SAAFL Div 1 2008

[aceman]

Bartel, Demasi - 18
Cutting - 17
Coard, Turner - 16
Butler, Chadwick, Clonan, Pastyn - 15
Smith - 14

Why can the SAAFL put the top three from each club up for A1 & A2 but not for the rest of the grades?

Bartel a deserving winner [as is Demasi ]. Bartel, in the games i have seen him play never stops running or working to his team's advantage. gets a lot of touches and uses most to advantage . congrats to him. also congrats to Clonan, would have to be one of the better players in SAAFL . courageous , consistent and fair and surely respected by most opposing sides.and i believe he is a GX boy , having come up thru the juniors [ can you confirm Capt,[[ or his proxy ]] ]

Moz, Chris is a Gepps boy from the outset as is Pete Smith, all clubs would love to have a team full of blokes like these guys.

[1Eyed]

since when does anyone get 3 votes when there team loses by 12 goals. Doesnt happen in afl so wouldnt happen in saafl. District player deserve to get 3 votes. Coard is a standout at Rams cause the others are ordinary.

[gothebombers]

Bartel, Demasi - 18
Cutting - 17
Coard, Turner - 16
Butler, Chadwick, Clonan, Pastyn - 15
Smith - 14

Why can the SAAFL put the top three from each club up for A1 & A2 but not for the rest of the grades?

they had them up right up until yesterday!

check the saafl web site....under newsletters. i think youll find what your lookin for

[Pag]

If you mean the top 3 for each grade I found them, but the league put a top 3 from each club in from each grade for A1 & A2, so almost a top 30.

Just thought they could do the same for each grade, that's all. If someone asked for a top 10 in say A6, you wouldn't be able to find it.

[Footy Smart]

Well i havent ventured onto the Div 1 thread as of yet but thought i would try and get some opinions from people who have been at a Div 1 club. Im from Modbury and as we are coming up next year just thought i would see what aditional is needed to come up from Div 2. We have good young squad and a strong club behind us what else is needed to be competative? and where have the teams like broadies, seaton pt districts in recent years gone wrong?

[Pearcey]

Well i havent ventured onto the Div 1 thread as of yet but thought i would try and get some opinions from people who have been at a Div 1 club. Im from Modbury and as we are coming up next year just thought i would see what aditional is needed to come up from Div 2. We have good young squad and a strong club behind us what else is needed to be competative? and where have the teams like broadies, seaton pt districts in recent years gone wrong?

Well, there are 2 ways to go. Either spend big dollars on getting fringe SANFL guys who just want to play for the money and have no loyalty, or use the fantastic junior structure at the Hawks to develop a team which plays for the club and not the money. The former might bring short term success but the latter will keep you in the top division for years.

[zedman]

just like goodwood did over 15 years ago....all built on the juniors

[old moz]

it would be an interesting exercise to find out who are actual 'junior' club members playing for their D1 clubs. i reckon it may be less than a lot of people think. [ say 3 yrs mim at junior level? ]

[thewowfactor]

goodwood had no juniors when they came up into div 1, they do now and very strong

[Footy Smart]

Well i havent ventured onto the Div 1 thread as of yet but thought i would try and get some opinions from people who have been at a Div 1 club. Im from Modbury and as we are coming up next year just thought i would see what aditional is needed to come up from Div 2. We have good young squad and a strong club behind us what else is needed to be competative? and where have the teams like broadies, seaton pt districts in recent years gone wrong?

Well, there are 2 ways to go. Either spend big dollars on getting fringe SANFL guys who just want to play for the money and have no loyalty, or use the fantastic junior structure at the Hawks to develop a team which plays for the club and not the money. The former might bring short term success but the latter will keep you in the top division for years.

Yeah i suspected that and i think we have started the latter already. We won the Div 2 comp with an A grade team with the average Age of 22.58. Out of the final 22 we have 16 that have played juniors for more than 3 years at junior level for the Club. Some of these players have played finals footy for 5 years straight and have won 3 premierships. Some left to play higher divisions or at league clubs like Brad vassal, the mitchell brothers and Ryan Jarman etc but have returned to play with there mates/brothers and ask/get little in return as far as money. So i would say if we can top up the squad with some ruckman and another on baller we are pretty set to give div 1 a crack.

[NO-MERCY]

since when does anyone get 3 votes when there team loses by 12 goals. Doesnt happen in afl so wouldnt happen in saafl. District player deserve to get 3 votes. Coard is a standout at Rams cause the others are ordinary.

This year.

[Demon68]

What has happened to Silky Simon Roesler at Goodwood, dont see him in the team these days, is his dodgy hamstring playing up?

[NO-MERCY]

Yeah i suspected that and i think we have started the latter already. We won the Div 2 comp with an A grade team with the average Age of 22.58. Out of the final 22 we have 16 that have played juniors for more than 3 years at junior level for the Club. Some of these players have played finals footy for 5 years straight and have won 3 premierships. Some left to play higher divisions or at league clubs like Brad vassal, the mitchell brothers and Ryan Jarman etc but have returned to play with there mates/brothers and ask/get little in return as far as money. So i would say if we can top up the squad with some ruckman and another on baller we are pretty set to give div 1 a crack.

Don't fall in the trap of gobbing off too much Footy Smart, Seaton & Districts in previous years have always talked the talk too much after being successful in Div2 & got too far ahead of themselves, where did that leave them? crashing back down quickly to Div2.

Modbury have a very good squad of promising players & alot of them youngsters which is a good thing, keeping these blokes together for longer periods & add a few experienced campaigners to that squad will see them gell into a very competitive outfit, then without getting to far ahead of themselves ( talking the talk as far as how good they are ) success will follow.
If the money situation is true then your halfway there.
As a Seaton person, i'm sorry to say but alot of players i've seen look forward to Div2 & all get onboard but when the hard yards are done & your rewarded with promotion to Div1 alot of players look for the easy way out.

[old moz]

FS , as you have stated it is a big jump from D2 to D1, the best thing to realise it's a lot bigger than you think just to be competitive. enjoy your premiership but be prepared to work very hard next year.

[boozehound]

Main differences between the two division IMO is that the intensity and pace of the game is generally there for four quarters. When Gepps went up I noticed how how every player had to work to match it with div 1 sides. Often new sides start ok in div one but then fall away a few weeks in because it is very taxing pulling up week in week out in div 1. Big preseason required and need to survive first season up....

Also key position players all need to be quality. In div 2 and below you can get away with a 6ft - 6ft 2 key position player but in div one your looking no shorter than 6"2 to play key position. This is only in my opinion and Sean Chambers seems to get away with not being tall by being a very clever forward.

[Footy Smart]

Yeah i suspected that and i think we have started the latter already. We won the Div 2 comp with an A grade team with the average Age of 22.58. Out of the final 22 we have 16 that have played juniors for more than 3 years at junior level for the Club. Some of these players have played finals footy for 5 years straight and have won 3 premierships. Some left to play higher divisions or at league clubs like Brad vassal, the mitchell brothers and Ryan Jarman etc but have returned to play with there mates/brothers and ask/get little in return as far as money. So i would say if we can top up the squad with some ruckman and another on baller we are pretty set to give div 1 a crack.

Don't fall in the trap of gobbing off too much Footy Smart, Seaton & Districts in previous years have always talked the talk too much after being successful in Div2 & got too far ahead of themselves, where did that leave them? crashing back down quickly to Div2.

Modbury have a very good squad of promising players & alot of them youngsters which is a good thing, keeping these blokes together for longer periods & add a few experienced campaigners to that squad will see them gell into a very competitive outfit, then without getting to far ahead of themselves ( talking the talk as far as how good they are ) success will follow.
If the money situation is true then your halfway there.
As a Seaton person, i'm sorry to say but alot of players i've seen look forward to Div2 & all get onboard but when the hard yards are done & your rewarded with promotion to Div1 alot of players look for the easy way out.

NM and OM I think you see my last sentance as an over confident statement when in fact it wasnt meant that way. It was more of stating that we wouldnt load up on non Modbury players and that we would reward the youngsters who did sowell last year and worked so hard. That premiership didnt just fall in our lap. I wasnt gobbing off i was simply replying with facts to the 2 paths you can go down that pearcey stated. I said we would go down the youth path as we have already done that so far and with experience they will develop. At no stage did i gob off or get ahead. We know exactly how hard it is going to be and the guys are seeing it as a massive challange and are really proud of there effort to date. They know that by going up and then being relagated there hard work has been for nothing. At no stage at all this year did we get ahead of ourselves either.

What is this money situation you speak of NM it interests me??? you must have sources i dont

[Footy Smart]

Main differences between the two division IMO is that the intensity and pace of the game is generally there for four quarters. When Gepps went up I noticed how how every player had to work to match it with div 1 sides. Often new sides start ok in div one but then fall away a few weeks in because it is very taxing pulling up week in week out in div 1. Big preseason required and need to survive first season up....

Also key position players all need to be quality. In div 2 and below you can get away with a 6ft - 6ft 2 key position player but in div one your looking no shorter than 6"2 to play key position. This is only in my opinion and Sean Chambers seems to get away with not being tall by being a very clever forward.

Yeah i have noticed that with TTG for example they have seemed to start well and fade towards the end of the season. I think they had alot of injuries this year also. Size is something Modbury will have to work on. Loosing Grfoot at the start of the year set us back as far as a quality key position player... hopefully he returns from interstate

[boozehound]

Yeah it is very tough to maintain good form in div 1 if the team isn't physically developed and used to the pace and physicality. IMO Modbury will need to survive up there for a couple of years before they have a real crack a finals. There have been exceptions to the rule but they seem to be rare......

[old moz]

FS, did not think you were 'gobbing off ' , just stating that it is a lot harder in d1

[NO-MERCY]

I was just stating Footy Smart don't get caught ( players ) in that trap of gobbing off like i had mentioned teams had before, not pointing the finger at you, i didn't mean it to sound like i'm having a crack at you.
As far as the money situation, i was basically wrapping the club & players, if they arn't getting big $$$ but are their for the right reasons, your halfway there.