SAAFL Div 5 & 5R (2010)

[crowzanddogz]

Rumour has it that Eddie V has been watching a little too much UFC lately and was seen to take on the whole smithfield side....the word thug had been bandied around by some......Just checked the UFC web site and I swear I saw him there. Is that you Eddie V?

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Brought a smile to my face....and it wasnt the whole Smithfield side...there were a couple on the bench....

yeah ur bench was well behaved all day

I think EddieV was talking about your B grade bench not the A grade. Was some great banter between the 2 benches in the A grade. One comment got me confused though when a come back from your bench was "At least we are not trying to get ourselves out off div 5" I thought most clubs playing in div 5 would want to get to div 4?

yep that bloke was told 2 shut up pretty quickly we want 2 get out of div 5 2 good luck 2 u boys ur the best chance from the northern suburbs unless we play yas again

[unknown source]

cheers crowzanddogz another comment i found amusing in the last quarter was that smithfield beat us last time so they dont care

[boozehound]

Want to make a couple of points if I may....

Firstly what is wrong with someone actually getting on here and saying "gee u were ripped off". Instead u get comments like "oh but what about the other decision that went over the post and clearly through for a point". Did it go over the post or go "clearly" through for a point. I wasn't there but it doesn't quite seem to be in the same category.

Someone brought up a valid point saying that if the player didn't call him a cheat another kick would not have been awarded... Atleast the comment is correct and makes sense. I agree however as a player that on the odd occassion is inclined to disagree with an umpire, decisions like this one seems to be are ******* infuriating and the natural and possibly correct inference is drawn that the guy is a cheat. We need to protect umpires from crazy abuse but wat about protecting the integrity of the game.

Fact is for Elizabeth is that we are four games behind top. It is not the first time this year a game we won has been taken off us. Hectorville are obviously a very good side It just seems we gave their measure. They too have not faced us any where near full strength. Brahma IMO are a much harder match up for us and if they got over the hoodoo the heccies seem to have on them would beat them comfortably. Ok that's all

He repeatedly swore at the umpire, hence he was sent off, red carded and a free kick was awarded.

Fact is you are 5 games behind 1st.

Point taken on five games however....are you an idiot? My post clearly stated we need to protect umpires from abuse clown.

Booze how about an article in the Budget encouraging clubs to take their boundary and goal umpiring seriously. This incident has cost you the game, a possible double chance and possibly a suspension. I know the SAAFL sets the age minimum at 14 but lets get real, a 14 yr old should not be doing these sort of roles

Yeah not a bad idea at all. Ive seen very young boundary and goal umpires get intimidated into making/not making decisions time and time again. Generally it doesn't cost a side a game but fustrating none the less.

I dont think this was the case on Saturday but definately is an issue worth a mention.

[boozehound]

I also noticed a 2nd player was reported from this match - not sure if it was related to the same incident.

Was just informed the 2nd report was from the later C grade game also for abuse of an umpire. Obviously didn't learn.

Wow you have been an active forum member since you joined in 2008. Not surprised with remarkable insight like that.

[boozehound]

Who is this new Neville character!!???

Not another bloody sensitive BL boy I hope...

Jeez they annoy me

must be something about sensitive people and those that wear blue uniforms and a nice hat on the Div 5 forum

Where did that come from?

[boozehound]

Anyone had John Petruzelli umpire any games this season?
If so, what has been like?

He did the Plympton V Rosewater game on the weekend.
Would hope he hardens up a little.

2x25m due to the crowd
A player sent off for being too loud

And from two different accounts, was the hardest, roughest & dirtiest game he has ever umpired.
And I am sure all will agree who were present, there has been and will be better physical battles than the contest at Plympton on the weekend.

JP is from down our way, he plays cricket for us. He's a nice bloke but that all changed when I found out he was an umpire. We've had him a couple of times and he's been a bit whistle happy. He really trys to take control of the game and the crowd.

Was confirmed yesterday by Barry Oates that umpires cannot issue free kicks or 25m penalties against the "crowd". So why do Umpires think they can do this? This has happened before.

Yeah it certainly has, happened to us against Plympton at quarter time....Not sure whether they are misunderstanding their ability to do that or not, or like most umpires, just think they are a law unto themselves....

[w_m]

Wow you have been an active forum member since you joined in 2008. Not surprised with remarkable insight like that.

Sorry I forgot that I'm not entitled to an opinion unless I spend my every waking hour racking up thousands of posts on here

[unknown source]

are on field umpires allowed to over rule goal umps?

[MadDog]

are on field umpires allowed to over rule goal umps?

Nope.

12.1.5 Goal Umpire to Judge Goal or Behind
(a) The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final. The goal umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals "All Clear" or "Touched All Clear", as the case may be.
(b) Law 12.1.5 (a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body.

The SAAFL does not have anything in their rules and regs to allow 12.1.5(b) to be used.

Having been involved in at least two games this year, a few last year and about 4 years ago 6 games decided under a kick that were influenced by "poor decisions" that were clearly incorrect, I would think the field umpire should have some input or authorisation about decisions. Having said that, look at the AFL when the field umps get involved, still get it wrong.

[The Big T]

are on field umpires allowed to over rule goal umps?

Nope.

12.1.5 Goal Umpire to Judge Goal or Behind
(a) The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final. The goal umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals "All Clear" or "Touched All Clear", as the case may be.
(b) Law 12.1.5 (a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body.

The SAAFL does not have anything in their rules and regs to allow 12.1.5(b) to be used.

Having been involved in at least two games this year, a few last year and about 4 years ago 6 games decided under a kick that were influenced by "poor decisions" that were clearly incorrect, I would think the field umpire should have some input or authorisation about decisions. Having said that, look at the AFL when the field umps get involved, still get it wrong.

Hmmmmm interesting always thought that the field umpire couldnt over ride the goal umpire but have seen it cpl of times in past cpl of years and it affected the outcome of a game that cost our U18s a finals berth the umpire over rode the goal umpire from 60 metres away still got me as to what he saw that we didnt from the same area and line of sight but alas you live and learn...that the men in orange white or green are a rule unto thier selves

[Executive Member]

Who is this new Neville character!!???

Not another bloody sensitive BL boy I hope...

Jeez they annoy me

must be something about sensitive people and those that wear blue uniforms and a nice hat on the Div 5 forum

Where did that come from?

I rest my case

[Mr Beefy]

are on field umpires allowed to over rule goal umps?

Nope.

12.1.5 Goal Umpire to Judge Goal or Behind
(a) The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final. The goal umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals "All Clear" or "Touched All Clear", as the case may be.
(b) Law 12.1.5 (a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body.

The SAAFL does not have anything in their rules and regs to allow 12.1.5(b) to be used.

Having been involved in at least two games this year, a few last year and about 4 years ago 6 games decided under a kick that were influenced by "poor decisions" that were clearly incorrect, I would think the field umpire should have some input or authorisation about decisions. Having said that, look at the AFL when the field umps get involved, still get it wrong.

I guess in the case of a dispute over whether the ball was touched before crossing the line, that the field umpire can delay his "All Clear"/"Touched All Clear" signal until he is satisfied that the correct decision has been made. Perhaps they need to be more diligent in this area so we dont get the goal umpire being the sole judge of this, leading to disputed decisions a la Hope Valley V Rosewater this year and last.

[EddieV]

are on field umpires allowed to over rule goal umps?

Nope.

12.1.5 Goal Umpire to Judge Goal or Behind
(a) The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final. The goal umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals "All Clear" or "Touched All Clear", as the case may be.
(b) Law 12.1.5 (a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body.

The SAAFL does not have anything in their rules and regs to allow 12.1.5(b) to be used.

Having been involved in at least two games this year, a few last year and about 4 years ago 6 games decided under a kick that were influenced by "poor decisions" that were clearly incorrect, I would think the field umpire should have some input or authorisation about decisions. Having said that, look at the AFL when the field umps get involved, still get it wrong.

Hmmmmm interesting always thought that the field umpire couldnt over ride the goal umpire but have seen it cpl of times in past cpl of years and it affected the outcome of a game that cost our U18s a finals berth the umpire over rode the goal umpire from 60 metres away still got me as to what he saw that we didnt from the same area and line of sight but alas you live and learn...that the men in orange white or green are a rule unto thier selves

I was always under the impression that a league appointed umpire could override a club goal umpire? It would seem that 12.1.5(b) could be refering to this?

[Mr Beefy]

are on field umpires allowed to over rule goal umps?

Nope.

12.1.5 Goal Umpire to Judge Goal or Behind
(a) The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires. The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final. The goal umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals "All Clear" or "Touched All Clear", as the case may be.
(b) Law 12.1.5 (a) does not apply if a Controlling Body prescribes that a field Umpire may overrule the decision of a goal Umpire who has not been appointed by the Controlling Body.

The SAAFL does not have anything in their rules and regs to allow 12.1.5(b) to be used.

Having been involved in at least two games this year, a few last year and about 4 years ago 6 games decided under a kick that were influenced by "poor decisions" that were clearly incorrect, I would think the field umpire should have some input or authorisation about decisions. Having said that, look at the AFL when the field umps get involved, still get it wrong.

Hmmmmm interesting always thought that the field umpire couldnt over ride the goal umpire but have seen it cpl of times in past cpl of years and it affected the outcome of a game that cost our U18s a finals berth the umpire over rode the goal umpire from 60 metres away still got me as to what he saw that we didnt from the same area and line of sight but alas you live and learn...that the men in orange white or green are a rule unto thier selves

I was always under the impression that a league appointed umpire could override a club goal umpire? It would seem that 12.1.5(b) could be refering to this?

Yes it is inferring this but the controlling body must have it in its rules and regs. It appears this isn't the case.

[lovetotalkfooty]

Has to be the time of the year again to start picking a medal favourite.

From Brahma Lodge:

Ian Bellman (Ruckmen)
Scotty MacIntyre
Michael Hayes

What are other thoughts.

[Footy Chick]

Has to be the time of the year again to start picking a medal favourite.

From Brahma Lodge:

Ian Bellman (Ruckmen)
Scotty MacIntyre
Michael Hayes

What are other thoughts.

Take Scotty out I reckon - is recognised more this year for his front of goal efforts which umps largely ignore - and is a bit yappy (but we still love him )

[Executive Member]

Has to be the time of the year again to start picking a medal favourite.

From Brahma Lodge:

Ian Bellman (Ruckmen)
Scotty MacIntyre
Michael Hayes

What are other thoughts.

going by Smithfield's record I will pick anyone from there - they seem to win the medal every year
Brahma Lodge wont have anyone in the top 10

[human blanket #3]

i always dont know when there is a set shot for goal, the umpire doesnt position himself so he can see whether its a goal or not so he can change decisions that are clearly wrong. theres been so many times when ive heard the ump say he wasnt in a good position.

as for medal favourites, ben halliday is pretty hard to go past. for heccies, paul wootton to get cheap votes again howson should do ok but i think anyone has had that good of a season to win. tbh would be suprised if anyone from heccies got in the top 3

[unknown source]

Has to be the time of the year again to start picking a medal favourite.

From Brahma Lodge:

Ian Bellman (Ruckmen)
Scotty MacIntyre
Michael Hayes

What are other thoughts.

going by Smithfield's record I will pick anyone from there - they seem to win the medal every year
Brahma Lodge wont have anyone in the top 10

think your right Exec, jossa will stand out in smithfields side, ben halliday will poll well, heccies will steal votes of each other so i'm going to go with the guy from rosewater Horshell i believe. finds the footy lots but so does his player but div 5 umpires dont know squat

[zedman]

Has to be the time of the year again to start picking a medal favourite.

From Brahma Lodge:

Ian Bellman (Ruckmen)
Scotty MacIntyre
Michael Hayes

What are other thoughts.

going by Smithfield's record I will pick anyone from there - they seem to win the medal every year
Brahma Lodge wont have anyone in the top 10

think your right Exec, jossa will stand out in smithfields side, ben halliday will poll well, heccies will steal votes of each other so i'm going to go with the guy from rosewater Horshell i believe. finds the footy lots but so does his player but div 5 umpires dont know squat

horse is a vote getter..halliday as well..your spot on about smithies US..taylor is like a magnet for votes