SAAFl Div 6 & 6R (2009)

[scottroo]

Its div 6, we cant expect quality umpires, take there decicions and move on, the worst thing you can do is say anything to them, they will give 25m penaltys! Take it on the chin, they may be wrong but whats argueing going to do? Also seems to be abit of sniping/dirtiness going on in div 6, I must say both hectoville and Glenunga were both very fair

[book worm]

Any chance we could bring "Jimmy Loughnan" back

[EddieV]

Any chance we could bring "Jimmy Loughnan" back

Maybe we should check the Div 7 forum as he may be getting in early!

[Trinity Girl]

Hey how about we lay off the umpiring standards and umpires in general!
I do agree that at times it may seem an umpire is "out to make himself change the game" or whatever but this isnt the case, umpires are "volunteers" and dedicate much of their time per week to help the rest of us play a game we all love.
Also i agree that some decisions do seem bad (to players and supporters) but you have to remember that they do not have all the angles and can only work with the positions and views they get. I believe that any umpire in the history of the game has never made a wrong decision (debatable) as in their eyes the free kick or non free kick has been awarded with 100% of their confidence that it is the right decison.
These guys dont make up free kicks either, although we can sometimes feel that this is not the case, umpires are out to do an unbiased job and most times get the decisions right (in everyones eyes).
Only thing i cant defend umpires on and this may be the problem is work rate, i can understand that being a little older or heavier than most of the players does have an effect on the positions they can put themselves in to see each contest, but if only 60% of umpires are turning up to training for fitness then this needs to be adressed, yes alot of us do have work commitments and such, but just plain not going to training does effect the whole of a team/individual. If these guys cant make it to contests then some (bad) decisions can be made.
To everyone that is complaining, this is a volunteer driven job and instead of standing on the sidelines whinging about the goings on, how about you try (and make a difference) and put your hand up to umpire, because from past experience i do know what its like to be on the other side and its not as easy as it seems.

Sorry but this is so stupid! Volunteer driven based job?? Yes B/C/D Grade they are volunteer based. As for A Grade games it is far from Volunteer. saafl supplied umpires where on $70 odd $$$ when i paid them a couple years ago so im sure its gone up in 2 years, so thats $35 per hour they get paid. I dont think any sensible employee would pay someone $35 hr that was un trained, unfit, half blind, or deaf! Im not saying this applies to all umpires but the ones i saw on the weekend should have been paying the clubs to put up with their disgraceful display of what they called umpiring! How can you call play from 30 - 40 metres away from the ball?? Most umpires ive seen in the last few seasons are so unfit and cause allot problems and fights on the field because of inconsistant decisions.
This weekend players were sent off, the umpire is suppose to run with that player to the boundary and inform the time keeper why he has been sent off and how long for, the weekends umpires where too lazy to be able to even do something as simple as a straight forward rule of umpiring!
IMO if you are getting paid the sort of money these umpires get paid per hour then they should meet basic requirments! Fitness, eye sight, hearing, basic yearly training! and seriuously an age limit should maybe be considered!
I know the saafl is short of umpires and i dont know what the solution is to fixing that problem but i think its disgracful on the saafl part that they send some of these umpires, players and clubs pay fees to the saafl and these umpires so they should be of some quality.
Im not saying this applies to all umpires, i think it would be a tough job and many are well deseving of the $$$ spent on them.

[WestIndiesWonder24]

Yeah umpiring hasnt been too bad, I myself are a new football player to Glenunga, played a fair bit of GSFL football myself....Finding it hard never played in losing games like this before, but finding most of the guys skills are not really up too scratch but hey were giving it a go every saturday and if we can improve every week will be good....Must say though being new to the SAAFL. The standard is quite good and enjoying the footy..We have played Both Brahma, who were a great team to much run for us and also CLG, who were also very impressive...I mean I have read the comments from Jimmy and really in bad taste has kind of made us look stupid..but every saturday Ill be going out having a leg and trying to get the boys to improve to a competitive standard..We have another side on sat..West Croyden..see they are going OK, so another big test for the boys this week good luck to all sides this year.....

[Groover]

Yeah umpiring hasnt been too bad, I myself are a new football player to Glenunga, played a fair bit of GSFL football myself....Finding it hard never played in losing games like this before, but finding most of the guys skills are not really up too scratch but hey were giving it a go every saturday and if we can improve every week will be good....Must say though being new to the SAAFL. The standard is quite good and enjoying the footy..We have played Both Brahma, who were a great team to much run for us and also CLG, who were also very impressive...I mean I have read the comments from Jimmy and really in bad taste has kind of made us look stupid..but every saturday Ill be going out having a leg and trying to get the boys to improve to a competitive standard..We have another side on sat..West Croyden..see they are going OK, so another big test for the boys this week good luck to all sides this year.....

Blokes like you mate cant be replaced in a footy side, keep at it though, you guys got the tough draw in playing two very strong sides first up. Only one way from here and dont worry i think you guys will knock up a couple wins before too long (just as long as its not against us)

[Jimmy_041]

Hey how about we lay off the umpiring standards and umpires in general!
I do agree that at times it may seem an umpire is "out to make himself change the game" or whatever but this isnt the case, umpires are "volunteers" and dedicate much of their time per week to help the rest of us play a game we all love.
Also i agree that some decisions do seem bad (to players and supporters) but you have to remember that they do not have all the angles and can only work with the positions and views they get. I believe that any umpire in the history of the game has never made a wrong decision (debatable) as in their eyes the free kick or non free kick has been awarded with 100% of their confidence that it is the right decison.
These guys dont make up free kicks either, although we can sometimes feel that this is not the case, umpires are out to do an unbiased job and most times get the decisions right (in everyones eyes).
Only thing i cant defend umpires on and this may be the problem is work rate, i can understand that being a little older or heavier than most of the players does have an effect on the positions they can put themselves in to see each contest, but if only 60% of umpires are turning up to training for fitness then this needs to be adressed, yes alot of us do have work commitments and such, but just plain not going to training does effect the whole of a team/individual. If these guys cant make it to contests then some (bad) decisions can be made.
To everyone that is complaining, this is a volunteer driven job and instead of standing on the sidelines whinging about the goings on, how about you try (and make a difference) and put your hand up to umpire, because from past experience i do know what its like to be on the other side and its not as easy as it seems.

Sorry but this is so stupid! Volunteer driven based job?? Yes B/C/D Grade they are volunteer based. As for A Grade games it is far from Volunteer. saafl supplied umpires where on $70 odd $$$ when i paid them a couple years ago so im sure its gone up in 2 years, so thats $35 per hour they get paid. I dont think any sensible employee would pay someone $35 hr that was un trained, unfit, half blind, or deaf! Im not saying this applies to all umpires but the ones i saw on the weekend should have been paying the clubs to put up with their disgraceful display of what they called umpiring! How can you call play from 30 - 40 metres away from the ball?? Most umpires ive seen in the last few seasons are so unfit and cause allot problems and fights on the field because of inconsistant decisions.
This weekend players were sent off, the umpire is suppose to run with that player to the boundary and inform the time keeper why he has been sent off and how long for, the weekends umpires where too lazy to be able to even do something as simple as a straight forward rule of umpiring!
IMO if you are getting paid the sort of money these umpires get paid per hour then they should meet basic requirments! Fitness, eye sight, hearing, basic yearly training! and seriuously an age limit should maybe be considered!
I know the saafl is short of umpires and i dont know what the solution is to fixing that problem but i think its disgracful on the saafl part that they send some of these umpires, players and clubs pay fees to the saafl and these umpires so they should be of some quality.
Im not saying this applies to all umpires, i think it would be a tough job and many are well deseving of the $$$ spent on them.

I hear what you say TGirl but I doubt the $70 or so is the prime motivator.

Best umpire outside of the top grades that I ever saw, was an ex-footballer with a pony tail in the 90's when we only had one umpire. He was a fitness fanatic and would do the Ds and then the Cs by himself. I remember a day when we played Goody Saints and got high 80s out of 100 from all 4 sides. I've never seen an umpire as good. Common sense, humour and would talk to the players. Even came into the GS bar for a beer after the main game.

[Jimmy_041]

Just like to add that after yesterdays game I am starting to understand why Payne and co were given the ass by Eastern Park. No class or character whatsoever, and Walton you are disgrace. To come from behind and king hit an 18yr on two separate occasions just proves that Eastern Parks decision to get rid of thugs like you was the correct one.
BL are not world beaters and on a larger ground they will be exposed.
For mine CLG are the benchmark.

Sounds like sour grapes to me....

Payney has plenty of character, I belive he showed some of it off when he kicked them few goals in the last, dunno about the whole class thing though...

As for Waltz, not condoning what he did but age shouldn't be a factor, old enough to play, old enough to cop a smacking...

Hope you get to watch a son play one day and remember these words

So, your saying that anyone playing in the seniors who is 18 or under are untouchable?

If you mean getting king hit from behind then Yes. And chuck in any player of any other age as well.

[Q.]

Who would be an umpire, abused when they don't blow the whistle, abused when they do. Player's just need to shut their traps in a game and focus on the next contest. Kicking around the sherrin is ten times easier than trying to make the correct interpretations on the ambiguous rules of our game.

[Dogmatic]

When umpires are doing Hectorville games can they please not wear orange.
Very difficult to spot them when they are not up with the play.
The umpires on Saturday appeared to blow the whistle to slow the play down so they could catch up.

[EddieV]

Yeah umpiring hasnt been too bad, I myself are a new football player to Glenunga, played a fair bit of GSFL football myself....Finding it hard never played in losing games like this before, but finding most of the guys skills are not really up too scratch but hey were giving it a go every saturday and if we can improve every week will be good....Must say though being new to the SAAFL. The standard is quite good and enjoying the footy..We have played Both Brahma, who were a great team to much run for us and also CLG, who were also very impressive...I mean I have read the comments from Jimmy and really in bad taste has kind of made us look stupid..but every saturday Ill be going out having a leg and trying to get the boys to improve to a competitive standard..We have another side on sat..West Croyden..see they are going OK, so another big test for the boys this week good luck to all sides this year.....

This is exaclty what clubs need and you should be commended for sticking it out. I know when i come to BL we were loosing week in and week out. So far this season we are 2-0 which is a position i have never been during my time at BL in the reserves so keep your head up these things do turn around.

[dodgingandweaving]

Well said WIW. I'm in the same boat, new to the Glenunga, the only difference between the sides that have beaten us thus far is fitness (both match fitness - due to having quite a few very handy guys who are re-starting their careers, and as you can understand after being out of the game for a few years, the first couple of games are the hardest in terms of finding your feet with the pace of the game, awareness and running the whole game out with a few niggling injuries. Also, not having the same fitness base as other teams makes it difficult. Their entire midfield runs all day, ours has half the midfield running all day - they get to more contests, and have more overlap and run for each other. We sorely lack a couple of talls to straighten us up in the spine. We have flankers/running type players trying to hold down key position spots against guys substantially taller and stronger. The club is focussed on re-building, and i know the new guys to the club are keen to stick at it all year and hopefully next year if the club does the right thing in the off-season and lures the required players we need to be competitive.

We did get a tough draw, hard to separate CLG & BL. CLG might have the wood over the older BL boys by the end of the season. But that might be counteracted by the experience of the BL boys at the pointy end of the season. I know it's early, but those two team will play major parts in the finals, and an early tip would be they'd both be their on the final in September.

Must say I'm very impressed with the level of professionalism, skills and talent on display in div 6. If anyone days div 6 footy is no good, then they have rocks in their head and should get down to a game involving two of the better teams. I honestly think CLG & BL would beat the bottom 5 GSFL teams, and give the rest a real good hit-out (in exception of Willunga & Langhorne Creek - Sorry this is the only comparison I can make, as it'sreally the only league I've been involved in enough to comment about)

Good luck to everyone for the rest of the season, it's certainly shaping up to a very, very competitive division. Just hope the rumours of a few blokes getting dirty aren't true. These players should be swiftly taken out of the competition. Nobody needs, nor wants that crap - we're all just here to play footy.

[carey]

Was sitting 5 metres away from the most biggest dog act i have ever seen in football. #1 from MP trying to send Hailesy's head into orbit with a kick resembling Ben Grahams punts in the NFL. Was an absolute disgrace. Should have the book thrown at him. But, without a doubt, he will most likely get 1-2 games.

Surely an attempted full force kick to the head is more serious than accidental contact to the throat. No doubt the tribunal will have a total different view of it because there was minimal contact and our bloke didnt get injured. Imagine if it did connect..... our bloke would have been in a real bad way.

Looking forward to finding out the tribunal verdicts this week.

your right mate as he did the smart thing and took the 2games offered 2him insted of going to the tribunal where he deserved 8 to 10 for a player of his age and ability it was a disgrace and if thats the way this "superstar" plays well good luck to mitchell park having the meat head.

[carey]

and in saying that its a shame the mitchell park coach has to put up with that shit as he is 1 of the best blokes getting around in the saafl and trys to have his team play the way it should be played just a few meat heads let him down time after time.

[carey]

great work you 2 glenunga blokes its because of people like you blokes footy clubs survive my advise is just hang in there lads a win isnt far away it never is you've had the bence marks of div6 in your 1st 2games thats tough real tough but just hang in there as i said b4 paralowie were a bee's dik away from closing the doors only a few years ago and they turned it around won a flag last year got new club rooms now have junior footy about 3 or 4 sides i think.
And on a side note won cricket and dart flags along the way i know that is off the topic but just want you blokes to see a club isnt bricks and mortar mate its the people in the place that make it a club from the capt. of the team, to the star player and right down to that bloke who is always smashed in the corner of the bar!
I now have the upmost respect for you 2 blokes and really do hope you's hang in there and get some wins on the board.

[carey]

browney reported you thug!

[Browny25]

I am still in shock with the umpiring from saturday

It seemed every with every contest that there had to be some sort of free kick paid and they completely ruined the game at stages. Many of the time it was the umpire who was "out of the play" that was blowing the whistle!

Lets just move on and hope we get a better standard this week

[Footy Chick]

I am still in shock with the umpiring from saturday

It seemed every with every contest that there had to be some sort of free kick paid and they completely ruined the game at stages. Many of the time it was the umpire who was "out of the play" that was blowing the whistle!

Lets just move on and hope we get a better standard this week

Browny, be quiet, anything you say may be used against you in a court of law

[Browny25]

browney reported you thug!

I thought I gave away! And then the umpire said to come off because he "heard a slap"!!! Heard!! So i thought it must have been a yellow (at the VERY worst), and then got told it was a red! The umpire didnt even tell me this!!!!!

At 3/4 time his story changed and apparently there was a clenched fist to the face!

Meanwhile I sit on the pine for a half of footy and we play 1 down for 10 minutes.... talk about ruining a saturday.

[carey]

I am still in shock with the umpiring from saturday

It seemed every with every contest that there had to be some sort of free kick paid and they completely ruined the game at stages. Many of the time it was the umpire who was "out of the play" that was blowing the whistle!

Lets just move on and hope we get a better standard this week

so is that why you belted some poor little poor freash from the under 15's?