SAAFl Div 6 & 6R (2009)

[Lads]

Mypaddock, I'd be very careful in throwing around rumours as to why Payney left EP.

I can also assure you it had nothing to do with him being a thug.

After just speaking to two people who were at the game, from both sides, it seems there was no thug-type behaviour from Carey Payne, after all, he is the coach and he realises he needs to lead by example.

Walton was very undisciplined and as a result, was benched for it. But to say this is why ep got rid of Payne and those that followed him is not correct nor warranted.

I'm sure the BL boys can give a better insight of yesterday incidents though.

As for no-one respecting BL, it's hard not to take your hat off to a club that managed to stay in div 6 by default and has been proactive in recruiting quality players to ensure it doesn't happen again. Their reward so far is a spot on top of the table.

Yeah cause you know everything FC. Get off your high horse.

Never claimed to know everything, but in this case I (and others) know a damned sight more than you.

and Im definitely not on any high horse. I don't like horses

Have you ever tried them with Lemon im thinking Yum Yum

[aceman]

Mypaddock, I'd be very careful in throwing around rumours as to why Payney left EP.

I can also assure you it had nothing to do with him being a thug.

After just speaking to two people who were at the game, from both sides, it seems there was no thug-type behaviour from Carey Payne, after all, he is the coach and he realises he needs to lead by example.

Walton was very undisciplined and as a result, was benched for it. But to say this is why ep got rid of Payne and those that followed him is not correct nor warranted.

I'm sure the BL boys can give a better insight of yesterday incidents though.

As for no-one respecting BL, it's hard not to take your hat off to a club that managed to stay in div 6 by default and has been proactive in recruiting quality players to ensure it doesn't happen again. Their reward so far is a spot on top of the table.

Yeah cause you know everything FC. Get off your high horse.

Never claimed to know everything, but in this case I (and others) know a damned sight more than you.

and Im definitely not on any high horse. I don't like horses

Yeah, so why the long face....?

Oh Boozer, an oldie but a goodie eh! Possums pages, Sunday Mail 17th November 1985

[Groover]

Hey how about we lay off the umpiring standards and umpires in general!
I do agree that at times it may seem an umpire is "out to make himself change the game" or whatever but this isnt the case, umpires are "volunteers" and dedicate much of their time per week to help the rest of us play a game we all love.
Also i agree that some decisions do seem bad (to players and supporters) but you have to remember that they do not have all the angles and can only work with the positions and views they get. I believe that any umpire in the history of the game has never made a wrong decision (debatable) as in their eyes the free kick or non free kick has been awarded with 100% of their confidence that it is the right decison.
These guys dont make up free kicks either, although we can sometimes feel that this is not the case, umpires are out to do an unbiased job and most times get the decisions right (in everyones eyes).
Only thing i cant defend umpires on and this may be the problem is work rate, i can understand that being a little older or heavier than most of the players does have an effect on the positions they can put themselves in to see each contest, but if only 60% of umpires are turning up to training for fitness then this needs to be adressed, yes alot of us do have work commitments and such, but just plain not going to training does effect the whole of a team/individual. If these guys cant make it to contests then some (bad) decisions can be made.
To everyone that is complaining, this is a volunteer driven job and instead of standing on the sidelines whinging about the goings on, how about you try (and make a difference) and put your hand up to umpire, because from past experience i do know what its like to be on the other side and its not as easy as it seems.

[book worm]

Hey how about we lay off the umpiring standards and umpires in general!
I do agree that at times it may seem an umpire is "out to make himself change the game" or whatever but this isnt the case, umpires are "volunteers" and dedicate much of their time per week to help the rest of us play a game we all love.
Also i agree that some decisions do seem bad (to players and supporters) but you have to remember that they do not have all the angles and can only work with the positions and views they get. I believe that any umpire in the history of the game has never made a wrong decision (debatable) as in their eyes the free kick or non free kick has been awarded with 100% of their confidence that it is the right decison.
These guys dont make up free kicks either, although we can sometimes feel that this is not the case, umpires are out to do an unbiased job and most times get the decisions right (in everyones eyes).
Only thing i cant defend umpires on and this may be the problem is work rate, i can understand that being a little older or heavier than most of the players does have an effect on the positions they can put themselves in to see each contest, but if only 60% of umpires are turning up to training for fitness then this needs to be adressed, yes alot of us do have work commitments and such, but just plain not going to training does effect the whole of a team/individual. If these guys cant make it to contests then some (bad) decisions can be made.
To everyone that is complaining, this is a volunteer driven job and instead of standing on the sidelines whinging about the goings on, how about you try (and make a difference) and put your hand up to umpire, because from past experience i do know what its like to be on the other side and its not as easy as it seems.

As far as I was aware, umpires were paid to umpire "A" grade games in the SAAFL. Am I wrong??

[Keepitreal]

Hey how about we lay off the umpiring standards and umpires in general!
I do agree that at times it may seem an umpire is "out to make himself change the game" or whatever but this isnt the case, umpires are "volunteers" and dedicate much of their time per week to help the rest of us play a game we all love.
Also i agree that some decisions do seem bad (to players and supporters) but you have to remember that they do not have all the angles and can only work with the positions and views they get. I believe that any umpire in the history of the game has never made a wrong decision (debatable) as in their eyes the free kick or non free kick has been awarded with 100% of their confidence that it is the right decison.
These guys dont make up free kicks either, although we can sometimes feel that this is not the case, umpires are out to do an unbiased job and most times get the decisions right (in everyones eyes).
Only thing i cant defend umpires on and this may be the problem is work rate, i can understand that being a little older or heavier than most of the players does have an effect on the positions they can put themselves in to see each contest, but if only 60% of umpires are turning up to training for fitness then this needs to be adressed, yes alot of us do have work commitments and such, but just plain not going to training does effect the whole of a team/individual. If these guys cant make it to contests then some (bad) decisions can be made.
To everyone that is complaining, this is a volunteer driven job and instead of standing on the sidelines whinging about the goings on, how about you try (and make a difference) and put your hand up to umpire, because from past experience i do know what its like to be on the other side and its not as easy as it seems.

League supplied umps get paid and not volunteers and pretty sure most club supplied umps would get some form of payment as well.

[Groover]

Yes they do get paid, but its a volunteer based industry, so virtually anyone can do it.

[Keepitreal]

Yes they do get paid, but its a volunteer based industry, so virtually anyone can do it.

...........and they certainly do it with their hand out straight after the final siren.

[Groover]

Yes they do get paid, but its a volunteer based industry, so virtually anyone can do it.

...........and they certainly do it with their hand out straight after the final siren.

After putting in many hours a week, then half your saturday (sometimes copping abuse no matter what decision you make) wouldnt you want some compensation as well?

[The Real Number 3]

Was sitting 5 metres away from the most biggest dog act i have ever seen in football. #1 from MP trying to send Hailesy's head into orbit with a kick resembling Ben Grahams punts in the NFL. Was an absolute disgrace. Should have the book thrown at him. But, without a doubt, he will most likely get 1-2 games.

Surely an attempted full force kick to the head is more serious than accidental contact to the throat. No doubt the tribunal will have a total different view of it because there was minimal contact and our bloke didnt get injured. Imagine if it did connect..... our bloke would have been in a real bad way.

Looking forward to finding out the tribunal verdicts this week.

[Keepitreal]

Yes they do get paid, but its a volunteer based industry, so virtually anyone can do it.

...........and they certainly do it with their hand out straight after the final siren.

After putting in many hours a week, then half your saturday (sometimes copping abuse no matter what decision you make) wouldnt you want some compensation as well?

Certainly and would have earned the money, making it a paid job and not volunterring out of the goodness of the heart.

[Jimmy_041]

Just like to add that after yesterdays game I am starting to understand why Payne and co were given the ass by Eastern Park. No class or character whatsoever, and Walton you are disgrace. To come from behind and king hit an 18yr on two separate occasions just proves that Eastern Parks decision to get rid of thugs like you was the correct one.
BL are not world beaters and on a larger ground they will be exposed.
For mine CLG are the benchmark.

Sounds like sour grapes to me....

Payney has plenty of character, I belive he showed some of it off when he kicked them few goals in the last, dunno about the whole class thing though...

As for Waltz, not condoning what he did but age shouldn't be a factor, old enough to play, old enough to cop a smacking...

Hope you get to watch a son play one day and remember these words

[Groover]

Yes they do get paid, but its a volunteer based industry, so virtually anyone can do it.

...........and they certainly do it with their hand out straight after the final siren.

After putting in many hours a week, then half your saturday (sometimes copping abuse no matter what decision you make) wouldnt you want some compensation as well?

Certainly and would have earned the money, making it a paid job and not volunterring out of the goodness of the heart.

agreed but not all volunteers are "free" even though that is the old style meaning.

[Jimmy_041]

Hey how about we lay off the umpiring standards and umpires in general!
I do agree that at times it may seem an umpire is "out to make himself change the game" or whatever but this isnt the case, umpires are "volunteers" and dedicate much of their time per week to help the rest of us play a game we all love.
Also i agree that some decisions do seem bad (to players and supporters) but you have to remember that they do not have all the angles and can only work with the positions and views they get. I believe that any umpire in the history of the game has never made a wrong decision (debatable) as in their eyes the free kick or non free kick has been awarded with 100% of their confidence that it is the right decison.
These guys dont make up free kicks either, although we can sometimes feel that this is not the case, umpires are out to do an unbiased job and most times get the decisions right (in everyones eyes).
Only thing i cant defend umpires on and this may be the problem is work rate, i can understand that being a little older or heavier than most of the players does have an effect on the positions they can put themselves in to see each contest, but if only 60% of umpires are turning up to training for fitness then this needs to be adressed, yes alot of us do have work commitments and such, but just plain not going to training does effect the whole of a team/individual. If these guys cant make it to contests then some (bad) decisions can be made.
To everyone that is complaining, this is a volunteer driven job and instead of standing on the sidelines whinging about the goings on, how about you try (and make a difference) and put your hand up to umpire, because from past experience i do know what its like to be on the other side and its not as easy as it seems.

Start by reading a rule book - how many players can say they've read a rulebook??

[carey18]

Was sitting 5 metres away from the most biggest dog act i have ever seen in football. #1 from MP trying to send Hailesy's head into orbit with a kick resembling Ben Grahams punts in the NFL. Was an absolute disgrace. Should have the book thrown at him. But, without a doubt, he will most likely get 1-2 games.

Surely an attempted full force kick to the head is more serious than accidental contact to the throat. No doubt the tribunal will have a total different view of it because there was minimal contact and our bloke didnt get injured. Imagine if it did connect..... our bloke would have been in a real bad way.

Looking forward to finding out the tribunal verdicts this week.

Boxhead nothing will come of it as a certain other club wasnt involved. Once again will say i have never seen anything as low as what he did.

[old moz]

RE. the umpires. if the umps made as many mistakes as the 'average' player in any grade then you blokes would really have something to complain about. this is amateur league, something a lot of players forget. be honest , look back on your own game ,did every kick , handball hit its target? did you grab every mark? if you really want to improve umpiring give up one playing game and give it a try. [because most of you believe it's so easy] simple fact..... no umps no game. get over it

[Noodles]

Just like to add that after yesterdays game I am starting to understand why Payne and co were given the ass by Eastern Park. No class or character whatsoever, and Walton you are disgrace. To come from behind and king hit an 18yr on two separate occasions just proves that Eastern Parks decision to get rid of thugs like you was the correct one.
BL are not world beaters and on a larger ground they will be exposed.
For mine CLG are the benchmark.

Sounds like sour grapes to me....

Payney has plenty of character, I belive he showed some of it off when he kicked them few goals in the last, dunno about the whole class thing though...

As for Waltz, not condoning what he did but age shouldn't be a factor, old enough to play, old enough to cop a smacking...

Hope you get to watch a son play one day and remember these words

So, your saying that anyone playing in the seniors who is 18 or under are untouchable?

[carey18]

2-0 and you are complaining about the umps? They are going to make mistakes like us as players do. Put your hands up and shut the mouth. Best advice you can be given.

[carey18]

How in the hell can you say smacking someone is part of the game?.

[Groover]

2-0 and you are complaining about the umps? They are going to make mistakes like us as players do. Put your hands up and shut the mouth. Best advice you can be given.

agreed, in my opinion its a cardinal sin to complain about them as well

[EddieV]

2-0 and you are complaining about the umps? They are going to make mistakes like us as players do. Put your hands up and shut the mouth. Best advice you can be given.

I think you will find that both BL and Heccies people have been on here and have mentioned that perhaps the standard of the umpiring was a little low on the weekend. I know personally i dont think it was biased towards one side or another just some decisions that were made appeared incorrect and as a result probably lowered the standard of football.