Re: 2015: 7 Pure A-Grade Divisions
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:47 pm
adelaide uni will never ever never make div 6 finals
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Agree with Finn that lower division footy has improved dramatically in recent times. The gap from Div 1 to Div 6 has closed since around 2000.
laser wrote:Not asking you specifically LK, but what about D7 and D8? Where do they sit as a standard?
My take (no, I haven't seen D6/7/8 play) but I've watched a few C2 and C1 games over the last few years and whilst some of the footy is very good, it is the skill level that appears to be the area requiring improvement. At a guess I would say D7 would be a better standard (they have 4 A grade teams) than C1/2 and D8 would be about the same, or perhaps a big difference from best to worst within D8. Close? Or no cigar?
Phantom Gossiper wrote:laser wrote:Not asking you specifically LK, but what about D7 and D8? Where do they sit as a standard?
My take (no, I haven't seen D6/7/8 play) but I've watched a few C2 and C1 games over the last few years and whilst some of the footy is very good, it is the skill level that appears to be the area requiring improvement. At a guess I would say D7 would be a better standard (they have 4 A grade teams) than C1/2 and D8 would be about the same, or perhaps a big difference from best to worst within D8. Close? Or no cigar?
My opinion:
Top end D7 > C1
Bottom end D7 ~ C2
C1 > D8
C4 ~ D8R
jo172 wrote:The C1 - D8 comparison is interesting in that both ladders show a great disparity within the respective leagues. That is in D8 obviously PAC are flying with TTG and GG playing well whereas Hope Valley, Salisbury and North Haven are struggling. Similarly in C1 Adelaide Uni, Rostrevor, Goodwood and Unley seem to be going very well whereas SPOC, Salisbury North and Gaza are struggling.
My suspicion is that if you made a hypothetical new league (ignoring the obvious logistical difficulties of:
8A - Adelaide Uni, Rostrevor, Goodwood, Unley, PAC, TTG, Golden Grove, Old Ignatiains, Port District
and
8B - Blackwood, PNU, North Haven, Salisbury, Hope Valley, PHOS Camden, Walkerville, SPOC, Salisbury North, Gaza
you'd get two very even leagues.
Phantom Gossiper wrote:jo172 wrote:The C1 - D8 comparison is interesting in that both ladders show a great disparity within the respective leagues. That is in D8 obviously PAC are flying with TTG and GG playing well whereas Hope Valley, Salisbury and North Haven are struggling. Similarly in C1 Adelaide Uni, Rostrevor, Goodwood and Unley seem to be going very well whereas SPOC, Salisbury North and Gaza are struggling.
My suspicion is that if you made a hypothetical new league (ignoring the obvious logistical difficulties of:
8A - Adelaide Uni, Rostrevor, Goodwood, Unley, PAC, TTG, Golden Grove, Old Ignatiains, Port District
and
8B - Blackwood, PNU, North Haven, Salisbury, Hope Valley, PHOS Camden, Walkerville, SPOC, Salisbury North, Gaza
you'd get two very even leagues.
So disband Div 8 and create two new C grade divisions? Go back to having C1-C6 with promotion/relegation?
Phantom Gossiper wrote:Probably has more merit than your super C grade proposal.
What if a club wants to compete against A grade sides though?
Trader wrote:The D1s and D2s combined will only have a dozen (or so) teams.
marbles wrote:Trader wrote:The D1s and D2s combined will only have a dozen (or so) teams.
true mate
are there actually any Dgrade sides playing in the C1-C4 comps this season??
marbles wrote:A new naive innocent ignorant victim steps up to the plate full of wonder and determination believing the highest div possible is what's best for our 4 team club haha we will depart ourselves from the equal playing fields and put out casual kick n catch cgraders in a pool of agrade clubs just to be nice
Sign that bottom line and watch your cgraders dgraders flee by 2017 PNU.... Let the erosions begin
Q. wrote:marbles wrote:A new naive innocent ignorant victim steps up to the plate full of wonder and determination believing the highest div possible is what's best for our 4 team club haha we will depart ourselves from the equal playing fields and put out casual kick n catch cgraders in a pool of agrade clubs just to be nice
Sign that bottom line and watch your cgraders dgraders flee by 2017 PNU.... Let the erosions begin
Do you have any idea of what PNU are trying to acheive with their C/D grades? For their C-grade, it is far from a casual kick and catch for those players. The club is implementing some excellent structures to make their stay in Div 1 a long one, and these ambitions are filtering down through their grades.
marbles wrote:In 2016 to have 7 pure agrade divisions between 65 clubs, you'd say all divs from div 3 down would require a bye
Therefore to do for example in div 6 & 7, two teams will need come down but no teams go up
For div 5 & 6 transitions, three teams come down & maybe just div 6 premier only goes up
Etc etc
If such expectations are set in place before the following season begins, then when all the ONE-OFF unusual promotion/relegations occur next season everyone will be mutually accepting that they with a crap season may hav to go down a div, even tho they finished 7th or 8th
Phantom Gossiper wrote:jo172 wrote:The C1 - D8 comparison is interesting in that both ladders show a great disparity within the respective leagues. That is in D8 obviously PAC are flying with TTG and GG playing well whereas Hope Valley, Salisbury and North Haven are struggling. Similarly in C1 Adelaide Uni, Rostrevor, Goodwood and Unley seem to be going very well whereas SPOC, Salisbury North and Gaza are struggling.
My suspicion is that if you made a hypothetical new league (ignoring the obvious logistical difficulties of:
8A - Adelaide Uni, Rostrevor, Goodwood, Unley, PAC, TTG, Golden Grove, Old Ignatiains, Port District
and
8B - Blackwood, PNU, North Haven, Salisbury, Hope Valley, PHOS Camden, Walkerville, SPOC, Salisbury North, Gaza
you'd get two very even leagues.
So disband Div 8 and create two new C grade divisions? Go back to having C1-C6 with promotion/relegation?