New Draft divisions for next year

[Footy Chick]

ok, well your clubs have had 2 drafts and a shiteload of time to bitch about it and you do it now After the final draw has been released.

It's C grade football FFS! It's not about the C grade!...and if your team sucks enough this year at least they'll be in a grade that suits more next year..

Why does everyone think that div 3 C graders are any better than div 5 C graders?

[woodublieve12]

ok, well your clubs have had 2 drafts and a shiteload of time to bitch about it and you do it now After the final draw has been released.

It's C grade football FFS! It's not about the C grade!...and if your team sucks enough this year at least they'll be in a grade that suits more next year..

Why does everyone think that div 3 C graders are any better than div 5 C graders?

Firstly the reason why d3 c graders will be better then d5 c graders is because when a club goes up the ranks there talent gets better. So the d3/d2 clubs will have more depth, better players to pick from...

Secondly, to say it's just c grade football IMO is somewhat an insult to the players playing it. Alot of people takeit seriously, mainly because they can't play any higher. I'll put $$$ on the fact that Hope valley took there premiership seriously and enjoyed it no differently then a b grade or A grade side and on the other side when north haven lost I bet they didn't think, "so what its just c grade!!".

Finally, I bitched all long and disagreed with this whole proposal thing FC...

[The Cows]

ok, well your clubs have had 2 drafts and a shiteload of time to bitch about it and you do it now After the final draw has been released.

It's C grade football FFS! It's not about the C grade!...and if your team sucks enough this year at least they'll be in a grade that suits more next year..

Why does everyone think that div 3 C graders are any better than div 5 C graders?

Firstly the reason why d3 c graders will be better then d5 c graders is because when a club goes up the ranks there talent gets better. So the d3/d2 clubs will have more depth, better players to pick from...

Secondly, to say it's just c grade football IMO is somewhat an insult to the players playing it. Alot of people takeit seriously, mainly because they can't play any higher. I'll put $$$ on the fact that Hope valley took there premiership seriously and enjoyed it no differently then a b grade or A grade side and on the other side when north haven lost I bet they didn't think, "so what its just c grade!!".

Finally, I bitched all long and disagreed with this whole proposal thing FC...

I'm with you FC, not much between all the c grade comps. Adelaide Uni proved that last year. We played them in the C2 GF at Hope Valley and the next year they played C1 and still made the GF and lost to a very strong Goody Saints side. Now if there is so much of a gap between the grades they should have been belted every week. Of course you will always get a strong side in whatever div you play but you blokes know that in the C grade comp there is usually a good 4-5 sides and then daylight after that. Lets re-visit this after the year and we will see how you end up. Knowing your sides like i do i don't doubt you will be around the mark come finals. Cause that all you are worried about, really.

[Executive Member]

Poor form by the saafl IMO regarding the draw and the gradings!!! Not a whole lot of common sense has been put into this!!! This doesn't benefit my club and im pretty sure it doesn't benefit alot of other clubs...
But I guess this is what the delegates wanted, they voted it in

You sound confused, you blame the league - and can tell you a lot of thought went into it as was based on performance last year
Then you say it won't benefit a lot of clubs but then admit the clubs voted it in

Embrace the change and if clubs not individuals within clubs don't like it they can change it next year

If we didn't continue to try and improve then we would still have delegates meetings at Tynte Street and be playing finals on neutral grounds

Give it a chance

[barbs]

ok, well your clubs have had 2 drafts and a shiteload of time to bitch about it and you do it now After the final draw has been released.

It's C grade football FFS! It's not about the C grade!...and if your team sucks enough this year at least they'll be in a grade that suits more next year..

Why does everyone think that div 3 C graders are any better than div 5 C graders?

Firstly the reason why d3 c graders will be better then d5 c graders is because when a club goes up the ranks there talent gets better. So the d3/d2 clubs will have more depth, better players to pick from...

Secondly, to say it's just c grade football IMO is somewhat an insult to the players playing it. Alot of people takeit seriously, mainly because they can't play any higher. I'll put $$$ on the fact that Hope valley took there premiership seriously and enjoyed it no differently then a b grade or A grade side and on the other side when north haven lost I bet they didn't think, "so what its just c grade!!".

Finally, I bitched all long and disagreed with this whole proposal thing FC...

Are you your clubs delegate? Did you speak to your clubs delegate? If he or she doesn't read this forum they might not know your concerns.

[Jimmy_041]

As our ex-coach said on here, PAOC have played in C4 (x2), C3 & C2 in the past 4 years and he said C4 was the hardest
You dont get much more objective than that considering they have won 4 premierships in a row.

[S Demon]

ok, well your clubs have had 2 drafts and a shiteload of time to bitch about it and you do it now After the final draw has been released.

It's C grade football FFS! It's not about the C grade!...and if your team sucks enough this year at least they'll be in a grade that suits more next year..

Why does everyone think that div 3 C graders are any better than div 5 C graders?

1) It is about the C grade when they've re-jigged the whole C grade competition

2) We will compete and have a crack like we always do, in C2 or not. I would just like to know the logic behind the decision to put us and Luthies in C2 when every other club from Div 5 is either in C3 or C4 and when teams who were above us last year and made the finals are in C3

and 3) Are you volunteering to try and change 14 games to 10.15 or 12.15? I assume our calls will be reduced this year to allow for the time, effort and phone calls that need to be made to try and organise triple headers? Have you ever tried to do it?

[S Demon]

It just seems a shame that when we play Fitzroy, Brahma, Kenilworth, Rosewater and Glenunga, they won't be triple headers with the same clubs involved.

I understand that is now gone because of promotion/relegation. I still stand by my opinion that the C grade sides should have been aligned to the A grade sides as best they can for this year and that selecting divisions based on last year's form wasn't the right way to go about it

I thought the clubs voted it in on the basis that all games would be scheduled as triple headers? Maybe I was misinformed

[Footy Chick]

ok, well your clubs have had 2 drafts and a shiteload of time to bitch about it and you do it now After the final draw has been released.

It's C grade football FFS! It's not about the C grade!...and if your team sucks enough this year at least they'll be in a grade that suits more next year..

Why does everyone think that div 3 C graders are any better than div 5 C graders?

1) It is about the C grade when they've re-jigged the whole C grade competition

which will end up being more even rather than teams getting belted by 200pts each week
2) We will compete and have a crack like we always do, in C2 or not. I would just like to know the logic behind the decision to put us and Luthies in C2 when every other club from Div 5 is either in C3 or C4 and when teams who were above us last year and made the finals are in C3.

Because us and Luthies were standouts, and I know we'll have a crack, but when the president is admitting defeat already because we're playing a C graders that were in higher divisions, it doenst do much for the mindset of the team.

and 3) Are you volunteering to try and change 14 games to 10.15 or 12.15? I assume our calls will be reduced this year to allow for the time, effort and phone calls that need to be made to try and organise triple headers? Have you ever tried to do it?

Calls have already been reduced this year, they wont be reducing them again for your benefit for the sake of a couple of dozen phone calls

[Footy Chick]

ok, well your clubs have had 2 drafts and a shiteload of time to bitch about it and you do it now After the final draw has been released.

It's C grade football FFS! It's not about the C grade!...and if your team sucks enough this year at least they'll be in a grade that suits more next year..

Why does everyone think that div 3 C graders are any better than div 5 C graders?

Firstly the reason why d3 c graders will be better then d5 c graders is because when a club goes up the ranks there talent gets better. So the d3/d2 clubs will have more depth, better players to pick from...

Secondly, to say it's just c grade football IMO is somewhat an insult to the players playing it. Alot of people takeit seriously, mainly because they can't play any higher. I'll put $$$ on the fact that Hope valley took there premiership seriously and enjoyed it no differently then a b grade or A grade side and on the other side when north haven lost I bet they didn't think, "so what its just c grade!!".

Finally, I bitched all long and disagreed with this whole proposal thing FC...

To clarify, I didnt mean that C grade was crap or anything, I meant that, for the majority of clubs Im assuming, that their main concern is the success of the A grade.

[hotpies]

Speaking to the Mawson lakes rep last night, i know he has his work cut out a bit. They were hoping for C4 but have landed in C3.
Looking at there fixture and they have 2 games away followed by 5 at home,then the bye, then the SAAFL bye then 3 at home followed by 6 away!
Good luck to him organizing triple headers!

[Yardy Lard]

Lets just see how the year pans out first. Sure it seems like there could be some changes made to suit everyone, but as also stated, lets just see how this year pans out and then decide over the summer. Certain things are not ideal with it, but getting a draw up that suits all 66 clubs would be absolutely impossible, even in the best of circumstances. Best take a chill pill on this and work with it in 2012 - see the bad and good points and then fix it again at the end of the season. Certainly, the beltings that were happening last year, were not ideal either and probably a big reason for the change to a new system. As said - work out what is bad and then come back and fix it.

[Jetters]

It just seems a shame that when we play Fitzroy, Brahma, Kenilworth, Rosewater and Glenunga, they won't be triple headers with the same clubs involved.

I understand that is now gone because of promotion/relegation. I still stand by my opinion that the C grade sides should have been aligned to the A grade sides as best they can for this year and that selecting divisions based on last year's form wasn't the right way to go about it

I thought the clubs voted it in on the basis that all games would be scheduled as triple headers? Maybe I was misinformed

S Demon, Unley will be keen to switch around home and away games in rounds 1 and 10 to give each club triple headers in both rounds.

[Footy Chick]

as will Portland.

[SATCHEL]

Lets just see how the year pans out first. Sure it seems like there could be some changes made to suit everyone, but as also stated, lets just see how this year pans out and then decide over the summer. Certain things are not ideal with it, but getting a draw up that suits all 66 clubs would be absolutely impossible, even in the best of circumstances. Best take a chill pill on this and work with it in 2012 - see the bad and good points and then fix it again at the end of the season. Certainly, the beltings that were happening last year, were not ideal either and probably a big reason for the change to a new system. As said - work out what is bad and then come back and fix it.

WOW YL. You do actually have something intelligent to add on here Just kidding. After the discussion at our club and about the place. I was advised that we were having triple headers coming out the wazoo. We have ONE (1). Im really disappointed to be honest. Also the change to the sides was not as bad as i thought. Only change being Unley in and Adel Uni out. To be perfectly honest there is so much uncertainty about the new gradings, the way the Div's will work and how the sides will react to the changes on any given Saturday. No comment can really bhe past on the success until the break in the middle. That should give us some indication on how we are travelling in the interim. Until the end of the year not much more can be passed. Until then lets have a crack, have a look at it and then make our judgement. I completley understand some of the frustrations but you never knwo what can happen form here until round 1 and then round 18 and into the finals. I will put it out there and say taht im ratehr annoyed at the triple header scenario for us.

[SATCHEL]

as will Portland.

Sorry, just saw this. YES very keen as per my previous comment. Please anyone in C2 please PM me if you are keen to have a look at the prospects of Triple Headers

[Footy Chick]

Lets just see how the year pans out first. Sure it seems like there could be some changes made to suit everyone, but as also stated, lets just see how this year pans out and then decide over the summer. Certain things are not ideal with it, but getting a draw up that suits all 66 clubs would be absolutely impossible, even in the best of circumstances. Best take a chill pill on this and work with it in 2012 - see the bad and good points and then fix it again at the end of the season. Certainly, the beltings that were happening last year, were not ideal either and probably a big reason for the change to a new system. As said - work out what is bad and then come back and fix it.

WOW YL. You do actually have something intelligent to add on here Just kidding. After the discussion at our club and about the place. I was advised that we were having triple headers coming out the wazoo. We have ONE (1). Im really disappointed to be honest. Also the change to the sides was not as bad as i thought. Only change being Unley in and Adel Uni out. To be perfectly honest there is so much uncertainty about the new gradings, the way the Div's will work and how the sides will react to the changes on any given Saturday. No comment can really bhe past on the success until the break in the middle. That should give us some indication on how we are travelling in the interim. Until the end of the year not much more can be passed. Until then lets have a crack, have a look at it and then make our judgement. I completley understand some of the frustrations but you never knwo what can happen form here until round 1 and then round 18 and into the finals. I will put it out there and say taht im ratehr annoyed at the triple header scenario for us.

[finn]

What happened to the league trying to make it all triple headers?

Yeah we have just 6 triple headers I believe. Trying hard for more, but not liking our chances

Which is six more than several years ago... but I also believe that weekly triple headers detracts from their uniqueness and people go back into habits and won't stick around or get there early to see the other grades.

What is a problem for us lower graders at Uni was the communication breakdown when we agreed to transfer our c1 and c3 sides to div 8 when Unley pulled out only to discover that the draw had us going from c2 and c3. Effectively our fifth side is div 8 and sixth side in c1 (c4 in 2010) which had a very good upper echelon of sides. It's not easy programming I realise, and I think this year's positioning of teams is pretty good, but perhaps there should be a blanket understanding that any transfer of clubs from grade to grade is made with the club concerned being consulted.

I also believe that any stand alone club with one side should be in the highest c grade division and that any side going from a two sided competition to one sided should go into the highest c competition with one side. A blanket rule makes it much easier to know what is going on rather than having different outcomes for different years.

Having said that, bring on season 2012.

[LMA]

What happened to the league trying to make it all triple headers?

Yeah we have just 6 triple headers I believe. Trying hard for more, but not liking our chances

Which is six more than several years ago... but I also believe that weekly triple headers detracts from their uniqueness and people go back into habits and won't stick around or get there early to see the other grades.

What is a problem for us lower graders at Uni was the communication breakdown when we agreed to transfer our c1 and c3 sides to div 8 when Unley pulled out only to discover that the draw had us going from c2 and c3. Effectively our fifth side is div 8 and sixth side in c1 (c4 in 2010) which had a very good upper echelon of sides. It's not easy programming I realise, and I think this year's positioning of teams is pretty good, but perhaps there should be a blanket understanding that any transfer of clubs from grade to grade is made with the club concerned being consulted.

I also believe that any stand alone club with one side should be in the highest c grade division and that any side going from a two sided competition to one sided should go into the highest c competition with one side. A blanket rule makes it much easier to know what is going on rather than having different outcomes for different years.

Having said that, bring on season 2012.

Totally agree, great for sponsors, reunion etc days

[The Dark Knight]

ok, well your clubs have had 2 drafts and a shiteload of time to bitch about it and you do it now After the final draw has been released.

It's C grade football FFS! It's not about the C grade!...and if your team sucks enough this year at least they'll be in a grade that suits more next year..

Why does everyone think that div 3 C graders are any better than div 5 C graders?

Firstly the reason why d3 c graders will be better then d5 c graders is because when a club goes up the ranks there talent gets better. So the d3/d2 clubs will have more depth, better players to pick from...

Secondly, to say it's just c grade football IMO is somewhat an insult to the players playing it. Alot of people takeit seriously, mainly because they can't play any higher. I'll put $$$ on the fact that Hope valley took there premiership seriously and enjoyed it no differently then a b grade or A grade side and on the other side when north haven lost I bet they didn't think, "so what its just c grade!!".

Finally, I bitched all long and disagreed with this whole proposal thing FC...

Definitely didn't think that at all, not just the C graders but the whole club were extremly disappointed of how they performed that day.