New junior football structure

[Bulls forever]

From my source within the inner sanctum, the Ex are not in favour of the proposal and it was only at their insistance that this report has been released to the member clubs. The affiliation with the SANFL is not an issue, it is the benefits that come with thatn affiliation, ie data base, sponsorship, support. In effect if the clubs vote not to be part of the change and choose to go it alone, the club fee per player to NEMJFA will probably increase by about $10 per player. The NEMJFA does have very big bargaining power when you consider they have half of all Junior League metro players. School competition in this area is almost non existant hence the need to have strong JL in the area. Rule changes will be significant as most of you mention. The non football parts of the report are interesting, volunteer support - we all know this is big issue at clubs and perhaps society in general, good luck to them in that.
Bottom line, although they haven't said it, is that they must change to continue their funding from the AFL. Anyway I will be ninterested party at the presidents meeting and remember the clubs will decide.

[locky801]

Thanks BF for the input, most of what came out in the initial report was spot on, it's the AFL Junior Policy which worries me, if alot of those polices are implemented i can see alot of kids walking away from Aussie Rules. Personally i think more time is needed so as clubs can get and speak with parents etc and get a feel for what they want for their kids, after all, it's about the kids. Having said that, my 10 year old son who has played now 70 games as read the AFL policy and said straight out, if it comes in, he may as well go and play soccer.

As for volunteers on home games we do it on a roster basis with all parents from our Juniors for 90 minutes one Sunday, 90 minutes in a whole season isnt bad and they all comply. As for others we have a 10 fold strong Junior Committee and numerous other volunteers that come back year in year out

[mickey]

i think tackling should be allowed in all grades, its a skill that needs to be taught at a young age. I find it very funny that we allow kids to bump and not tackle when if watching the AFL the bump is almost out of the game for fear of high head contact. look at hawthorn there instructing there players not to bump.

excellent point bulldogs, i totally agree

I think you'll find the "2 bump" rule no longer applies and tackling is allowed from u8s or 9s onwards- well in NEMJFA anyway.

Originally the point of not having tackling was to allow the kids to develop there skills, but now you watch a JNR game (anything below u/12s) and its a shamozzle because the ground isn't broken up into zones and you have 40 kids chasing a ball whilst being allowed to tackle, which is a joke if you ask me. Barely no clean possessions at all.

bit like watching AFL this season........

[Clever Dick]

Any thoughts ?

The main issue is the JDL’s Governance Board they want to set up which will control Junior Football.

The JDL’s Governance board will sit under the Community Football Board that the seniors clubs now come under. Part of the deal is we will get 1 Rep on the Community Football Board – currently JDL’s have no rep on this Board.

This board will have lots of power to change the following

1. Rules for Junior football (AFL wants AFL Next Generation rules to be used) for all juniors in all states Done a few years ago in line with the green Book,

2. Age Groups as above
3. Zones (rezone what clubs play in what Junior League) Even up the Leagues by putting GG, Modbury, TTG in the CDJFL group
4. Affiliation Fees Levies per player as per Victoria
5. Sponsorship ( for example Community Football apparel )6 suppliers who pay the CFB for that arrangement

If we agree to being part of this Board of Governance All the Junior Associations and Clubs will have to abide by what this Board decides.

If we don’t agree to setting up this board we will not be affiliated with the SANFL and therefore may not get any assistance such as

· Free access to the AFL database “Footyweb, sporting pulse” & websites

· AFL player payment monies

· Insurance

· Curtain Raiser games

· SANFL resources such as score cards/ umpire report pads (currently we get free)

· McDonalds sponsorship Go local and source your own, it's not hard.
The SANFL want the JDL’s to finalise the board make up on the 16th of June!

The current suggested structure of this board is 8 members with an Independent chairman, made up of 1 rep from NEMJFA, MSJFL, CDJFL, MWJFL, School Football Rep, SANFL game Development Rep, Rep from another Junior Football League ie Southern Junior Football League, Independent Rep i.e. Office of Sport & Rec. (SANFL wanted a rep from SAAFL on this Board but the JDL’s voted against it)

Basically NEMFA will have one vote on this Board.

We need Clubs to fully understand what agreeing to this Board will mean and what not agreeing to this Board will mean!

I have put forward several posts on this subject under Community Football on both Country & SAAFL threads, you may wish to read them if you want some interesting reading that was brought to my attention months ago on this subject.
Beware of Takeovers!!! By the way, I am told that only 1 Junior League IS IN Favour 100%, that is the CDJFL and if you look at the shape they are in and with what they are to gain, Blind Freddy can see why they would agree.!

[Bulls forever]

MM, it gets more interesting the more of the report you read. I'm told that NEMJFA will probably be split in 3, the red and white divisions will become a thing of the past based on this.
Then you read the Mercy Rule, Walkerville v someone and Walkerville are 10 goals up at half time. The game is declared, the mercy rule invoked and they split the teams to even them up for the second half.
If I am wrong let me know, but that is what I read.l

[locky801]

Any thoughts ?

The main issue is the JDL’s Governance Board they want to set up which will control Junior Football.

The JDL’s Governance board will sit under the Community Football Board that the seniors clubs now come under. Part of the deal is we will get 1 Rep on the Community Football Board – currently JDL’s have no rep on this Board.

This board will have lots of power to change the following

1. Rules for Junior football (AFL wants AFL Next Generation rules to be used) for all juniors in all states Done a few years ago in line with the green Book,

2. Age Groups as above
3. Zones (rezone what clubs play in what Junior League) Even up the Leagues by putting GG, Modbury, TTG in the CDJFL group
4. Affiliation Fees Levies per player as per Victoria
5. Sponsorship ( for example Community Football apparel )6 suppliers who pay the CFB for that arrangement

If we agree to being part of this Board of Governance All the Junior Associations and Clubs will have to abide by what this Board decides.

If we don’t agree to setting up this board we will not be affiliated with the SANFL and therefore may not get any assistance such as

· Free access to the AFL database “Footyweb, sporting pulse” & websites

· AFL player payment monies

· Insurance

· Curtain Raiser games

· SANFL resources such as score cards/ umpire report pads (currently we get free)

· McDonalds sponsorship Go local and source your own, it's not hard.
The SANFL want the JDL’s to finalise the board make up on the 16th of June!

The current suggested structure of this board is 8 members with an Independent chairman, made up of 1 rep from NEMJFA, MSJFL, CDJFL, MWJFL, School Football Rep, SANFL game Development Rep, Rep from another Junior Football League ie Southern Junior Football League, Independent Rep i.e. Office of Sport & Rec. (SANFL wanted a rep from SAAFL on this Board but the JDL’s voted against it)

Basically NEMFA will have one vote on this Board.

We need Clubs to fully understand what agreeing to this Board will mean and what not agreeing to this Board will mean!

I have put forward several posts on this subject under Community Football on both Country & SAAFL threads, you may wish to read them if you want some interesting reading that was brought to my attention months ago on this subject.
Beware of Takeovers!!! By the way, I am told that only 1 Junior League IS IN Favour 100%, that is the CDJFL and if you look at the shape they are in and with what they are to gain, Blind Freddy can see why they would agree.!

Guess until next Tuesday night Clever we have no idea which wasy the clubs in the NEMJFA will go and one would like to know where the NEMJFA executive stand with this right now

[locky801]

MM, it gets more interesting the more of the report you read. I'm told that NEMJFA will probably be split in 3, the red and white divisions will become a thing of the past based on this.
Then you read the Mercy Rule, Walkerville v someone and Walkerville are 10 goals up at half time. The game is declared, the mercy rule invoked and they split the teams to even them up for the second half.
If I am wrong let me know, but that is what I read.l

Perhaps they should have done that a few years ago in a GF in the AFL

[Bulls forever]

locky, that was bliss. Pretty sure this will come down to the clubs and not much direction from Ex. Apparetnly David Hutton attending Tuesday and they want decision on Wed night from NEMJFA. Perhaps you should do some background work with other clubs and tell them you want to end of footy season prior to making decision. Or perhaps they should have specifics in respect to what they are going to do too football before they bring this to the table, anyway once you sign away, there will be no going back.

[aceman]

Any thoughts ?

The main issue is the JDL’s Governance Board they want to set up which will control Junior Football.

The JDL’s Governance board will sit under the Community Football Board that the seniors clubs now come under. Part of the deal is we will get 1 Rep on the Community Football Board – currently JDL’s have no rep on this Board.

This board will have lots of power to change the following

1. Rules for Junior football (AFL wants AFL Next Generation rules to be used) for all juniors in all states Done a few years ago in line with the green Book,

2. Age Groups as above
3. Zones (rezone what clubs play in what Junior League) Even up the Leagues by putting GG, Modbury, TTG in the CDJFL group
4. Affiliation Fees Levies per player as per Victoria
5. Sponsorship ( for example Community Football apparel )6 suppliers who pay the CFB for that arrangement

If we agree to being part of this Board of Governance All the Junior Associations and Clubs will have to abide by what this Board decides.

If we don’t agree to setting up this board we will not be affiliated with the SANFL and therefore may not get any assistance such as

· Free access to the AFL database “Footyweb, sporting pulse” & websites

· AFL player payment monies

· Insurance

· Curtain Raiser games

· SANFL resources such as score cards/ umpire report pads (currently we get free)

· McDonalds sponsorship Go local and source your own, it's not hard.
The SANFL want the JDL’s to finalise the board make up on the 16th of June!

The current suggested structure of this board is 8 members with an Independent chairman, made up of 1 rep from NEMJFA, MSJFL, CDJFL, MWJFL, School Football Rep, SANFL game Development Rep, Rep from another Junior Football League ie Southern Junior Football League, Independent Rep i.e. Office of Sport & Rec. (SANFL wanted a rep from SAAFL on this Board but the JDL’s voted against it)

Basically NEMFA will have one vote on this Board.

We need Clubs to fully understand what agreeing to this Board will mean and what not agreeing to this Board will mean!

I have put forward several posts on this subject under Community Football on both Country & SAAFL threads, you may wish to read them if you want some interesting reading that was brought to my attention months ago on this subject.
Beware of Takeovers!!! By the way, I am told that only 1 Junior League IS IN Favour 100%, that is the CDJFL and if you look at the shape they are in and with what they are to gain, Blind Freddy can see why they would agree.!

Guess until next Tuesday night Clever we have no idea which wasy the clubs in the NEMJFA will go and one would like to know where the NEMJFA executive stand with this right now

It is my understanding that both NEMJFA, MSJFL & MWJFL were not in favour of it given the lack of representation they will have on the board.
Country leagues in the majority wish they had never seen it at all. I trust all junior leagues have made contact with some to ascertain their thoughts

[big red supporter]

Shreik i am like you, can't believe our Association meeting is the night before the decision is made. Hope history is not going to repeat itself, but i am overly concerned about it

At a NEMJFA delegates meeting in '09 I clearly got the impression from the executive that NEMJFA had NO CHOICE but to give in, or risk losing affiliation.
The NEMJFA secretary is a full time paid position. Her insurance, super, tax etc. is handled by the SANFL so NEMJFA doesn't have much choice but to go along. IF the delegates from the clubs vote against this move then the s**t will really hit the fan.
Being one of Australiá's biggest junior footy comps NEMJFA could decide to go it alone but the pressure from 'above' would be too great for them to resist for too long. I.e., no insurance, no AFL/SANFL funding, no equipment grants, no AFL/SANFL cash for drafted players, no matches against affiliated leagues.
But, in my view NEMJFA has got things pretty right and if it aint broke, don't fix it!

Pearcey i agree with you that if it aint broken dont fix it the document that was sent out Monday to clubs was very vague in details and was just a brush over you had to read in between the lines to find the truth as in the new junior rules we had our committee meeting last night and the fury was abundant about the new playing rules not to mention the fact it has been dumped on us with 1 week till final vote is required i also agree with locky 801 club reps should get together prior to Tuesday night and discuss this major decision that will affect our juniors forever not to mention our respective clubs.

Think of this scenario - New board is voted in they change all junior playing rules to afl next generation (same at clubs and school) and your child still wants to play where are you as a parent going to take him/her to a club where you have to pay registration fees and game fees and always asked to attend functions or go to school footy where there are no registration fees etc where will they go ? (goodbye club junior footy) my opinion but a very scarey one

[locky801]

Wasnt aware that it was already being used in country footy, if this is the case and someone knows of a country clubs juniors using it i would appreciate a contact thanks so i can discuss how it is actually bought into vogue, what are the rules, has it cost them players etc etc

I would hope that there would be some negotiation if it (Next generation rules) come in. Surely we would not have to accept all the rule changes they have in there, can anyone shed any light on that side of things. Obviously the evening up of comps is high on the agenda, would say at least 3 clubs would probably go to both the CDJFA and same to the NWJFA for starters from the NEMJFA.

I believe that this package needs alot more consultation within clubs, between clubs and between Associations before we could even think about taking it on. One wonders what parents have to think about the concept, know a few in our club are not happy at all about it. The unfortunate thing in all of this is that we have to vote this coming week and a decision made. It should be our main focus as has been put in here before that we try and get a stay of proceedings on this until we can look at all the issues.

[aceman]

Wasnt aware that it was already being used in country footy, if this is the case and someone knows of a country clubs juniors using it i would appreciate a contact thanks so i can discuss how it is actually bought into vogue, what are the rules, has it cost them players etc etc

I would hope that there would be some negotiation if it (Next generation rules) come in. Surely we would not have to accept all the rule changes they have in there, can anyone shed any light on that side of things. Obviously the evening up of comps is high on the agenda, would say at least 3 clubs would probably go to both the CDJFA and same to the NWJFA for starters from the NEMJFA.

I believe that this package needs alot more consultation within clubs, between clubs and between Associations before we could even think about taking it on. One wonders what parents have to think about the concept, know a few in our club are not happy at all about it. The unfortunate thing in all of this is that we have to vote this coming week and a decision made. It should be our main focus as has been put in here before that we try and get a stay of proceedings on this until we can look at all the issues.

Much more consultation along with written guarantees on several issues would be a starting point, but I bet they are not forthcoming.
Locky, my reference to country leagues is regarding the total concept of the CFL. They only have junior & senior colts so do not fall into the same category as the metro junior leagues with age groups 6 - 16, but the majority feel they have had their "rights of choice" taken away from them in many areas.. They are now being 'told what to do and where to buy' and now this has started, where does it end. The old adage of "hold on to what you have until you find something much better to replace it' is quite appropriate. The Victorian model has created horrendous issues for clubs with additional costs levied on players to maintain the status quo of admininstration to run the program.
There is no guarantee from the SANFL on funding for this CFB from 2010 forward, so if the worst scenario is played out, who will pay? There is probably $250K - $300K in salaries/expenses to start with. No doubt the clubs via a levy/donation/call or any other name you wish to call it, but the finanace has to come from somewhere and at this stage, it's my understanding there is nothing coming out of the SANFL
You are 100% correct on "more discussion" ,do not take the bait and align just for the sake of it.
Not sure the parents would understand the "nuts & bolts" nor would want to, club committees are entrusted to make the correct choices on their behalf, although make the wrong call and in some cases, hang on to your hat, they can be hard to handle.

[aceman]

Shreik i am like you, can't believe our Association meeting is the night before the decision is made. Hope history is not going to repeat itself, but i am overly concerned about it

At a NEMJFA delegates meeting in '09 I clearly got the impression from the executive that NEMJFA had NO CHOICE but to give in, or risk losing affiliation.
The NEMJFA secretary is a full time paid position. Her insurance, super, tax etc. is handled by the SANFL so NEMJFA doesn't have much choice but to go along. IF the delegates from the clubs vote against this move then the s**t will really hit the fan.
Being one of Australiá's biggest junior footy comps NEMJFA could decide to go it alone but the pressure from 'above' would be too great for them to resist for too long. I.e., no insurance, no AFL/SANFL funding, no equipment grants, no AFL/SANFL cash for drafted players, no matches against affiliated leagues.
But, in my view NEMJFA has got things pretty right and if it aint broke, don't fix it!

Pearcey, the clubs that make up the SAAFL have told the Exec to inform the CFL board emphatically, they will not be told what to do with regards some of the CFB's biggest issues until they are fully informed, even if it takes 10 years. They will not be forced to comply.
What is stopping the clubs that make up the junior leagues from putting forward a similar motion at the meeting and instructing the Executive to, on your behalf, advise the CFL of this action if you are unsure?.
Strength in numbers as you have indicated can work wonders, if you are not 100% with it, once you're in, no backflips allowed so that is surely the way to go.

I also note in one post the Junior Leagues voted against allowing a rep from the SAAFL to be on this new board. I find this to be quite counter productive given that the SAAFL through their clubs have shown the CFL they will not tolerate any 'pushing or bullying' and would have thought that mindset may have been beneficial to the Junior Leagues cause.

[locky801]

Well agenda out for NEMJFA's meeting, opening (15 mins) 30 min question time with David Hutton, then each club gets, wait for it, yep wait for it 5 minutes to sum up their opinions, then we go to a summary of the meeting, then motions from the floor and then the vote, one thinks be getting home when the sun gets up. Somehow i have the feeling i wont be there

[Bulls forever]

Locky, even more reason to know what the club vote will be, prior to it being made. The best AGM's are the ones where all the answers are known prior to the meeting. Homework is required. From what all the posts are saying, more time is needed by clubs, agree with Ace, don't rely on parents input, your committee has been around long enough and has more knowledge of junior footy than the parents who will only be there whilst their kid is playing. Work the phones fella, you only need just more than half to delay the result and remember some clubs will come to the meeting with no idea.

[locky801]

Locky, even more reason to know what the club vote will be, prior to it being made. The best AGM's are the ones where all the answers are known prior to the meeting. Homework is required. From what all the posts are saying, more time is needed by clubs, agree with Ace, don't rely on parents input, your committee has been around long enough and has more knowledge of junior footy than the parents who will only be there whilst their kid is playing. Work the phones fella, you only need just more than half to delay the result and remember some clubs will come to the meeting with no idea.

Have been trying to do that but seems all clubs are keeping things very very close to their chests, thats why i put out that we needed to get together, ah my committee been around long enough , all bar 2 are in their first year, me included

[Bulls forever]

Perhaps you should call a meeting of the Presidents 1/2 hour before Mr Hutton presents. There are huge issues no doubt about that, I cannot see it being beneficial to the NEMJFA, which has undergone huge change in the last 5 years. Obviously there will be positives, but not sure they will outweigh the negative impact. Heard on the grapevine NEMJFA proposing red, white and yellow in age groups next year to try and make competition even better.

[big red supporter]

Locky, even more reason to know what the club vote will be, prior to it being made. The best AGM's are the ones where all the answers are known prior to the meeting. Homework is required. From what all the posts are saying, more time is needed by clubs, agree with Ace, don't rely on parents input, your committee has been around long enough and has more knowledge of junior footy than the parents who will only be there whilst their kid is playing. Work the phones fella, you only need just more than half to delay the result and remember some clubs will come to the meeting with no idea.

Have been trying to do that but seems all clubs are keeping things very very close to their chests, thats why i put out that we needed to get together, ah my committee been around long enough , all bar 2 are in their first year, me included

I agree with you Locky and Bulls Forever the presidents need to meet prior to Tueday night and find out where everyone is at with this as was quoted the best agm is where the answers are known before hand Makes it a bit hard with long weekend i know but i feel it needs to be discussed prior to Tuesday night (1/2 hr before meeting wont be enough time)

[Clever Dick]

Locky, even more reason to know what the club vote will be, prior to it being made. The best AGM's are the ones where all the answers are known prior to the meeting. Homework is required. From what all the posts are saying, more time is needed by clubs, agree with Ace, don't rely on parents input, your committee has been around long enough and has more knowledge of junior footy than the parents who will only be there whilst their kid is playing. Work the phones fella, you only need just more than half to delay the result and remember some clubs will come to the meeting with no idea.

Have been trying to do that but seems all clubs are keeping things very very close to their chests, thats why i put out that we needed to get together, ah my committee been around long enough , all bar 2 are in their first year, me included

I agree with you Locky and Bulls Forever the presidents need to meet prior to Tueday night and find out where everyone is at with this as was quoted the best agm is where the answers are known before hand Makes it a bit hard with long weekend i know but i feel it needs to be discussed prior to Tuesday night (1/2 hr before meeting wont be enough time)

If I can make one suggestion for this meeting.
DO NOT give any indication which way your club is thinking on the night, listen to the story,go away from this meeting, have further discussions as a group of clubs and form your opinion from that. Advise the Executive that is what you want to do, they are your spokespersons only. Don't get hoodwinked into making a decision about which you are unsure. If things go wrong after the event, your decision will always be looked upon with regret.

[locky801]

Thanks CD, most clubs keeping things close to their chests but at the end of the night we have to vote whether to take this proposal on or not, hopefully just before that a club will move a motion that we need 6 or more months to sit down as a body to look at this further, unfortunately i cannot make such a motion