SAAFL Division 3 & D3R (2012)

[aussi rulz]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.

*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

I agree turbo, its's prob the only system that encourages juniors back/ or to stay on at the clubs that invested time in getting them to where they are today, get's rid of the club s@ut selling out to the highest bidder.

[On1Leg]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.

*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

I agree turbo, its's prob the only system that encourages juniors back/ or to stay on at the clubs that invested time in getting them to where they are today, get's rid of the club s@ut selling out to the highest bidder.

Agree. Good system for all the above reasons. But where does it leave clubs like Adelaide Uni and Flinders Uni? No juniors (and unlikely to ever be able to) and no concessions for their players who are students? I believe neither club pay players either.

[wristwatcher]

Adel Uni dont pay their players. Did the easster bunny tell you that or is it the tooth fairy with the loose lips

[vivian14]

I agree with the points system in principal but there are also clubs that spend a lot of time and money developing kids that go to colleges and then loose them once they start playing senior football.

I know that my club has had to think about ( i hope we dont) just playing and developing juniors outside of the college system as we recieve no compensation and the college clubs get them for nothing because they went to school there. One particular school has 4 or 5 of our former juniors playing in their A grade and some of them there Fathers played for us so it hurts for a lot of our supporters watching them.

Its very hard to break school mates loyalty which is fair enough but its still a concern on how we fill the void of loosing some of our best juniors without trying to recruit and keep within the points system.

[Footy Follower]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.

*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

I agree with your points here Turbo, the league have the right idea with trying to stamp out the above points, however I think there needs to be a few changes made within the system.

- I believe once you have played a full season with a club or 18+ games which ever comes first, you should be worth 0 points.
- Players that are relocating from the country to the city for study reasons should be worth 0 points.
- If you have played over 100 games for the club you should be worth negative 1 point.
- It should also be taken into consideration where a player is living. E.g. if a player lives within a 5km radius of a club he is worth less points than someone who does not. (Not saying 0 points, just less).
- If you are switching between amatuer league clubs, players that are moving to a higher grade should be worth less than someone who is going from say div 1 down to div 4 or 5 for money.

At the moment the system needs to be tweaked a little. Other than that I agree with the system and what the league is trying to do.

[kickinit]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.

*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

I agree with your points here Turbo, the league have the right idea with trying to stamp out the above points, however I think there needs to be a few changes made within the system.

- I believe once you have played a full season with a club or 18+ games which ever comes first, you should be worth 0 points.
- Players that are relocating from the country to the city for study reasons should be worth 0 points.
- If you have played over 100 games for the club you should be worth negative 1 point.
- It should also be taken into consideration where a player is living. E.g. if a player lives within a 5km radius of a club he is worth less points than someone who does not. (Not saying 0 points, just less).
- If you are switching between amatuer league clubs, players that are moving to a higher grade should be worth less than someone who is going from say div 1 down to div 4 or 5 for money.

At the moment the system needs to be tweaked a little. Other than that I agree with the system and what the league is trying to do.

Once you play 25 games for a club you are worth zero and div 1 2 3 are worth more then div 4 onwards

[The Informer]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.

*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

I agree with your points here Turbo, the league have the right idea with trying to stamp out the above points, however I think there needs to be a few changes made within the system.

- I believe once you have played a full season with a club or 18+ games which ever comes first, you should be worth 0 points.
- Players that are relocating from the country to the city for study reasons should be worth 0 points.
- If you have played over 100 games for the club you should be worth negative 1 point.
- It should also be taken into consideration where a player is living. E.g. if a player lives within a 5km radius of a club he is worth less points than someone who does not. (Not saying 0 points, just less).
- If you are switching between amatuer league clubs, players that are moving to a higher grade should be worth less than someone who is going from say div 1 down to div 4 or 5 for money.

At the moment the system needs to be tweaked a little. Other than that I agree with the system and what the league is trying to do.

Once you play 25 games for a club you are worth zero and div 1 2 3 are worth more then div 4 onwards

Voted at meeting a few months ago that all internal SAAFL transfers are worth 2 no matter what grade.

[scrappy1]

Voted at meeting a few months ago that all internal SAAFL transfers are worth 2 no matter what grade.

Does this include players that have played more reserves games? or just A grade?

[The Informer]

You dont attract points if u have played more B grade games.

[scrappy1]

You dont attract points if u have played more B grade games.

So Kilburn should be fine with points then, because the only recruits from outside the league are Brading, Molyneux and Allen right? the rest are from SAAFL?

[turk186]

You dont attract points if u have played more B grade games.

So Kilburn should be fine with points then, because the only recruits from outside the league are Brading, Molyneux and Allen right? the rest are from SAAFL?

Depends if they are carrying any points from last year... difficult question to answer without all the info..impossible in fact

[finn]

Adel Uni dont pay their players. Did the easster bunny tell you that or is it the tooth fairy with the loose lips

This old chestnut. Name names and produce hard evidence so we know (as someone involved with the Blacks I'd certainly like to know who's paid) or just keep quiet.

We're certainly willing to be investigated, poked and prodded, whatever to prove that we're amateur in its true sense.

The points system has its flaws and its benefits - tweak it until it gets right so that everybody is on a reasonably level playing field - and the decisions for the points system should not be in the hands of the parties who gain from it. Certainly it has an inflationary effect on player payments as it makes the recruiting of quality over quantity a necessity and clubs will vie for the same person.

Having said that, good luck to pnu this year, I enjoyed my couple of years out there in the 16's and 18's many many moons ago.

[Footy Follower]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.

*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

I agree with your points here Turbo, the league have the right idea with trying to stamp out the above points, however I think there needs to be a few changes made within the system.

- I believe once you have played a full season with a club or 18+ games which ever comes first, you should be worth 0 points.
- Players that are relocating from the country to the city for study reasons should be worth 0 points.
- If you have played over 100 games for the club you should be worth negative 1 point.
- It should also be taken into consideration where a player is living. E.g. if a player lives within a 5km radius of a club he is worth less points than someone who does not. (Not saying 0 points, just less).
- If you are switching between amatuer league clubs, players that are moving to a higher grade should be worth less than someone who is going from say div 1 down to div 4 or 5 for money.

At the moment the system needs to be tweaked a little. Other than that I agree with the system and what the league is trying to do.

Once you play 25 games for a club you are worth zero and div 1 2 3 are worth more then div 4 onwards

Can someone else confirm this is true?

[Pag]

I agree with your points here Turbo, the league have the right idea with trying to stamp out the above points, however I think there needs to be a few changes made within the system.

- I believe once you have played a full season with a club or 18+ games which ever comes first, you should be worth 0 points.
- Players that are relocating from the country to the city for study reasons should be worth 0 points.
- If you have played over 100 games for the club you should be worth negative 1 point.
- It should also be taken into consideration where a player is living. E.g. if a player lives within a 5km radius of a club he is worth less points than someone who does not. (Not saying 0 points, just less).
- If you are switching between amatuer league clubs, players that are moving to a higher grade should be worth less than someone who is going from say div 1 down to div 4 or 5 for money.

At the moment the system needs to be tweaked a little. Other than that I agree with the system and what the league is trying to do.

Once you play 25 games for a club you are worth zero and div 1 2 3 are worth more then div 4 onwards

Can someone else confirm this is true?

Not quite. If you've played 25 games for the club previously (ie. two years of juniors), you'll be 0 if you return to that club. For new players to a club, they may be 3 points in their first year for example, then drop a point each year after that.

FWIW, I'm a big fan of the points system, for the exact same reasons as Turbo.

[Jimmy_041]

I agree with the points system in principal but there are also clubs that spend a lot of time and money developing kids that go to colleges and then loose them once they start playing senior football.

I know that my club has had to think about ( i hope we dont) just playing and developing juniors outside of the college system as we recieve no compensation and the college clubs get them for nothing because they went to school there. One particular school has 4 or 5 of our former juniors playing in their A grade and some of them there Fathers played for us so it hurts for a lot of our supporters watching them.

Its very hard to break school mates loyalty which is fair enough but its still a concern on how we fill the void of loosing some of our best juniors without trying to recruit and keep within the points system.

You have to be kidding aren't you?

1. You dont think the schools put any money into coaching their school kids? We might as well save our money thanks to you guys doing it all for us. I shouldn't have wasted all those Saturdays over 7 years, watching, helping, coaching and umpiring the school games.
2. Lucky those boarders come to town just so they can play for you. I'm pretty sure they pick their junior club and then think, mmmmm which school is closest
3. All juniors are zero points regardless of where they went to school, PLUS if they played 25 junior games for your club, you can have him for zero points any time you want, as much as we can.

Maybe they just join your club because some of their mates from school play out there.

So if they aren't joining your senior club, then maybe you had better review your recruiting department. Uni seem to be able to pick plenty of school kids up and they have no junior connection at all.

If anything, you get the entire payment from the AFL if they make it. The school gets nothing. No compensation my ass - you're lucky to be close to a school that helps you out.

[The Big Shrek]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.
*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

We had 4 last year come across from Modbury, we chased 1 and the other 3 came with their mate. At the time they were all signed, the points system had not been officially enforced. So yes, those 4 players cost us 12 points in 1 hit. It does happen.

Same with us Shirtfront. Molyneux and Williams are best mates with Parks and Galbraith.

Pearce is mates with another Parks through playing at Tantanoola. All three were regulars at Kilburn games last year. Brading is another who came becaise of mates.

We have a guy called Beeny who left Wallaroo(was a paid recruit there) and is playing B grade for us this year cause we can't fit him under the cap. Another bloke had to leave after being told he couldn't play A grade because of points. We have a guy that lives down the road from the club worth 2 pts.

I can't agree with a system that has talented footballers playing b grade or having to leave the club where they want to be.

[Blacks130]

Adel Uni dont pay their players. Did the easster bunny tell you that or is it the tooth fairy with the loose lips

PM me the name of one, just one

[The Big Shrek]

Adel Uni dont pay their players. Did the easster bunny tell you that or is it the tooth fairy with the loose lips

PM me the name of one, just one

Callum Rohde. Andrew McIntyre.

[Blacks130]

Adel Uni dont pay their players. Did the easster bunny tell you that or is it the tooth fairy with the loose lips

PM me the name of one, just one

Callum Rohde. Andrew McIntyre.

Try again

[mighty hounds]

Adel Uni dont pay their players. Did the easster bunny tell you that or is it the tooth fairy with the loose lips

PM me the name of one, just one

Callum Rohde. Andrew McIntyre.

Try again

I heard from an ex uni player that they do..