Changes to relegation/promotion

[HH3]

That might be true. But from a players perspective, if we made the Grand Final, we would want more than anything to win it.

I think if they reduced the Promotions and Relegations we would end up with 7 Southern Football Leagues eventually. Obviously the gaps not going to be as big, but most Divisions will be lopsided for multiple years at a time.

[laser]

Nothing wrong with sensible debate Gatt
They have provided their reasoning, and so should be considered by the clubs.

I still prefer the concept of Premier and Minor Premier in each grade going up.
The final 5 system works against the Minor Premier.
But that got voted down and so we move on

And if the Premier and Minor Premier are the same team, only they go up ? Or does the runner up as well in this case ?

[Lightning McQueen]

Nothing wrong with sensible debate Gatt
They have provided their reasoning, and so should be considered by the clubs.

I still prefer the concept of Premier and Minor Premier in each grade going up.
The final 5 system works against the Minor Premier.
But that got voted down and so we move on

And if the Premier and Minor Premier are the same team, only they go up ? Or does the runner up as well in this case ?

Runner up aswell, like most cricket associations.

[silent hour]

Nothing wrong with sensible debate Gatt
They have provided their reasoning, and so should be considered by the clubs.

I still prefer the concept of Premier and Minor Premier in each grade going up.
The final 5 system works against the Minor Premier.
But that got voted down and so we move on

Not sure I like this Jimmy- if the team that finishes 3rd at the end of the minor rounds and makes the GF after defeating the minor premier in the 2nd semi but then is defeated by the team that finished 2nd (at end of the minor rounds) in the GF doesn't get promoted but the minor premier does, who has lost both finals!

[D14]

I like the fact that you get to play different teams every year.

[Footy Follower]

Good to see the amatuer league thinking outside the square and seeing if they can make the competition better. Always good to discuss new topics.
I do think however the current relegation and promotional system works well. The new idea would make it really hard for teams to rise up through the divisions. The saying "any team can win on the day" probably is key here. There has been a lot of teams in the past 5 years or so who have been the best team all year and then lose the GF. But then the following year do much better than the team that beat them in the GF when playing in the higher division.
Examples: Salisbury beat Parahills in the div 4 GF 4 or 5 years back. Eastern Park beat Phos Camden 2 years ago in div 2.
It would be pretty heart breaking if all year you dominated to only lose the GF and stay down. If you get knocked out in straights sets however and don't make the GF then obviously there is more to it than just a bad day.

Leave it how it is!!!

[Senor Moto Gadili]

I believe the current system works pretty well. Had quick look at the table and I don't see any hard luck stories from any of the teams that will finish 9th this year. I think they have earnt the right to play in a lower grade where they can be more competitive. Woody South won 8 games in Div 5 last year and got relegated, but this is a very rare occurence. I don't think it has done them any harm either. They have kept their team and are flying in Div 6, so you would expect they will hit the ground running in Div 5 next year. You could tweak the two up and two down system by saying a team that wins a minimum of 6 games has earnt their right to stay in that grade, therefore, if you finish 9th with 6 or more wins you stay up and if you finish 9th with 5 or less wins you go down.

[LMA]

I think the system is good the way it is. I do like the idea of promoting the Minor premier though, why not reward the best team over 18 weeks in a true home and away competition. The premiership is the reward for the best team over 3 or 4 weeks

[CoverKing]

Makes me wonder what is their angle?

Places greater importance on winning the Grand Final than rather the weeks before in the 2nd Semi & preliminary finals.....

Do they think players and clubs dont think winning the Grandys that important now?

Well in the SAAFL to progress in the system you only need to make the Grand Final. I'm sure some clubs committee see promotion as a measure of success.

I'm sorry but if i was playing in a side and we lost the GF. I would, and i would expect the entire side to not believe the year as a success. You play to win premierships, not get promoted IMO

[lutz]

What's everyone think about the proposal to change the relegation/promotion system to just the PREMIERS being promoted and the WOODEN SPOONERS being relegated?

Sounds ok for clubs higher up, (Portland raised it) but makes it even harder for clubs trying to climb the ranks. From our point of view, we haven't won an A grade flag since 1994, but have and were in Div 7 in 2005. We managed to get ourselves into Div 5 by making 2 grand finals (lost both). IMO, promotion is a pretty good silver medal after losing a GF and under this new system we could potentially still be in Div 7.

One of the arguments put forward is that it makes it hard for clubs who get relegated to attract players and sponsors, so why make it harder than it already is to go back up?

Funny, as Portland wouldn't be in D2 if ths system had been in place.

[woodublieve12]

Nothing wrong with sensible debate Gatt
They have provided their reasoning, and so should be considered by the clubs.

I still prefer the concept of Premier and Minor Premier in each grade going up.
The final 5 system works against the Minor Premier.
But that got voted down and so we move on

Don't agree... It's not soccer!!! If you can't make the GF when you finish minor premiers, well you're not good enough and don't deserve to go up... How does the finals system work against minor premiers???? You get week off, home final and a double chance!!!! What more do you want??? Can't make it from ther, well get off....

[Jimmy_041]

I have always said promotion is a reward for the whole club whereas the premiership is more a reward for the team, so from a club perspective, I would prefer the 2 team promotion/relegation system.

[HH3]

I believe the current system works pretty well. Had quick look at the table and I don't see any hard luck stories from any of the teams that will finish 9th this year. I think they have earnt the right to play in a lower grade where they can be more competitive. Woody South won 8 games in Div 5 last year and got relegated, but this is a very rare occurence. I don't think it has done them any harm either. They have kept their team and are flying in Div 6, so you would expect they will hit the ground running in Div 5 next year. You could tweak the two up and two down system by saying a team that wins a minimum of 6 games has earnt their right to stay in that grade, therefore, if you finish 9th with 6 or more wins you stay up and if you finish 9th with 5 or less wins you go down.

Wheres that leave to team that finishes runner up the division below? They have to rely on a club they have nothing to do with and no influence on losing to go up. Coz if only one goes down, only one can go up. Its too complicated, and it really leaves a clubs path through the divisions reliant on clubs they dont even play during the year.

2 up/2 down. Easy. It doesnt need to be changed.

[The Dark Knight]

I believe the current system works pretty well. Had quick look at the table and I don't see any hard luck stories from any of the teams that will finish 9th this year. I think they have earnt the right to play in a lower grade where they can be more competitive. Woody South won 8 games in Div 5 last year and got relegated, but this is a very rare occurence. I don't think it has done them any harm either. They have kept their team and are flying in Div 6, so you would expect they will hit the ground running in Div 5 next year. You could tweak the two up and two down system by saying a team that wins a minimum of 6 games has earnt their right to stay in that grade, therefore, if you finish 9th with 6 or more wins you stay up and if you finish 9th with 5 or less wins you go down.

Wheres that leave to team that finishes runner up the division below? They have to rely on a club they have nothing to do with and no influence on losing to go up. Coz if only one goes down, only one can go up. Its too complicated, and it really leaves a clubs path through the divisions reliant on clubs they dont even play during the year.
2 up/2 down. Easy. It doesnt need to be changed.

Agreed, I thought that wasn't a bad idea at first but yes it would be too complicated.