SAAFL Division 7 & D7R (2012)

[gutterboy]

was at MP and vales game today...twice in a month #16 sniped again...could coast Mp a grand final the way he goes about things....!!!!

Poor choice of words gutterboy, but he was undisciplined yes, and paid the ultimate penalty by spending 2 quarters on the pine. The game itself was spiteful at times and not played in the spirit of what both coaches are trying to achieve. That said, to both teams credit they spent an hour or so in the bar afterwards becoming a lot more respectful of each other and building some friendships. Thanks to the Vale lads for that, stay focused and it will come together.

you agreed he was undisciplined, so what did he say wrong??? not sure boout costing a side a gf though..

what if he did that in a gf match and couldn't replace him....and lose by under a kick....be hard to look at your team mates in the eyes hey !!!!

[Yank Man]

CTS, North Pines in the 5. Good job Bigshow82 and another big clash with TTG this Saturday. Should be a cracker.

[Bigshow82]

CTS, North Pines in the 5. Good job Bigshow82 and another big clash with TTG this Saturday. Should be a cracker.

Thanks Yank Man. Was a good feeling around the club last night to be in the 5 for the first time this season. A massive challenge against TTG this week and will give us a good indication where we are at as them and you guys are the clear bench marks this year.

[BPwizard]

Poor choice of words Gutterboy. No sniper just a player backing up his team mates in a pretty bad all in brawl.
Game was played in some spite but in general a good battle. Lucky for us MP did not kick straight. the Vale battle hard with two players playing two games due to pull outs and injury has hit us bad with some of our quality players unavailable.
Vale has tuff week ahead if they wanna stay in the 5.
And i think that MP will come back to the pack and have some tougher games in the future.

[Yank Man]

Poor choice of words Gutterboy. No sniper just a player backing up his team mates in a pretty bad all in brawl.
Game was played in some spite but in general a good battle. Lucky for us MP did not kick straight. the Vale battle hard with two players playing two games due to pull outs and injury has hit us bad with some of our quality players unavailable.
Vale has tuff week ahead if they wanna stay in the 5.
And i think that MP will come back to the pack and have some tougher games in the future.

Nice to know both coaches were at the same game BPwizard. Think gutterboy has a personal agenda with the said No. Maybe it's his IQ and he can't move on. When it gets to 17 gutterboy, SELL.

[story of my life]

One of the Parks players got knocked out in an unlucky head clash, a big thanks to No. 24 and 33 from Angle Vale who were the first two blokes on the scene and helped with initial first aid till the trainers got there. Cheers lads

[onlooker]

g'day guys,

how are Flinders Uni going as a club? obviously the results have been poor over the past few years...

I hear a few rumblings they are really building for next year and are desperatly trying to avoid Div8...

anyone heard anything??

Flinders Pk are a very good team but personally I think the jump from C3 to Div 7 is a big one. Their early form was good but the draw favoured them a bit. Their D's are right up there and that jump isn't that big. I would be staggered if they put the cue in the rack this early cos they can still make the 5, an achievement in itself.

Look above Yank he was talking about Flinders Uni not us. As with most C grade sides we have struggled to keep a settled side since very early in the year. Most weeks we are taking that many from our D grade that we struggle to fill the D's. Last week we had two guys play D's and C's due to late call ups to our B grade. We will battle on and hopefully finish the year strongly. With all due respect you would be suprised of the quality of the C grade comps. The jump hasen't been as big as we first thought at the start of the year. Except for you blokes of course. It was a shame i didn't play against you blokes a few weeks ago but look forward to our return bout at FP in a few weeks. Might even have to try and find out who you MP blokes on here are

Yeah - i was asking about The Crabs actually, thanks for the run down on Flinders Park though!

Will the crabs be forced to drop a div? still hearing murmers about their building for next year...?

[morell]

was at MP and vales game today...twice in a month #16 sniped again...

Of all the incidents in Saturdays game you decided to pick perhaps one of the most innocuous. No comment on the Angle Vale captain getting sent off twice? He does need to learn that entering the fray late is not acceptable, especially as aggressive as he does. I am sure our coaching staff are onto it as evidenced by him spending the majority of the match with splinters in his bum.

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As an aside, and as previously mentioned, Saturday was a very spiteful game with numerous send-offs and unsavoury incidents coming from both sides.

I will preface the next comment with the notion that I think the Angle Vale umpire (Brett) has the ability, knowledge and judgement to be an elite umpire and should be in all honesty umpiring at a higher level, but...

There is a direct correlation to the amount of physical discretions in games against Angle Vale and Brett umpiring. That is not to say he causes it (correlation doesn't equal causation) but every game he has umpired against us has resulted in controversy.

Having spoken to numerous people from various levels across the board at Divvy 7 level, as well as a couple from the SAAFL, it is absolutely unanimous that Brett umpiring Angle Vale games is an unpalatable situation. After the all in brawl Brett paid 11 free kicks in a row to Angle Vale, including 2 25m penalties and several over rules of the other umpire. Say perhaps in a mystical twist of football fate logic and statistical fact has been ignored and they were all legitimate free kicks. Maybe he was just trying to control the game. Doesn't matter, the result of a fundamentally biased (even unknowingly) umpire making these decisions is a large amount of player (and spectator) frustration, which in turn results in further physical discretions, which in turn resulted in another all in brawl and multiple send offs.

Perception is a very powerful driver of human behaviour and thought. It can even be more powerful that reality! If the SAAFL and Angle Vale continue to use Brett in A Grade games he will one day inadvertently cause a situation similar to what has been all over the news recently. Sad but true. This goes beyond goals and points, winning and losing and requires more strategic thought and management from the SAAFL and the Angle Vale footy club.

I will be personally lobbying our president (and coach) to speak to the new GM of Ops and will do so myself given the opportunity, to ensure Brett does not umpire Angle Vale games and instead moves up the ranks to umpire higher. I also encourage all other individuals that I have spoken to and have expressed a similar outlook to do the same.

[Bigshow82]

was at MP and vales game today...twice in a month #16 sniped again...

Of all the incidents in Saturdays game you decided to pick perhaps one of the most innocuous. He does need to learn that entering the fray late is not acceptable, especially as aggressive as he does. I am sure our coaching staff are onto it as evidenced by him spending the majority of the match with splinters in his bum.

--------

As an aside, and as previously mentioned, Saturday was a very spiteful game with numerous send-offs and unsavoury incidents coming from both sides.

I will preface the next comment with the notion that I think the Angle Vale umpire (Brett) has the ability, knowledge and judgement to be an elite umpire and should be in all honesty umpiring at a higher level, but...

There is a direct correlation to the amount of physical discretions in games against Angle Vale and Brett umpiring. That is not to say he causes it (correlation doesn't equal causation) but every game he has umpired against us has resulted in controversy.

Having spoken to numerous people from various levels across the board at Divvy 7 level, as well as a couple from the SAAFL, it is absolutely unanimous that Brett umpiring Angle Vale games is an unpalatable situation. After the all in brawl Brett paid 11 free kicks in a row to Angle Vale, including 2 25m penalties and several over rules of the other umpire. Say perhaps in a mystical twist of football fate logic and statistical fact has been ignored and they were all legitimate free kicks. Maybe he was just trying to control the game. Doesn't matter, the result of a fundamentally biased (even unknowingly) umpire making these decisions is a large amount of player (and spectator) frustration, which in turn results in further physical discretions, which in turn resulted in another all in brawl and multiple send offs.

Perception is a very powerful driver of human behaviour and thought. It can even be more powerful that reality! If the SAAFL and Angle Vale continue to use Brett in A Grade games he will one day inadvertently cause a situation similar to what has been all over the news recently. Sad but true. This goes beyond goals and points, winning and losing and requires more strategic thought and management from the SAAFL and the Angle Vale footy club.

I will be personally lobbying our president (and coach) to speak to the new GM of Ops and will do so myself given the opportunity, to ensure Brett does not umpire Angle Vale games and instead moves up the ranks to umpire higher. I also encourage all other individuals that I have spoken to and have expressed a similar outlook to do the same.

Very well said Morell

[Lightning McQueen]

I wasn't there but I heard Smithfield didn't cope very well with the quagmire at Flinders Park, they couldn't get their run on game going as they're not used to playing in thick mud.

[Haynzy]

was at MP and vales game today...twice in a month #16 sniped again...

Of all the incidents in Saturdays game you decided to pick perhaps one of the most innocuous. He does need to learn that entering the fray late is not acceptable, especially as aggressive as he does. I am sure our coaching staff are onto it as evidenced by him spending the majority of the match with splinters in his bum.

--------

As an aside, and as previously mentioned, Saturday was a very spiteful game with numerous send-offs and unsavoury incidents coming from both sides.

I will preface the next comment with the notion that I think the Angle Vale umpire (Brett) has the ability, knowledge and judgement to be an elite umpire and should be in all honesty umpiring at a higher level, but...

There is a direct correlation to the amount of physical discretions in games against Angle Vale and Brett umpiring. That is not to say he causes it (correlation doesn't equal causation) but every game he has umpired against us has resulted in controversy.

Having spoken to numerous people from various levels across the board at Divvy 7 level, as well as a couple from the SAAFL, it is absolutely unanimous that Brett umpiring Angle Vale games is an unpalatable situation. After the all in brawl Brett paid 11 free kicks in a row to Angle Vale, including 2 25m penalties and several over rules of the other umpire. Say perhaps in a mystical twist of football fate logic and statistical fact has been ignored and they were all legitimate free kicks. Maybe he was just trying to control the game. Doesn't matter, the result of a fundamentally biased (even unknowingly) umpire making these decisions is a large amount of player (and spectator) frustration, which in turn results in further physical discretions, which in turn resulted in another all in brawl and multiple send offs.

Perception is a very powerful driver of human behaviour and thought. It can even be more powerful that reality! If the SAAFL and Angle Vale continue to use Brett in A Grade games he will one day inadvertently cause a situation similar to what has been all over the news recently. Sad but true. This goes beyond goals and points, winning and losing and requires more strategic thought and management from the SAAFL and the Angle Vale footy club.

I will be personally lobbying our president (and coach) to speak to the new GM of Ops and will do so myself given the opportunity, to ensure Brett does not umpire Angle Vale games and instead moves up the ranks to umpire higher. I also encourage all other individuals that I have spoken to and have expressed a similar outlook to do the same.

Very well said Morell

I agree, well said. He could be a very good umpire with two neutral teams.

[Haynzy]

Nice set of smoke and mirrors Bigshow82. Callington havn't won a game for 3 years and some by over 50 goals, your team sheet suggests one change from you belting of Angle Vale last week. You will be in the 5 tomorrow night with another nice percentage booster against a slowing Shoc. Make no mistake, you and Gullies are the "in" teams at the minute. We know you are both coming. What about Gullies having the luxury of resting big Chambo for their clash against Modbury, mind you they have a quality side without him with all the guns back and I would suggest Haynsy wants that goalkicking trophy at season end. Good luck tomorrow to all teams in what may be trying conditions and sorry Reds, but it would be good for the comp if Smithfield get a win for all the hard work they are putting in. Play hard but fair boys.

I'm going to encourage that they rest Chambo as much as possible Yank Man, because it will only take him a couple of weeks to overtake my goal tally.

[marbles]

I wasn't there but I heard Smithfield didn't cope very well with the quagmire at Flinders Park, they couldn't get their run on game going as they're not used to playing in thick mud.

Youd think itd be logical that every club could fence off the ovals centre square during the week to prevent training hacking up saturdays game

[Lightning McQueen]

I wasn't there but I heard Smithfield didn't cope very well with the quagmire at Flinders Park, they couldn't get their run on game going as they're not used to playing in thick mud.

Youd think itd be logical that every club could fence off the ovals centre square during the week to prevent training hacking up saturdays game

I suppose it's a bit hard when there's a heap of teams training at the same venue each week. Some junior coaches put their own team before the club.
Any oval that bears cricket pitches are always going to get muddy no matter what you do about it, I was running through the mud at Harper's Field last week and it was making obscene noises.

[Executive Member]

I wasn't there but I heard Smithfield didn't cope very well with the quagmire at Flinders Park, they couldn't get their run on game going as they're not used to playing in thick mud.

Youd think itd be logical that every club could fence off the ovals centre square during the week to prevent training hacking up saturdays game

I suppose it's a bit hard when there's a heap of teams training at the same venue each week. Some junior coaches put their own team before the club.
Any oval that bears cricket pitches are always going to get muddy no matter what you do about it, I was running through the mud at Harper's Field last week and it was making obscene noises.

sure it wasn't your body

[Lightning McQueen]

I suppose it's a bit hard when there's a heap of teams training at the same venue each week. Some junior coaches put their own team before the club.
Any oval that bears cricket pitches are always going to get muddy no matter what you do about it, I was running through the mud at Harper's Field last week and it was making obscene noises.

sure it wasn't your body

Probably a bit of both

[The Cows]

I wasn't there but I heard Smithfield didn't cope very well with the quagmire at Flinders Park, they couldn't get their run on game going as they're not used to playing in thick mud.

We both played in it The problem was we had two junior games on Friday night. After training Thurs it looked good. 4 games on the oval in 24 hours doesn't help.
On the ump thing, i pointed this out after we played them first game. In an A grade comp both umps have to be totally nuetral. It can't be any other way. There is too much on the line. In saying this we had to provide an ump on Saturday at the last minute and even though i thought he was good it just isn't the same. Spectators and coaches question the calls and the players get frustrated. We had a old fella umpire on the weekend and he was by far the best we have had. Didn't even really notice him out there. Payed the one's that were there and didn't pay anything silly. They let the game go and ther wasn't one bad or nasty incident, i don't even think there was any push and shove at all.
Good on the Smithfield lads, they are in tough position and they played the game in great spirits. Even though they are not getting the results they want they aren't going the biff or being silly. Maybe a few people need to have a look at why they play the game and have some self control. The way i look at it is in regard to fighting and abuse "if you wouldn't do it off the field they why do it on the field"

[Lightning McQueen]

I wasn't there but I heard Smithfield didn't cope very well with the quagmire at Flinders Park, they couldn't get their run on game going as they're not used to playing in thick mud.

We both played in it The problem was we had two junior games on Friday night. After training Thurs it looked good. 4 games on the oval in 24 hours doesn't help.
On the ump thing, i pointed this out after we played them first game. In an A grade comp both umps have to be totally nuetral. It can't be any other way. There is too much on the line. In saying this we had to provide an ump on Saturday at the last minute and even though i thought he was good it just isn't the same. Spectators and coaches question the calls and the players get frustrated. We had a old fella umpire on the weekend and he was by far the best we have had. Didn't even really notice him out there. Payed the one's that were there and didn't pay anything silly. They let the game go and ther wasn't one bad or nasty incident, i don't even think there was any push and shove at all.
Good on the Smithfield lads, they are in tough position and they played the game in great spirits. Even though they are not getting the results they want they aren't going the biff or being silly. Maybe a few people need to have a look at why they play the game and have some self control. The way i look at it is in regard to fighting and abuse "if you wouldn't do it off the field they why do it on the field"

My mail said that Smithfield were on the arse end of the decisions but wasn't the reason they lost. Although you guys played on it aswell, Smithfield Oval is lush and not one iota of mud anywhere, the boys couldn't get out of 1st gear.
My mail also said that your mob were a great bunch to play against and the game was played in great spirits.

[morell]

Very well said Morell

I agree, well said. He could be a very good umpire with two neutral teams.

On the ump thing, i pointed this out after we played them first game. In an A grade comp both umps have to be totally nuetral. It can't be any other way. There is too much on the line.

So that's people from Mitchell Park, Tea Tree Gully and Flinders Park all with the same opinion.

EDIT - and North Pines

Surely the SAAFL and Angle Vale need to act...

[Footy Chick]

Surely you need to submit a formal complaint rather than having a (very informative and well written ) whine on a footy forum.

Then they may be of assistance