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Phantom Gossiper wrote:After realising all the work that had gone in over summer to recruit/retain and build for this season across the various clubs, and looking at how incredibly even the top 4 sides have become this season, looking ahead I'm curious on peoples thoughts about the end result for clubs that fall short when the cricket whites are getting dusted off in September.

If a club doesn't win the premiership this season or gain promotion, what impact will that have on these clubs? After a long and successful season, to fall short would it have a negative impact on clubs or positive(build a steely resolve, determination, focus etc)?

Take Rosewater for example (only because it's been well documented over their quality recruiting), if they fail this season, will they be able to retain their players next season? Mentally what sort of mindset would the playing group and people involved in the club hold approaching pre-season 2015 knowing that for the best part of 2 seasons they have been right at the top of the ladder but havent managed to take that last step? Not only that but knowing how successful you've been over the minor rounds so consistently and the gap from your best compared the worst side e.g. Angle Vale how hard would it be to motivate for another 9 months of total commitment?

On top of that what about the reserves if they win the flag, of course would be great but remaining in the same division next season, how will that impact them? I know personally looking back over the past couple of seasons in 7 and then this year in 6, it can be difficult at times to maintain the energy and motivation when there is such a large gap between the top sides and bottom and a majority of games appear a foregone conclusion before they are played and the margins reflect the lack of competitiveness in the match.

On the flip side, how do the clubs that go up and down respond? Would there be a fear of the unknown? For the side going up whether they can compete, what they lack and need, how much success they will have. For the side going down whether they can rebound and come back up, will they fall into a slump and find themselves down for an extended period of time.

Who would be feeling the pinch the most this August - the players or the football committees?

Anyway just trying to talk something else apart from suspensions and sanctions

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:No point arguing about the penalty at this late stage because the conditions have been laid down by SAAFL and I assume agreed to by Central United. I'm sure Central United came into the 2014 season knowing exactly where they stood and that included the consequences of them (or one individual) over stepping the line again.

Boosh wrote:

Phantom Gossiper wrote:After realising all the work that had gone in over summer to recruit/retain and build for this season across the various clubs, and looking at how incredibly even the top 4 sides have become this season, looking ahead I'm curious on peoples thoughts about the end result for clubs that fall short when the cricket whites are getting dusted off in September.

If a club doesn't win the premiership this season or gain promotion, what impact will that have on these clubs? After a long and successful season, to fall short would it have a negative impact on clubs or positive(build a steely resolve, determination, focus etc)?

Take Rosewater for example (only because it's been well documented over their quality recruiting), if they fail this season, will they be able to retain their players next season? Mentally what sort of mindset would the playing group and people involved in the club hold approaching pre-season 2015 knowing that for the best part of 2 seasons they have been right at the top of the ladder but havent managed to take that last step? Not only that but knowing how successful you've been over the minor rounds so consistently and the gap from your best compared the worst side e.g. Angle Vale how hard would it be to motivate for another 9 months of total commitment?

On top of that what about the reserves if they win the flag, of course would be great but remaining in the same division next season, how will that impact them? I know personally looking back over the past couple of seasons in 7 and then this year in 6, it can be difficult at times to maintain the energy and motivation when there is such a large gap between the top sides and bottom and a majority of games appear a foregone conclusion before they are played and the margins reflect the lack of competitiveness in the match.

On the flip side, how do the clubs that go up and down respond? Would there be a fear of the unknown? For the side going up whether they can compete, what they lack and need, how much success they will have. For the side going down whether they can rebound and come back up, will they fall into a slump and find themselves down for an extended period of time.

Who would be feeling the pinch the most this August - the players or the football committees?

Anyway just trying to talk something else apart from suspensions and sanctions

Rosewater would build for another crack again, there's still some gems hiding in North Havens C and D Grades they can unearth.

Look Good In Leather wrote:

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:No point arguing about the penalty at this late stage because the conditions have been laid down by SAAFL and I assume agreed to by Central United. I'm sure Central United came into the 2014 season knowing exactly where they stood and that included the consequences of them (or one individual) over stepping the line again.

This is what I see as being the issue at play here, it smacks of arrogance from the SAAFL. Clubs like Central United, Smithfield, Salisbury West and the like are becoming the collateral damage of the Amateur league's power grab in the late 90s. The Old Scholars wanted to control metropolitan football and part of that was taking over the district leagues.

Now they are realizing it is a bit harder to manage than that and the college boys don't like playing the northern clubs. They place ridiculous conditions on these clubs (knowing full well they have no alternative to got to) and wait for them to fail.

This is nothing more than a dick measuring contest to show who's boss.

Penalising premiership points for one individual's indiscretion - that is obscene. The conditions should have been on the players involved, if they get found guilty it would be double to triple penalties for example, not penalizing the majority for the acts of the minority.

The Amateur league want these clubs out, that is the only explanation.

Westfields
Para District Uniting
Mile End Cats
Salisbury College
Campbelltown-Magill
Paralowie
Ovingham
who will be the next former CDFA club that the SAAFL will end?

Look Good In Leather wrote:

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:No point arguing about the penalty at this late stage because the conditions have been laid down by SAAFL and I assume agreed to by Central United. I'm sure Central United came into the 2014 season knowing exactly where they stood and that included the consequences of them (or one individual) over stepping the line again.

This is what I see as being the issue at play here, it smacks of arrogance from the SAAFL. Clubs like Central United, Smithfield, Salisbury West and the like are becoming the collateral damage of the Amateur league's power grab in the late 90s. The Old Scholars wanted to control metropolitan football and part of that was taking over the district leagues.

Now they are realizing it is a bit harder to manage than that and the college boys don't like playing the northern clubs. They place ridiculous conditions on these clubs (knowing full well they have no alternative to got to) and wait for them to fail.

This is nothing more than a dick measuring contest to show who's boss.

Penalising premiership points for one individual's indiscretion - that is obscene. The conditions should have been on the players involved, if they get found guilty it would be double to triple penalties for example, not penalizing the majority for the acts of the minority.

The Amateur league want these clubs out, that is the only explanation.

Westfields
Para District Uniting
Mile End Cats
Salisbury College
Campbelltown-Magill
Paralowie
Ovingham
who will be the next former CDFA club that the SAAFL will end?

jo172 wrote:
Half the Amateur League Executive is from "northern clubs" like Greenacres and Brahma. Rampant paranoia if I've ever heard it.

The more likely explanation is that those clubs are being penalised due to their despicable records.

Look Good In Leather wrote:

jo172 wrote:
Half the Amateur League Executive is from "northern clubs" like Greenacres and Brahma. Rampant paranoia if I've ever heard it.

The more likely explanation is that those clubs are being penalised due to their despicable records.

Greenacres is not one of the ex CDFA clubs that I am aware, I thought they were North Adelaide District/Amateur League most of their history
Brahma Lodge is a fair call, or maybe they are just sinking the boots into their old rivals?

You only need to follow the attitudes on this forum to see that the old CDFA clubs are treated as the poor cousins. They do not fit the Amateur League and are certainly not seen as peers by the old scholars bloc.

jo172 wrote:

Yank Man wrote:

morell wrote:No marbles. No.

That makes a mockery of the comp. What if they were due to play Ingle Farm, WC, BOS or Rosies? That side gets a week off leading into the finals and a huge leg up over other teams. Also, those teams due to host a home game miss out on valuable revenue - unfair on them.

Think things through before you post mate.

What the league has done is fine, it's working, sucks for the good people at CU but they knew the rules.

Look morell, what you say is right and they clearly knew the rules. Jetters is also very right too it just doesn't happen in the top echelon of the league and it has absolutely nothing to do with your mercenary ideals.

For me you can control a club but you can't control individuals even if you think everything is going well. With respect I site my tenure at MP, I clearly knew the priors of Luke Mac and frankly him and Nat were key reasons for me coming to the den. Luke is a gun person with a lovely family and clearly had turned the corner, but guess what, one dumb brain fade and back to earth we came. Nothing in it at the time but under the new league sanctions we could have been bottom two. Don't get me wrong I would trust Luke with my life but I was always on edge when he played. Is he dirty, no, is a moron, no, does he have white line fever, you bet your ass. I'm sure Bain is no different but in this instance the entire club pays the penalty.

The other reasonable point is that when 90% of these incidents occur the Club (and people around the Club) will rarely be shocked at the identity of the perpetrator involved (I have no idea whether this is the case for Bain). In that case where the Club is on conditional affiliation they play those players at their own risk imo.

@Yank Man, if MP was hypothetically under the same conditional affiliation as Central United was for this year in 2012, would it have changed your approach?

Look Good In Leather wrote:

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:No point arguing about the penalty at this late stage because the conditions have been laid down by SAAFL and I assume agreed to by Central United. I'm sure Central United came into the 2014 season knowing exactly where they stood and that included the consequences of them (or one individual) over stepping the line again.

This is what I see as being the issue at play here, it smacks of arrogance from the SAAFL. Clubs like Central United, Smithfield, Salisbury West and the like are becoming the collateral damage of the Amateur league's power grab in the late 90s. The Old Scholars wanted to control metropolitan football and part of that was taking over the district leagues.

Now they are realizing it is a bit harder to manage than that and the college boys don't like playing the northern clubs. They place ridiculous conditions on these clubs (knowing full well they have no alternative to got to) and wait for them to fail.

This is nothing more than a dick measuring contest to show who's boss.

Penalising premiership points for one individual's indiscretion - that is obscene. The conditions should have been on the players involved, if they get found guilty it would be double to triple penalties for example, not penalizing the majority for the acts of the minority.

The Amateur league want these clubs out, that is the only explanation.

Westfields
Para District Uniting
Mile End Cats
Salisbury College
Campbelltown-Magill
Paralowie
Ovingham
who will be the next former CDFA club that the SAAFL will end?

X Runna wrote:The college push, and hence the condemnation of the northern based clubs, is all due to ONE person. This bloke feels he IS amateur league, and yet the SAAFL keep getting sucked in by it.

Get rid of this prick entirely & the rest of the 65 clubs will finally get some honesty.

wristwatcher wrote:

X Runna wrote:The college push, and hence the condemnation of the northern based clubs, is all due to ONE person. This bloke feels he IS amateur league, and yet the SAAFL keep getting sucked in by it.

Get rid of this prick entirely & the rest of the 65 clubs will finally get some honesty.

Is this about me

If it's not me pardon my ignorance as I'm out the loop but who are we talking about and is there a specific geographical line drawn where the bias begins

I recently moved to the Northern suburbs, should I be wary of random acts of bias I attended a college though so will I be free from condemnation.

Shit I'm confused

X Runna wrote:

wristwatcher wrote:

X Runna wrote:The college push, and hence the condemnation of the northern based clubs, is all due to ONE person. This bloke feels he IS amateur league, and yet the SAAFL keep getting sucked in by it.

Get rid of this prick entirely & the rest of the 65 clubs will finally get some honesty.

Is this about me

If it's not me pardon my ignorance as I'm out the loop but who are we talking about and is there a specific geographical line drawn where the bias begins

I recently moved to the Northern suburbs, should I be wary of random acts of bias I attended a college though so will I be free from condemnation.

Shit I'm confused

No WW, not about you. It's about the same bloke whom it's always been about. Not saying any more.

X Runna wrote:Not saying any more.

Look Good In Leather wrote: Westfields
Para District Uniting
Mile End Cats
Salisbury College
Campbelltown-Magill
Paralowie
Ovingham
who will be the next former CDFA club that the SAAFL will end?

Dogwatcher wrote:

Look Good In Leather wrote: Westfields
Para District Uniting
Mile End Cats
Salisbury College
Campbelltown-Magill
Paralowie
Ovingham
who will be the next former CDFA club that the SAAFL will end?

Pretty certain Westfields finished before the SAAFL days.
Mile End were booted after a trainer stabbed a Blakeview player with a pair of scissors (I know the victim of said stabbing). Blakeview, who you didn't mention, went because they were unsustainable, as were Ovingham, which had struggled for the best part of 20 years.
I don't recall a Salisbury College team, must've been a long time ago.
And Paralowie, I don't think their issues were the SAAFL's fault.

Good rant, though.

I have plenty of sympathy for Central United. However, they knew the rules for them this year and have worked hard to get around it. I don't see them complaining about anything, except for being let down by the actions of one representative. They've got a hard road ahead and, while I don't know too many people around the club these days, I know that they're keen to back it up - in order to survive.
To those who think it's easy to turnaround a club and just get rid of blokes before it happens, I'd like to see you come and try and work in a club that operates in these areas. The world's a pretty simple place when you come from, say, Unley. Rose-coloured glasses.