SAAFL Division 3 & D3R (2012)

[The Big Shrek]

What's trickie about it the sanfl have a set guide of how much players are worth from certain leagues/grades. So you get a new player ask where he is from find out how many points that league grade is worth and that's it, then you add up all your points nothing more to it. According to the footy budget it's not that kilburn made a mistake as they have been trying to find ways to be able to play with more then 15 points. Maybe the sanfl should take away there 15 points for the year.

Dumb post

whats dumb about it? is the fact you don't understand the points system or the point about kilburn trying to find ways to play over the 15? If it's the point about trying to play over the 15 points i'm only going by what was in the footy budget, which has the most experienced and people in the know in the saafl.

Those remarks in the budget are either not about Kilburn or are incorrect. I note that it does not specify a club. Playing over the allocated points is a genuine mistake. If you think we would deliberately play over and risk the points you are dumb.

Saying we should have 15 points taken away is also dumb..

Relying on some silly gossip page is dumb.

Not being able to spell 'tricky' is dumb.

[kickinit]

What's trickie about it the sanfl have a set guide of how much players are worth from certain leagues/grades. So you get a new player ask where he is from find out how many points that league grade is worth and that's it, then you add up all your points nothing more to it. According to the footy budget it's not that kilburn made a mistake as they have been trying to find ways to be able to play with more then 15 points. Maybe the sanfl should take away there 15 points for the year.

Dumb post

whats dumb about it? is the fact you don't understand the points system or the point about kilburn trying to find ways to play over the 15? If it's the point about trying to play over the 15 points i'm only going by what was in the footy budget, which has the most experienced and people in the know in the saafl.

Those remarks in the budget are either not about Kilburn or are incorrect. I note that it does not specify a club. Playing over the allocated points is a genuine mistake. If you think we would deliberately play over and risk the points you are dumb.

Saying we should have 15 points taken away is also dumb..

Relying on some silly gossip page is dumb.

Not being able to spell 'tricky' is dumb.

oh sorry for spelling a word wrong. Seriously you think its a genuine mistake? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life, Kilburn must be a pretty dumb club if they can't add up to 15. You ask a player where they played last and look on this as to how many points that is worth and you can't go over 15 points, seriously what is so hard about this every other club in the saafl have no problem with it and I will also note this has been in place previous to this year so it's not like it just came in a couple of weeks ago. If you still don't understand it here is the link to the rules and the list that shows what leagues are worth.

http://www.saafl.asn.au/uploads/Pages/p ... l_2012.pdf

[Yank Man]

Pag, I agree, but what if a player didn't play at all last year. If he played the year before he still brings points. We have one who played Vic country in 2010 and not last season. He played more A grade games than B grade games and still brought 1 point. Took us a few days to get it right because we wanted to make sure. The League helped but do they need 200 phone calls. Most leagues now use sporting pulse so maybe they should have records.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

The problem is that you don't get the final information on what a player played the previous season until after he is transfered on to your list. He might tell you that he played more B Grade games than A grade then when the transfer is completed then you get the correct information.

My mail is that they have already lost all of their premiership points.

I agree that the system is dumb it is not needed in the city we don't spend the money that country clubs do. We lost several players to country clubs for huge money and I'm not talking small figures. The system doesn't work. it is a joke. It is a country system forced upon the SAAFL by Glenn Rosser and the CFB and the SANFL.

[Yardy Lard]

What's trickie about it the sanfl have a set guide of how much players are worth from certain leagues/grades. So you get a new player ask where he is from find out how many points that league grade is worth and that's it, then you add up all your points nothing more to it. According to the footy budget it's not that kilburn made a mistake as they have been trying to find ways to be able to play with more then 15 points. Maybe the sanfl should take away there 15 points for the year.

Dumb post

whats dumb about it? is the fact you don't understand the points system or the point about kilburn trying to find ways to play over the 15? If it's the point about trying to play over the 15 points i'm only going by what was in the footy budget, which has the most experienced and people in the know in the saafl.

Thats not a huge recommendation though is it - lol. Not much too beat, is there. Did not see the word Kilburn in there. Wonder who it was though who they meant.

[Jimmy_041]

The problem is that you don't get the final information on what a player played the previous season until after he is transfered on to your list. He might tell you that he played more B Grade games than A grade then when the transfer is completed then you get the correct information.

My mail is that they have already lost all of their premiership points.

I agree that the system is dumb it is not needed in the city we don't spend the money that country clubs do. We lost several players to country clubs for huge money and I'm not talking small figures. The system doesn't work. it is a joke. It is a country system forced upon the SAAFL by Glenn Rosser and the CFB and the SANFL.

You sure about that FE?

Here is the playing record for a couple of blokes from Yankalilla - clearly shows what grades and how many games in each year
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Thomas%20Fittock&action=PSTATS&pID=191037949&client=1-6233-0-212979-16979235
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Dale%20Wilson&action=PSTATS&pID=191038129&client=1-6233-0-213039-16980412

Probably not foolproof but they appear to be very clear

[kickinit]

What's trickie about it the sanfl have a set guide of how much players are worth from certain leagues/grades. So you get a new player ask where he is from find out how many points that league grade is worth and that's it, then you add up all your points nothing more to it. According to the footy budget it's not that kilburn made a mistake as they have been trying to find ways to be able to play with more then 15 points. Maybe the sanfl should take away there 15 points for the year.

Dumb post

whats dumb about it? is the fact you don't understand the points system or the point about kilburn trying to find ways to play over the 15? If it's the point about trying to play over the 15 points i'm only going by what was in the footy budget, which has the most experienced and people in the know in the saafl.

Thats not a huge recommendation though is it - lol. Not much too beat, is there. Did not see the word Kilburn in there. Wonder who it was though who they meant.

Yes it didn't say Kilburn but would you be surprised if it wasn't them they where talking about? I don't see any other side in the saafl having problems with playing under the 15 points system.

[Flipper]

What's trickie about it the sanfl have a set guide of how much players are worth from certain leagues/grades. So you get a new player ask where he is from find out how many points that league grade is worth and that's it, then you add up all your points nothing more to it. According to the footy budget it's not that kilburn made a mistake as they have been trying to find ways to be able to play with more then 15 points. Maybe the sanfl should take away there 15 points for the year.

Dumb post

whats dumb about it? is the fact you don't understand the points system or the point about kilburn trying to find ways to play over the 15? If it's the point about trying to play over the 15 points i'm only going by what was in the footy budget, which has the most experienced and people in the know in the saafl.

Those remarks in the budget are either not about Kilburn or are incorrect. I note that it does not specify a club. Playing over the allocated points is a genuine mistake. If you think we would deliberately play over and risk the points you are dumb.

Saying we should have 15 points taken away is also dumb..

Relying on some silly gossip page is dumb.

Not being able to spell 'tricky' is dumb.

He thinks he's dumb....

[Footy Chick]

I think the whole points system is a joke, they should scrap it.

I agree, makes no sense in the city. We have had to turn blokes away who want to play for the club because of points. These are people who just want to play with their mates.

I understand that the league does not provide a list of players and what points they are worth. it is up to clubs to find out themselves. This can be tricky in certain situations eg SANFL ressies player drops to SAAFL then changes clubs the next year, also for players who played a fair amount of B grade the year before.

A list of points should be made available to all clubs prior to round 1 to avoid confusion.

Having said that, if we have broken the rules we should have been nmore diligent and we will cop the penalty and move on. We will need to win a few more games to catch up.

First it's Kilburn, then it's not.

Unfortunately, there is probably not much point in recanting.

A bugger too after getting off to such a fantastic start to the year - Even if you lose your first 3 wins there is still every chance to win a flag. Plympton did it after being 0-4 last year and Salisbury West did it in 2006 after starting the year on -6 points.

Just looking at the bright side I guess.

and not in anyway saying that it was done deliberately either - Ive seen SPorting Pulse all of about 3 times so couldn't comment on the detail of it all.

No doubt the genius legal mind that is your good self will be planning a source of appeal if the worst does happen..

[The Big Shrek]

Kickinit I will not repeat why but your post remains stupid.

Jimmy, can you provide a link showing SAAFL's players playing histories?

[Jimmy_041]

Kickinit I will not repeat why but your post remains stupid.

Jimmy, can you provide a link showing SAAFL's players playing histories?

No, because we only joined Sporting Pulse this year and I'm not sure about whether iScore showed individual playing records for either your own players, or so you could see all SAAFL players - I'm pretty sure it didn't other than, maybe, you trolling through old results
One of the reasons to join FootyWeb was to join the national system to be able to access such information, and hopefully, you can see someone's record even if they transferred leagues.
Going from this: http://www.safooty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=35741&start=40 the iScore information will be transferred over at some stage

[kickinit]

Kickinit I will not repeat why but your post remains stupid.

Jimmy, can you provide a link showing SAAFL's players playing histories?

why because you now realise how dumb it would be to play with more then 15 points?

[Yardy Lard]

The problem is that you don't get the final information on what a player played the previous season until after he is transfered on to your list. He might tell you that he played more B Grade games than A grade then when the transfer is completed then you get the correct information.

My mail is that they have already lost all of their premiership points.

I agree that the system is dumb it is not needed in the city we don't spend the money that country clubs do. We lost several players to country clubs for huge money and I'm not talking small figures. The system doesn't work. it is a joke. It is a country system forced upon the SAAFL by Glenn Rosser and the CFB and the SANFL.

Yes it is one very big balls up, which was forced upon us. Unfortunately, until the season has ended we are stuck with it.

Lets just all think how to best come up with something better. The salary cap was a joke, The points system is blatant restraint of trade - bit like the AFL draft but no one could afford to challenge it. The clubs in general do not like the system. Yes it is a shambles on so many levels no matter who you talk to. Was speaking with a prominent coach last evening for an hour in the city and he explained his clubs stance and reasons and he made perfect sense. Many other prominent coaches also are less than happy.

Lets just wait until the end of the season and certainly there has to be a better way of doing it - Just not working no matter how much spin is put on it.........but lets find a good solution.

There is a very big touch or irony attached to this little one though....................lol. Memory serves me well and was only 2 metres from where it happened.

[The Big Shrek]

Kickinit I will not repeat why but your post remains stupid.

Jimmy, can you provide a link showing SAAFL's players playing histories?

why because you now realise how dumb it would be to play with more then 15 points?

I never said the mistake wasn't stupid. I said it wasn't deliberate.

You saying it was deliberate was stupid. You saying we should now lose the 15 player points is stupid.

Run along now.

[Yardy Lard]

Kickinit I will not repeat why but your post remains stupid.

Jimmy, can you provide a link showing SAAFL's players playing histories?

why because you now realise how dumb it would be to play with more then 15 points?

I never said the mistake wasn't stupid. I said it wasn't deliberate.

You saying it was deliberate was stupid. You saying we should now lose the 15 player points is stupid.

Run along now.

Chill pill Shrek. Nobody said it was deliberate. BUT deliberate or other wise if proven over the points then there really is only one answer even though I don't agree with the system anyway on a personal level and neither do 99% of the people who I speak with.

Lets just forward our ideas onto the people at the SAAFL who then will TELL the CFB the entire 66 clubs resolution. That may either be a yes or no, but should be of all club presidents and certainly not have any "guest speakers" in attendance, when the vote is done and done via secret ballot. That would be best and give the right answer where the SAAFL should take the matter.

[kickinit]

Kickinit I will not repeat why but your post remains stupid.

Jimmy, can you provide a link showing SAAFL's players playing histories?

why because you now realise how dumb it would be to play with more then 15 points?

I never said the mistake wasn't stupid. I said it wasn't deliberate.

You saying it was deliberate was stupid. You saying we should now lose the 15 player points is stupid.

Run along now.

why don't you let everyone know what happen then instead of saying what i'm saying is stupid, you haven't given me any other reason but to think it was done deliberately. I personally think if you are found to be player over the allocated 15 points then you should loose your 15 points for the year. I just don't see anyway of you not knowing you where over your 15 points, so I wait to see the reason for do so is.

[turbo182]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.

*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

[Shirtfront]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.
*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

We had 4 last year come across from Modbury, we chased 1 and the other 3 came with their mate. At the time they were all signed, the points system had not been officially enforced. So yes, those 4 players cost us 12 points in 1 hit. It does happen.

[HAWKBOY]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.
*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

We had 4 last year come across from Modbury, we chased 1 and the other 3 came with their mate. At the time they were all signed, the points system had not been officially enforced. So yes, those 4 players cost us 12 points in 1 hit. It does happen.

shirtfront I believe that playing U18's takes points off? Did that compel you to play a couple of U18's at the time? If so have they retained their spots?

[Shirtfront]

You know what - stuff it: I like the points system.

It rewards clubs who:
- Provide a good junior set up.
- entice former players/juniors back to their clubs.

- Provides old schollar clubs with a an opportunity to get access to former school players


- Stops clubs from 'buying' premierships/their way up divisions.

The question is whether 15 points is too little or too much.

If you can tell any club has got 5 or more guys, never affiliated with the club before who 'just want to all play with their mates' who are all A Grade playes worth 3-4 points, I reckon you're kidding yourself. There's no way to can justify more then 15 without admitting you're trying to buy a flag. Maybe the money could be better spent improving Juniors.
*this is not a go at kilburn, as this is the first Iv'e heard of it. Just an Opinion.*

For whats its worth, I think we played with negative or 0 points on the weekend. And we had a cracking win at The Den! Look forward to the challenge out at Pembroke this week.

We had 4 last year come across from Modbury, we chased 1 and the other 3 came with their mate. At the time they were all signed, the points system had not been officially enforced. So yes, those 4 players cost us 12 points in 1 hit. It does happen.

shirtfront I believe that playing U18's takes points off? Did that compel you to play a couple of U18's at the time? If so have they retained their spots?

Sort of and yes, One is actually out at Nth Adelaide, the other 2 are still playing in the A's. One of the mentioned is still eligable for U/18's this year also.