SAAFL Division 4 2013

[Cohiba]

the coach did not have the cattle by a long shot but was not helped in finding new stock with money to offer players

Robb... 2 questions
1 How much money do you think should be spent on players in Div4 over the season.

2 How much money does Greenies spend on players over the season.

Going to butt in with an outsiders viewpoint........None..........and if it was my club.....none of anyone's business.....

[The Big Shrek]

the coach can only play with what he has the mass walk out would not of helped and some people in charge have made it impossible for people to want to stay at the club

what can the coach do when some weeks he has 6-10 A grade players on the track the girls on a wednesday night get more of a turn out he walked into a shit storm and tryed to pick up the pieces

I haven't seen anything at Greenacres, which would suggest this...

haynzy so trainning is 2 nights a week then? and 20 A grade players just curious the coach did not have the cattle by a long shot but was not helped in finding new stock with money to offer players

Yeah training is 2 nights a week and the numbers vary like any football club. Training is actually made up of mostly A graders and it tends to be the B graders who don't come out regularly.

The issue I have is that the people in charge at Greenacres have been nothing but welcoming to me and I don't believe them releasing large amounts of money to attract players would solve any issues. Those players that left because of money last year or the year before would have left anyway, as offers from country clubs or higher divisions come in. I don't see anything wrong with trying to build an A grade side that isn't reliant on player payments and rather rely loyal club guys like the leadership group who could all be earning money elsewhere but choose not too.

I truly believe that over the course of a couple of seasons, a group of less talented mates can form a better team than one that has just been put together of high paid stars.

short term pain, for what is hopefully long term gain....

Great if you are Unley or Hope Valley or some other club with lots of juniors and good depth. Not so god if you are Greenacres with no juniors and barely a decent footballer there. Need to pay some money to get/keep some decent players and hopefully get back some old players or players with ties to the place.

Getting ol' Shrek in to run the joint probably wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[Footy Chick]

the coach did not have the cattle by a long shot but was not helped in finding new stock with money to offer players

Robb... 2 questions
1 How much money do you think should be spent on players in Div4 over the season.

2 How much money does Greenies spend on players over the season.

Going to butt in with an outsiders viewpoint........None..........and if it was my club.....none of anyone's business.....

[BurraBoys]

Going to butt in with an outsiders viewpoint........None..........and if it was my club.....none of anyone's business.....

So you are saying that not a single player should be being payed to play div4 football? Or Greenacres should be paying no players?
Does this extend to no players in the SAAFL should get any $$$ or that D4 is too low of a level to justify paying anyone?

Not a personal attack. Genuinely interested.
Whole heatedly agree with your second point. How much a club chooses to spend on its football department is no one elses business but their own

[The Big Shrek]

Going to butt in with an outsiders viewpoint........None..........and if it was my club.....none of anyone's business.....

So you are saying that not a single player should be being payed to play div4 football? Or Greenacres should be paying no players?
Does this extend to no players in the SAAFL should get any $$$ or that D4 is too low of a level to justify paying anyone?

Not a personal attack. Genuinely interested.
Whole heatedly agree with your second point. How much a club chooses to spend on its football department is no one elses business but their own

Good fun to gossip about though.

[turk186]

Both Cohiba and BurraBoys are correct in saying it is no one else's business how much a club spends....there are a handfull of people at any club that are privy to that sort of info.
So I dont know how anyone outside that group can say that a bloke was hamstrung by a lack of funds to recruit as a reason/excuse for a clubs lack of performance.

[beeroclock]

With Gepps,Pooraka and Ingle Farm within 2kms of Greenacres and Greenies having no hope of putting together a junior programme that could possibly match those clubs what is their future?
Greenies only have one choice in fielding a competitive side and that is to spend money on players.
I'd say their future is just about shot and will be sliding down the grades as quick as a QLD roller coaster.
It's a shame but I don't see any other scenario.

[BurraBoys]

Why can't Greenacres run a successful junior program?
Start small and take time. Will be a long road but it would be 20 year investment in the club.
Demographics suggest it is not a 'young family area though is it?

[Footy Chick]

I know easier said than done but this is something that Greenies in hindsight should have been working on for at least 5 years and from previous interviews with them, I think there's always been the will but never the way.. They we're on the track with the U18's side they had a couple of years back but couldn't maintain the numbers with nothing to come up.

So it's not like they haven't tried.

Northgate is right across the road Burra Boys - if the junior programmes were more streamlined, perhaps the Dragons would have a screaming chance of kids sides but while Gepps and Pooraka are still allowed to have 2 x U12's etc. it won't happen.

[turk186]

We do have a junior programme up and running which is now in it's 3rd year.

BB is correct, start small and keep working at building the numbers, which we do and the number of new kids coming to play for the "Northern Dragons" is building steadily.

Greenacres will continue to support junior footy and have a committe determined to do whatever it takes to rebuild the juniors to somewhere near the success the club was having in the early 2000's before ego's took over and nearly destroyed the entire club.

The fact that clubs can have numerous teams in the age group does make things difficult but we dont make the rules, it just means that some kids may not get a kick and a catch which is a loss for our game.

[Cohiba]

Going to butt in with an outsiders viewpoint........None..........and if it was my club.....none of anyone's business.....

So you are saying that not a single player should be being payed to play div4 football? Or Greenacres should be paying no players?
Does this extend to no players in the SAAFL should get any $$$ or that D4 is too low of a level to justify paying anyone?

Not a personal attack. Genuinely interested.
Whole heatedly agree with your second point. How much a club chooses to spend on its football department is no one elses business but their own

I am pretty much old school and on this specific topic none means none......... all grades. How do you prevent it or enforce it......that's the tricky part.

[The Big T]

From my memory greenies did have a good junior program yrs ago a mate of mine was a coach out there but for reason unknown atm it collapsed will ask him and get back on that one but i know his son ended up at the valleys after they collapsed

[lovetotalkfooty]

the coach did not have the cattle by a long shot but was not helped in finding new stock with money to offer players

Robb... 2 questions
1 How much money do you think should be spent on players in Div4 over the season.

2 How much money does Greenies spend on players over the season.

Going to butt in with an outsiders viewpoint........None..........and if it was my club.....none of anyone's business.....

Here is some answers for you. If you have 21 blokes that play for you each week and you paid every single player with a combination of money and stock ( I know at eastern park it ws demon dollars and brahma has tiger dollars). Pay 12 players on average $50 in cash plus $20 in stock (Actual cost to club $10) and pay the other 9 players $20 in stock you will spend $810 per week. This is for a win. If you then put people on a win/loss ratio and half the cash for a loss you will pay out $510 ($25 x 12 plus 21 x $20 stock). This way if you win every game for the year you will pay out $14580. If you win 9 and lose 9 you will pay out $11800. That is what most clubs in the div 3 to div 5 range should be aiming to spend a football department. The only other cost you need to add is for an A grade coach ( I think you this is 1 area where you pay low for a rookie and a little higher for experience. On average I would think around the 3000 - 5000 will get you a good coach) and any other coach (Not assistance) that coach at the club.

I just want to add that I currently reside in the US and would not have any idea what Brahma Lodge or any club I am associated with are paying players. However I do believe this is a very sustainable way to ensure your club is not over stretched and can maintain itself.

[Robb_Stark]

the coach did not have the cattle by a long shot but was not helped in finding new stock with money to offer players

Robb... 2 questions
1 How much money do you think should be spent on players in Div4 over the season.

2 How much money does Greenies spend on players over the season.

1. 4-6 players should be paid (100-200) dollars the rest play for the awards each week example 1st 50 dollar voucher 2nd 30 dollar voucher 3rd 20 dollar voucher and 4th 10 dollar voucher

1... 2 players are on 200 dollars a game thats 7,200 dollars for the season
2...2 players on 150 dollars thats 5,400 dollars
3. 3 players on 100 dollars a game thats 5,400 dollars

total 18 thousand dollars for 7 players

then we take into account 18 rounds of incentives or awards for other players thats another 1,980 dollars then we take tape and shit into consideration 5-6k

[Robb_Stark]

on a different topic how does a player that is rubbed out for life manage to become B grade umpire and a runner for the A grade

salisbury west is the club everyone should know the player

[Grahaml]

He is not under suspension, why wouldn't he be able to?

Has the ability to play in another league, wants to just stay involved with his club and his previous suspensions are related to playing so I don't fathom how you could have an issue.

[heater31]

on a different topic how does a player that is rubbed out for life manage to become B grade umpire and a runner for the A grade

salisbury west is the club everyone should know the player

At least he has put his hand up to volunteer for the club...

[Robb_Stark]

He is not under suspension, why wouldn't he be able to?

Has the ability to play in another league, wants to just stay involved with his club and his previous suspensions are related to playing so I don't fathom how you could have an issue.

so he is not rubbed out for life by SAAFL....i think many would argue that if he was a violent football player and got rubbed out for life why reward him with a roll as a B grade umpire and then to top it of be the A grade runner lol im sure when an all in brawl happens he will be involved time will tell

[heater31]

He is not under suspension, why wouldn't he be able to?

Has the ability to play in another league, wants to just stay involved with his club and his previous suspensions are related to playing so I don't fathom how you could have an issue.

so he is not rubbed out for life by SAAFL....i think many would argue that if he was a violent football player and got rubbed out for life why reward him with a roll as a B grade umpire and then to top it of be the A grade runner lol im sure when an all in brawl happens he will be involved time will tell

Not sure he is being rewarded with taking the whistle for the 2's. Most clubs have a major battle with that position.

Didn't Eugune Warrior umpire one year whilst suspended?

[Jabber]

He is not under suspension, why wouldn't he be able to?

Has the ability to play in another league, wants to just stay involved with his club and his previous suspensions are related to playing so I don't fathom how you could have an issue.

so he is not rubbed out for life by SAAFL....i think many would argue that if he was a violent football player and got rubbed out for life why reward him with a roll as a B grade umpire and then to top it of be the A grade runner lol im sure when an all in brawl happens he will be involved time will tell

Not sure he is being rewarded with taking the whistle for the 2's. Most clubs have a major battle with that position.

Didn't Eugune Warrior umpire one year whilst suspended?

I'd hate to know what second prize was!