SAAFL Div 5 & 5R (2010)

[boozehound]

Want to make a couple of points if I may....

Firstly what is wrong with someone actually getting on here and saying "gee u were ripped off". Instead u get comments like "oh but what about the other decision that went over the post and clearly through for a point". Did it go over the post or go "clearly" through for a point. I wasn't there but it doesn't quite seem to be in the same category.

Someone brought up a valid point saying that if the player didn't call him a cheat another kick would not have been awarded... Atleast the comment is correct and makes sense. I agree however as a player that on the odd occassion is inclined to disagree with an umpire, decisions like this one seems to be are ******* infuriating and the natural and possibly correct inference is drawn that the guy is a cheat. We need to protect umpires from crazy abuse but wat about protecting the integrity of the game.

Fact is for Elizabeth is that we are four games behind top. It is not the first time this year a game we won has been taken off us. Hectorville are obviously a very good side It just seems we gave their measure. They too have not faced us any where near full strength. Brahma IMO are a much harder match up for us and if they got over the hoodoo the heccies seem to have on them would beat them comfortably. Ok that's all

[sprinttospace]

last kick of the day for blacks was in the process of being marked by blacks forward as siren sounded. umpire paid correct decision(1 of the few for the day) that siren had sounded before he controlled it. very lucky escape for the valleys and i must admit blacks would be the best side relegated from div 5 for a very long time if not ever. we always have close games against them with all but 1 game being under a 12 point margin in 6 games.

now that the dust has settled life has continued to go on and the sun appeared this morning.
certainly seemed to be a few of our lads last night that agree with you TT, first grab before siren, second one after. wouldn't have wanted to be on the buzzer yesterday tight games are a killer when you've got the stop watch in your hand.
our battles have certainly been intense and tight over the last 3 years.

just horrible decision making both ways yesterday highlighted by the yellow cards being given by the ump 40 meters away while the one that was in control of the play just stood and watched what was happening. so many non decisions and so many decisions that should have been left.

FC - apologies for bellowing in your ear at the end of that fracas. you did well not to turn and tell us to pull our heads in. this season is detroying my ability to remain calm

[human blanket #3]

Dunno. Stupid? Maybe the fella blinked or got a fly in his eye.

I'm just suggesting that a cheat isn't going to want to get caught, which is why they probably won't call against the obvious.

or maybe he knows he can do this with impunity and lets be honest what can anyone do , answer nothing, look he is 2 for 2 with us this year funny how they had no one else and he was filling in when 9 rounds ago he did it aswell unfortunately these things blight your opinion of footy clubs for the rest of your life shame for the good people at the clubs

Your making yourself sound like a total clown the person who umpired yesterday did not umpire against you 9 rounds ago. these things happen get over it the outcome of that game doesnt change the fact that you are 4 games behind us... a team that " isnt even that good" and the fact is you still havent played us when we are any where near full strength maybe if you put in the same amount of effort towards training as u do complaining on here you might be in a different position

you keep believing that buddy and you are the same club that had your a grade players on the sunday after your gf win abusing and challenging to fights players in an under 15 grand final that was being played at your ground

one incident happened when we gave an elizabeth playing a few words after he tried to hit someone. we just won a grand final and there is a game happening at our club, of course we are going to yell out a few words. from what i remember on that day we were pretty well behaved. im sure elizabeth is a perfect club having your match official telling our goal umpire "gd luck if you leave the ground alive"

[Footy Chick]

last kick of the day for blacks was in the process of being marked by blacks forward as siren sounded. umpire paid correct decision(1 of the few for the day) that siren had sounded before he controlled it. very lucky escape for the valleys and i must admit blacks would be the best side relegated from div 5 for a very long time if not ever. we always have close games against them with all but 1 game being under a 12 point margin in 6 games.

now that the dust has settled life has continued to go on and the sun appeared this morning.
certainly seemed to be a few of our lads last night that agree with you TT, first grab before siren, second one after. wouldn't have wanted to be on the buzzer yesterday tight games are a killer when you've got the stop watch in your hand.
our battles have certainly been intense and tight over the last 3 years.

just horrible decision making both ways yesterday highlighted by the yellow cards being given by the ump 40 meters away while the one that was in control of the play just stood and watched what was happening. so many non decisions and so many decisions that should have been left.

FC - apologies for bellowing in your ear at the end of that fracas. you did well not to turn and tell us to pull our heads in. this season is detroying my ability to remain calm

Think nothing of it. I didn't even see you (or hear you for that matter) anyway Was too busy trying to stop your No.17 from causing an all in and getting our guys in a bundle. Had I known a few of your guys better I probably would have said something, I've been involved in enough dust ups over the years to know when to butt in and when not to.

But it was a bitch of a game all round really and we were lucky to walk away with the points. Bloody lucky.

[custardarm]

one incident happened when we gave an elizabeth playing a few words after he tried to hit someone. we just won a grand final and there is a game happening at our club, of course we are going to yell out a few words. from what i remember on that day we were pretty well behaved. im sure elizabeth is a perfect club having your match official telling our goal umpire "gd luck if you leave the ground alive"

yeah we not perfect we pick on 14 year olds aswell and whats wrong with wishing him luck anyway im over it now time to move on

[fido bedow]

Good win by plympton yesterday.... Hard fought game...

Agree WUB was a good win after a good third quarter by rosewater earlier in the year we probably would have let the game slip but came out and kicked first 3 goals of the last to seal the game ,also a great feeling among the boys during and after the game it may have taken half the year but have a feeling things are starting to come together nicely down at the kennel at the business part of the year. IMO with half the side being new players from the side of last year it has just taken a while for them to gel as a team and am very interested to see how we go in the last 5 rounds 3rd spot is ours if we want it just have to keep improving and of course WINNING! Also it was great to have roachy back after his little holiday he played one of the best 1st quarters of anyone ive seen at amatuer level. Umpireing was also a talking point after the game free kick count was 31 to 13 in favour of rosewater but 8 50 mtr penaltys were awarded against rossies some for near on looking at the ump wrong some of there umpires really need to realise what a massive influence they can have on a game and need to just use common sense, It really looks like some umps get personal with certain players and even teams and will umpire accordingly against them just my opinion but it has happened a hell of a lot this year I know we are instructed to not question any decisions at the end of the day its pointless anyway better to tell ump hes doing a good job during the game then those 50/50 calls might go your way I reckon

[mypaddock]

Want to make a couple of points if I may....

Firstly what is wrong with someone actually getting on here and saying "gee u were ripped off". Instead u get comments like "oh but what about the other decision that went over the post and clearly through for a point". Did it go over the post or go "clearly" through for a point. I wasn't there but it doesn't quite seem to be in the same category.

Someone brought up a valid point saying that if the player didn't call him a cheat another kick would not have been awarded... Atleast the comment is correct and makes sense. I agree however as a player that on the odd occassion is inclined to disagree with an umpire, decisions like this one seems to be are ******* infuriating and the natural and possibly correct inference is drawn that the guy is a cheat. We need to protect umpires from crazy abuse but wat about protecting the integrity of the game.

Fact is for Elizabeth is that we are four games behind top. It is not the first time this year a game we won has been taken off us. Hectorville are obviously a very good side It just seems we gave their measure. They too have not faced us any where near full strength. Brahma IMO are a much harder match up for us and if they got over the hoodoo the heccies seem to have on them would beat them comfortably. Ok that's all

He repeatedly swore at the umpire, hence he was sent off, red carded and a free kick was awarded.

Fact is you are 5 games behind 1st.

[The Ash Man]

last kick of the day for blacks was in the process of being marked by blacks forward as siren sounded. umpire paid correct decision(1 of the few for the day) that siren had sounded before he controlled it. very lucky escape for the valleys and i must admit blacks would be the best side relegated from div 5 for a very long time if not ever. we always have close games against them with all but 1 game being under a 12 point margin in 6 games.

now that the dust has settled life has continued to go on and the sun appeared this morning.
certainly seemed to be a few of our lads last night that agree with you TT, first grab before siren, second one after. wouldn't have wanted to be on the buzzer yesterday tight games are a killer when you've got the stop watch in your hand.
our battles have certainly been intense and tight over the last 3 years.

just horrible decision making both ways yesterday highlighted by the yellow cards being given by the ump 40 meters away while the one that was in control of the play just stood and watched what was happening. so many non decisions and so many decisions that should have been left.

FC - apologies for bellowing in your ear at the end of that fracas. you did well not to turn and tell us to pull our heads in. this season is detroying my ability to remain calm

It was good to see a number of Blacks players come in for a beer after such a tough day at the office.
Good on you guys.

[unknown source]

looking forward to North Havens canteen this week with our c grade playing after the a grade, with all the hype i can't wait

be good not to run out of hot water also

Steer clear of the adelaide uni oval #2 bbq in the C grade... $4 for 1 sausage!

What???? do you get a BJ or something with that sausage?

uni students musn't be paying there fees

[MadDog]

Anyone had John Petruzelli umpire any games this season?
If so, what has been like?

He did the Plympton V Rosewater game on the weekend.
Would hope he hardens up a little.

2x25m due to the crowd
A player sent off for being too loud

And from two different accounts, was the hardest, roughest & dirtiest game he has ever umpired.
And I am sure all will agree who were present, there has been and will be better physical battles than the contest at Plympton on the weekend.

[zedman]

Anyone had John Petruzelli umpire any games this season?
If so, what has been like?

He did the Plympton V Rosewater game on the weekend.
Would hope he hardens up a little.

2x25m due to the crowd
A player sent off for being too loud

And from two different accounts, was the hardest, roughest & dirtiest game he has ever umpired.
And I am sure all will agree who were present, there has been and will be better physical battles than the contest at Plympton on the weekend.

these 25m's for "crowd or spectators" are getting pandemic..what is the exact ruling on this..as in..what rule are they calling on to give 25m penalties..is there even a rule or are we being hoodwinked?

[Drop Bear]

The local umps need to stop watching the AFL.

[sprinttospace]

last kick of the day for blacks was in the process of being marked by blacks forward as siren sounded. umpire paid correct decision(1 of the few for the day) that siren had sounded before he controlled it. very lucky escape for the valleys and i must admit blacks would be the best side relegated from div 5 for a very long time if not ever. we always have close games against them with all but 1 game being under a 12 point margin in 6 games.

now that the dust has settled life has continued to go on and the sun appeared this morning.
certainly seemed to be a few of our lads last night that agree with you TT, first grab before siren, second one after. wouldn't have wanted to be on the buzzer yesterday tight games are a killer when you've got the stop watch in your hand.
our battles have certainly been intense and tight over the last 3 years.

just horrible decision making both ways yesterday highlighted by the yellow cards being given by the ump 40 meters away while the one that was in control of the play just stood and watched what was happening. so many non decisions and so many decisions that should have been left.

FC - apologies for bellowing in your ear at the end of that fracas. you did well not to turn and tell us to pull our heads in. this season is detroying my ability to remain calm

Think nothing of it. I didn't even see you (or hear you for that matter) anyway Was too busy trying to stop your No.17 from causing an all in and getting our guys in a bundle. Had I known a few of your guys better I probably would have said something, I've been involved in enough dust ups over the years to know when to butt in and when not to.

But it was a bitch of a game all round really and we were lucky to walk away with the points. Bloody lucky.

i meant the fracas involving the yellow cards.

as for the end of the game, i wouldn't single out one of our players, lots of people invovled in that caffuffle. i've heard there were some nasties taking place in there and of course the call of 'p!ss off back to div 6' no doubt helped the situation.

in the end it settled pretty quickly and everyone went their own way.

[Neville Bartoss]

DIV 5 reserves league getting tight up top

After Rd13
1. Plympton 11-2 74.1
2. Lutheran 11-2 70.5
3. Elizabeth 10-3 69.8
4. Lodge 10-3 63.1

Plympton
Blacks (a) WIN
Luther (a) WIN
BL (a) LOSS 50/50
HV (h) WIN
Hecc (a) WIN

Lutheran
HV (a) WIN
Plymp (h) LOSS 50/50
Eliz (a) LOSS 50/50
BF (h) WIN
Rose (a) WIN

Elizabeth
RW (a) WIN
Smith (h) WIN
Luther (a) WIN 50/50
N Hav (a) WIN
BF (a) WIN

Brahma Lodge
N Hav (a) WIN
BF (H) WIN
Plym (h) WIN 50/50
Hect (a) WIN
HV (a) WIN

After Rd18
1. Plympton 15-3 Should claim top spot. Need to beat Lodge or Lutheran to secure top spot
2. Elizabeth 15-3 Best Run home although Lutheran game to define their season
3. Brahma 15-3 Poor percentage to cost them. Excellent home record should see them overcome Plympton
4. Lutheran 14-4 Must win games against Elizabeth or Plympton to ensure double chance

My predictions....any thoughts?

[MadDog]

these 25m's for "crowd or spectators" are getting pandemic..what is the exact ruling on this..as in..what rule are they calling on to give 25m penalties..is there even a rule or are we being hoodwinked?

I think they are just making the rules up!

SAAFL Rules & Regs
21.1 A 25-metre penalty may be enforced by a field umpire(s) where an umpire deems it to be applicable as per Law 18.1 of the Laws of Australian Football.

Laws of Australian Football
18.1 Where a field Umpire has awarded a Free Kick or a Mark to a Player, the field Umpire shall also award a Fifty-Metre Penalty in favour of that Player if he or she is of the opinion that any Player or Official from the opposing side:

So unless every spectator is deemed to be an official, the answer is they can't do it. Unless of course the SAAFL hasn't updated their rules and regs.

[Neville Bartoss]

Forgive my ignorance but im trying to get my head around how percentage is calculated on the premiership ladder

Hectorville are currently 1385 to 777 with a differance of 608 and a percentage of 64.1 whilst Brahma Lodge are 1497 to 894 with a difference of 603 and a percentage of 62.6. I dont understand how there is a difference between the scores of 5 points yet the percentage difference is 1.5 per cent. Does this mean that if (for arguments sake) Brahma played Heccies this week and beat them by 6 points they would have a superior percentage?

[zedman]

these 25m's for "crowd or spectators" are getting pandemic..what is the exact ruling on this..as in..what rule are they calling on to give 25m penalties..is there even a rule or are we being hoodwinked?

I think they are just making the rules up!

SAAFL Rules & Regs
21.1 A 25-metre penalty may be enforced by a field umpire(s) where an umpire deems it to be applicable as per Law 18.1 of the Laws of Australian Football.

Laws of Australian Football
18.1 Where a field Umpire has awarded a Free Kick or a Mark to a Player, the field Umpire shall also award a Fifty-Metre Penalty in favour of that Player if he or she is of the opinion that any Player or Official from the opposing side:

So unless every spectator is deemed to be an official, the answer is they can't do it. Unless of course the SAAFL hasn't updated their rules and regs.

so they can use it if an official slags them..but not from spectators??..interesting

[Footy Chick]

as for the end of the game, i wouldn't single out one of our players, lots of people invovled in that caffuffle. i've heard there were some nasties taking place in there and of course the call of 'p!ss off back to div 6' no doubt helped the situation.

in the end it settled pretty quickly and everyone went their own way.

Oh, that one The only reason I singled him out as he was the only one left in our huddle and willing to take on the world after the rest of your blokes had huddled afterwards... meh, that's boys for you

Possibly one of the only positives I saw from the umps was when there was a bit of niggle going on at the stoppages, they were mostly quick to take the ball and throw it up to get minds back on the play as opposed to each other. (Ok, except for that first dust up)

[sprinttospace]

Forgive my ignorance but im trying to get my head around how percentage is calculated on the premiership ladder

Hectorville are currently 1385 to 777 with a differance of 608 and a percentage of 64.1 whilst Brahma Lodge are 1497 to 894 with a difference of 603 and a percentage of 62.6. I dont understand how there is a difference between the scores of 5 points yet the percentage difference is 1.5 per cent. Does this mean that if (for arguments sake) Brahma played Heccies this week and beat them by 6 points they would have a superior percentage?

i believe it is total scored for divided by the sum of total for and against.
1385 / (1385+777) = 66.4ish - just roughly calcuated off the top of my head

[The Bartman]

Forgive my ignorance but im trying to get my head around how percentage is calculated on the premiership ladder

Hectorville are currently 1385 to 777 with a differance of 608 and a percentage of 64.1 whilst Brahma Lodge are 1497 to 894 with a difference of 603 and a percentage of 62.6. I dont understand how there is a difference between the scores of 5 points yet the percentage difference is 1.5 per cent. Does this mean that if (for arguments sake) Brahma played Heccies this week and beat them by 6 points they would have a superior percentage?

Cant remember exactly how it is calculated but your % is higher when you have less points against as opposed to higher points for. This is why Heccies have a better %. (777 v's 894)