont want marquee players"

"marquee players can go elsewhere, not welcome in this league"

what a disgrace!!

any supreme footballer in his twilight years, who has been places in his football career and is a genuine match winner, will not be facilitated here, so go elsewhere

and as a result, the metropolitan division 1 football league, supposedly 1 step down from sanfl reserves is a dead set bore with only no names or blokes who maybe managed 10 reserve games in the sanfl.

and then we're expected to pay $15 buck to get into a div 1 grand final, to see who exactly?

develop your juniors to become afl players but dont expect them to come back in their 30s because their high talents are not welcome.

marbles wrote:Like country clubs we should be allowed 1 marquee player too. Then theres no advantage all is well and we'll see superstars playing in c9afl rather than in gsfl or wherever. And when u have 1 or more sanfl/afl gun at your club admirers spectators high calibre mates and even kids follow

Example look what brian lake did to that vic club now 2016 premiers

Brett ebert would quite possibly be playing ammos instead of driving to goolwa

You are allowed. Clubs are voting on Monday week whether they want exactly the same salary cap conditions as our country cousins

Paoc bagged their second ex crows-captain/sponsor pub owner?

bird of prey wrote:Did the league choose this salary cap themselves or was it forced upon them

You're always going to get more money in the country than you would in Adelaide.
$400 is still a lot of money.
Not every player is interested in travelling once or twice a week for that extra cash.[/quote]

Yea but most are and as a result this league shrinks deflates of calibre and all the old scholars clubs rise to div 1 (in time)[/quote]
That's why if you work hard on promoting your juniors, you will always have a steady flow of good players coming through. Then when those players who have left you want to return to the city, they'll come back in as 0 pointers.
As soon as clubs realise that, it won't be just the college sides reaping the benefits. It'll be the ones that have a strong & relatively loyal culture the whole way though.[/quote]

Very difficult to build juniors overnight. Takes time and a lot of effort. College sides have an extreme advantage.[/quote]

What, do you think there is a magic potion that turns struggling clubs into powerhouses over night? It does take time. That's the point.
Where were PAC and SPOC 10 years ago? SHOC have kind of come and gone and come again. Rocs have kind of been around the mark, but never been considered a powerhouse.
Are goodwood a college side? They seem to have a pretty good thing going.
Gaza were up there for 10-12 years, had a couple of lean years, and now we're rebuilding through juniors in div 2.
I'm sure in 10 years time not all these same college sides will be up in div 1. It's just part of the cycle.[/quote]

You are correct but I still would still suggest that these college teams have too much of an advantage, teams like PAC from now onwards can approach their graduating year 12's and lure to them with big coin, 0 points and get them to play div 1 and there will be plenty of these players considering PAC have about 4-5 teams at school, and then where does that leave teams like Gaza? They have one team coming through to seniors (under 18's) and the guns would go to SANFL, some stop playing, some lured to other clubs so they might get maybe 10 players into seniors? These college teams have the biggest advantage ever to get the next generation superstar footy players and plenty of them for 0 points whereas teams like Gaza are left in the dark trying to get older players who mostly want to play div 1 or go play somewhere else for money.

I'm not unsympathetic to your point of view, but realistically it's all cyclical. PAOC are on a pretty heavy upswing right now, but the vast credit to that goes to a school that got re-interested in football in a big way and a very hard-working committee.

Clubs like SHOC have the exact same structural advantages (moreso given they also fields junior sides) but appear to be on a slight downward curve from where they have previously been.

I don't mean to outright suggest that they are any less well managed than PAOC, just that every club in the League has some kind of competitive advantage (admittedly some are stronger than others) and it's up to those individual clubs to exploit those advantages.

Put another way, in the last 10 years PAOC and PNU have been as low as D4. Don't have to think that much further back to when Modbury was even lower than that!

jo172 wrote:I'm not unsympathetic to your point of view, but realistically it's all cyclical. PAOC are on a pretty heavy upswing right now, but the vast credit to that goes to a school that got re-interested in football in a big way and a very hard-working committee.

Clubs like SHOC have the exact same structural advantages (moreso given they also fields junior sides) but appear to be on a slight downward curve from where they have previously been.

I don't mean to outright suggest that they are any less well managed than PAOC, just that every club in the League has some kind of competitive advantage (admittedly some are stronger than others) and it's up to those individual clubs to exploit those advantages.

Put another way, in the last 10 years PAOC and PNU have been as low as D4. Don't have to think that much further back to when Modbury was even lower than that!

Exactly!
I remember playing against SHOC in the 2011 GF and thinking they would be the powerhouse saafl club for the next 10 years. Well that changed pretty quickly.
When clubs get on a roll, they're pretty hard to stop (pnu, Modbury, paoc for example), but it can actually go the other way if clubs are not managed correctly too (take pnu going from div 1 to div 3 only a few years ago for example)

bird of prey wrote:

jo172 wrote:I'm not unsympathetic to your point of view, but realistically it's all cyclical. PAOC are on a pretty heavy upswing right now, but the vast credit to that goes to a school that got re-interested in football in a big way and a very hard-working committee.

Clubs like SHOC have the exact same structural advantages (moreso given they also fields junior sides) but appear to be on a slight downward curve from where they have previously been.

I don't mean to outright suggest that they are any less well managed than PAOC, just that every club in the League has some kind of competitive advantage (admittedly some are stronger than others) and it's up to those individual clubs to exploit those advantages.

Put another way, in the last 10 years PAOC and PNU have been as low as D4. Don't have to think that much further back to when Modbury was even lower than that!

Exactly!
I remember playing against SHOC in the 2011 GF and thinking they would be the powerhouse saafl club for the next 10 years. Well that changed pretty quickly.
When clubs get on a roll, they're pretty hard to stop (pnu, Modbury, paoc for example), but it can actually go the other way if clubs are not managed correctly too (take pnu going from div 1 to div 3 only a few years ago for example)

Spending 3 years in the same division has been an unprecedented level of stability!

jnr8 wrote:You are correct but I still would still suggest that these college teams have too much of an advantage, teams like PAC from now onwards can approach their graduating year 12's and lure to them with big coin, 0 points and get them to play div 1 and there will be plenty of these players considering PAC have about 4-5 teams at school, and then where does that leave teams like Gaza? They have one team coming through to seniors (under 18's) and the guns would go to SANFL, some stop playing, some lured to other clubs so they might get maybe 10 players into seniors? These college teams have the biggest advantage ever to get the next generation superstar footy players and plenty of them for 0 points whereas teams like Gaza are left in the dark trying to get older players who mostly want to play div 1 or go play somewhere else for money.

This seems to be a common complaint against the so called "college block", that they have a massive pool of juniors all at 0 points.

It could be that I have it totally wrong, but isn't every single junior going to any club anywhere a 0 pointer?
My understanding is that when you sign for your first senior team you are a 0 pointer, and it's only future transfers that the points system comes into play.

Therefore, whether the "school footy" counts them to be considered juniors of the old scholars side or not is basically irrelevant as they would be 0 pointers anyway given it's their first senior club.

Sure, there are the old players who may play elsewhere and then "come home" but these are few and far between in comparison to the number that come directly out after school.