SAAFL Division 7 2013

[Executive Member]

Broadview have officially applied for D7

IMHO A Grade sides should be given priority over C Grade sides but doesn't exclude sides coming up if others want to go down

[marbles]

If I was a betting man I would lay some $$$ on both Smithfield and Flinders Uni being in Div 7

Hello Broadview!!!!!

[Yank Man]

Broadview have officially applied for D7

IMHO A Grade sides should be given priority over C Grade sides but doesn't exclude sides coming up if others want to go down

Surely EM that would also be a league objective. If TTG, Henley and Broadview are in Div 7 and Adelaide Uni opted to go back then that would mean 4 Div 1 clubs in Div 7. Bit of a farce really and would make Div 7 more of a C grade comp than Div 8.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

A7/D7 in the past was always half A Grade & C Grade sides. It wouldn't be a farce.
If you look at the SAAFL records other clubs as well as our C & D Grades have usually always been A6/D6 - A7/D7. We played in these grades from 1981 - 2002
We have worked our ars$$ off to get back into this grade and that is where we want to be.

[Yank Man]

A7/D7 in the past was always half A Grade & C Grade sides. It wouldn't be a farce.
If you look at the SAAFL records other clubs as well as our C & D Grades have usually always been A6/D6 - A7/D7. We played in these grades from 1981 - 2002
We have worked our ars$$ off to get back into this grade and that is where we want to be.

No dramas with you guys wanting to be in Div 7 FOURTH ESTATE, just sayin' that the process is a farce. It just makes Div 7 the old C1 comp, and the A grade clubs are caught in the middle, ie Angle Vale, North Pines, Smithfield and Flinders Uni, and whoever comes down from Div 6. Lets face it the Div 1 C grades are around most Div 7 A's anyway.

[marbles]

Looking from a long distance id agree and if the div 1 cgrades get stronger it could see the demise of these smaller clubs kinda like coles and woolworths pushing out the small deli business owner

So what instead we just let the smaller clubs just dwindle down bottom of div7 every year to slowly evaporate or put them in a competition/division where success could be a real possibilty enhancing the chances of future growth because the small time club has finally won a premiership ie mitchell park/woodville soutj

Its been 10 years since either club has raised the cup

How long since flinders uni or smithfield won a flag? And on the night when it happens do u think anyone is gonna give a rats ass what div it was in?

[lutz]

A7/D7 in the past was always half A Grade & C Grade sides. It wouldn't be a farce.
If you look at the SAAFL records other clubs as well as our C & D Grades have usually always been A6/D6 - A7/D7. We played in these grades from 1981 - 2002
We have worked our ars$$ off to get back into this grade and that is where we want to be.

No dramas with you guys wanting to be in Div 7 FOURTH ESTATE, just sayin' that the process is a farce. It just makes Div 7 the old C1 comp, and the A grade clubs are caught in the middle, ie Angle Vale, North Pines, Smithfield and Flinders Uni, and whoever comes down from Div 6. Lets face it the Div 1 C grades are around most Div 7 A's anyway.

I think the main aim is to have a good 'even' competition. If TTG/Henley/Broadview C grades are performing well in D7, then so be it. It's not the system's fault if A grade clubs can't beat a C grade.
As someone who's played in the C comp and a D7 C grade, I'd much rather play against the best competition possible, and I see that as D7 (I think it's stronger than C1 and D8). I enjoyed playing against other A grades.

[Bigshow82]

A7/D7 in the past was always half A Grade & C Grade sides. It wouldn't be a farce.
If you look at the SAAFL records other clubs as well as our C & D Grades have usually always been A6/D6 - A7/D7. We played in these grades from 1981 - 2002
We have worked our ars$$ off to get back into this grade and that is where we want to be.

No dramas with you guys wanting to be in Div 7 FOURTH ESTATE, just sayin' that the process is a farce. It just makes Div 7 the old C1 comp, and the A grade clubs are caught in the middle, ie Angle Vale, North Pines, Smithfield and Flinders Uni, and whoever comes down from Div 6. Lets face it the Div 1 C grades are around most Div 7 A's anyway.

I think the main aim is to have a good 'even' competition. If TTG/Henley/Broadview C grades are performing well in D7, then so be it. It's not the system's fault if A grade clubs can't beat a C grade.
As someone who's played in the C comp and a D7 C grade, I'd much rather play against the best competition possible, and I see that as D7 (I think it's stronger than C1 and D8). I enjoyed playing against other A grades.

Lutz I agree we would all like a good 'even' competition and really I dont have an issue with having C grade teams in Div 7 if this helps that happen but I wouldnt like to see this happen if its hurting A grade sides. People who say send A grade sides down to Div 8 have to understand that it is a hard job recruiting new players to your club when you are in Div 7, how much harder would it be if you were in Div 8? Lets face it most A grade sidesin Div 7 dont have a great junior set up or any juniors at all to rely on in future years.
The only other concern I have about C grade sides in Div 7 is the rule that allows teams to remain in a div after making the GF. Yes I know A grade sides can decline promotion but lets face it which club would do that? If we want a good even comp then get rid of that rule and make all teams making the GF go up and all teams finishing in the bottom 2 go down.

[Lightning McQueen]

Looking from a long distance id agree and if the div 1 cgrades get stronger it could see the demise of these smaller clubs kinda like coles and woolworths pushing out the small deli business owner

So what instead we just let the smaller clubs just dwindle down bottom of div7 every year to slowly evaporate or put them in a competition/division where success could be a real possibilty enhancing the chances of future growth because the small time club has finally won a premiership ie mitchell park/woodville soutj

Its been 10 years since either club has raised the cup

How long since flinders uni or smithfield won a flag? And on the night when it happens do u think anyone is gonna give a rats ass what div it was in?

Smithfield played finals footy in div. 5 for most of the first decade of this century. I think the players will give a rat's ass what division it is when they do.
Smithfield were very competitive in div. 5 only 3 seasons ago and for a long time before that, with 60 odd clubs and only 7 or 8 premierships per year you can't base success soley on premierships, sure they are the holy grail but many players play 300 games and don't get to experience one.
Smithfield were 1 day away from completely folding early 2011, it took a re-building process where they lost all but 3 of their A's & B's in one hit and then went on a recruiting drive to get "club people" to play where they got belted most weeks in C1 and finally won a game late in the season.
It was a risk to push for two sides again 2012, it paid off as they had no forfeits and picked up a few wins along the way, they have more players returning next season and they will continue to make steps in the right direction.
But feel free to keep waving your pitchfork around.

[Executive Member]

Looking from a long distance id agree and if the div 1 cgrades get stronger it could see the demise of these smaller clubs kinda like coles and woolworths pushing out the small deli business owner

So what instead we just let the smaller clubs just dwindle down bottom of div7 every year to slowly evaporate or put them in a competition/division where success could be a real possibilty enhancing the chances of future growth because the small time club has finally won a premiership ie mitchell park/woodville soutj

Its been 10 years since either club has raised the cup

How long since flinders uni or smithfield won a flag? And on the night when it happens do u think anyone is gonna give a rats ass what div it was in?

Smithfield played finals footy in div. 5 for most of the first decade of this century. I think the players will give a rat's ass what division it is when they do.
Smithfield were very competitive in div. 5 only 3 seasons ago and for a long time before that, with 60 odd clubs and only 7 or 8 premierships per year you can't base success soley on premierships, sure they are the holy grail but many players play 300 games and don't get to experience one.
Smithfield were 1 day away from completely folding early 2011, it took a re-building process where they lost all but 3 of their A's & B's in one hit and then went on a recruiting drive to get "club people" to play where they got belted most weeks in C1 and finally won a game late in the season.
It was a risk to push for two sides again 2012, it paid off as they had no forfeits and picked up a few wins along the way, they have more players returning next season and they will continue to make steps in the right direction.
But feel free to keep waving your pitchfork around.

Brahma Lodge went through the same thing and actually folded for a year in 95 and in 99 played in a Grand Final
Won't take Smithfield long to rebuild either, just requires the right people with the right reasons jumping on board

[old farmer]

Smithfield played finals footy in div. 5 for most of the first decade of this century. I think the players will give a rat's ass what division it is when they do.
Smithfield were very competitive in div. 5 only 3 seasons ago and for a long time before that, with 60 odd clubs and only 7 or 8 premierships per year you can't base success soley on premierships, sure they are the holy grail but many players play 300 games and don't get to experience one.
Smithfield were 1 day away from completely folding early 2011, it took a re-building process where they lost all but 3 of their A's & B's in one hit and then went on a recruiting drive to get "club people" to play where they got belted most weeks in C1 and finally won a game late in the season.
It was a risk to push for two sides again 2012, it paid off as they had no forfeits and picked up a few wins along the way, they have more players returning next season and they will continue to make steps in the right direction.
But feel free to keep waving your pitchfork around.[/quote]

Brahma Lodge went through the same thing and actually folded for a year in 95 and in 99 played in a Grand Final
Won't take Smithfield long to rebuild either, just requires the right people with the right reasons jumping on board[/quote]

Will make it very difficult to rebuild in Div 8. We are already learning how hard it is going to be to retain some of our recruits in div 7 let alone div 8. Leave the C & D grade sides to play each other and A & B grade sides should not go below div 6. I don't know how you do it, but thats what the executives are there for.....Off the top of my head, D5 & D6 - 12 team comps. D7 & D8 - 6 or 8 team comps. Or how about 2 up, 2 down - No f***ing options, simple. Hearing Uni want to go to div 7, what they can pick and choose where they want to play??? That would mean no C grade team wants to play above 7, so why persist with this same problem every year.

[marbles]

So its about fitting a square cube into a circular hole

How can we make angle vale north pines ingle farm houghton flinders uni smithfield and possibly wingfield? Play in their own div seperated from the cgrade ?

We want solutions here not sooky lar lar I cant do it crap. Do u hav a formula?

[Lightning McQueen]

So its about fitting a square cube into a circular hole

How can we make angle vale north pines ingle farm houghton flinders uni smithfield and possibly wingfield? Play in their own div seperated from the cgrade ?

We want solutions here not sooky lar lar I cant do it crap. Do u hav a formula?

I think old farmer was close to a feasible solution, it seems as though the majority of C grade sides seem to choose to stay down when they warrant promotion and understably so in some circumstances.
Perhaps the lowest finishing 2 C grade clubs could get the option to go into div. 8? It could build relationships between clubs and play 4 games in the one day at the one venue like TTG did with Modbury in the season just past. Just a passing thought, there is obviously a lot of tinkering to do and at the end of the day we don't want to see absolute drubbings in any grade.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Leave the C & D grade sides to play each other and A & B grade sides should not go below div 6. I don't know how you do it, but thats what the executives are there for.....Off the top of my head, D5 & D6 - 12 team comps. D7 & D8 - 6 or 8 team comps. Or how about 2 up, 2 down - No f***ing options, simple. Hearing Uni want to go to div 7, what they can pick and choose where they want to play??? That would mean no C grade team wants to play above 7, so why persist with this same problem every year.

i don't see an issue with C grade sides wanting to stay where they are - after all the are a C grade side. I think leave Div 7 and or 8 as C&D grade div, but provide an option for a side to go up if they choose to.

So if say TTG decide they want to challenge themselves further and they win the flag, and want to go up, then the bottom side of the div above goes down no questions asked. However if they decide they want to stay put then so be it, continue the next season the same.

If it means a club like Ingle Farm or Houghton or Smithfield spend 5 years sitting at the bottom of a div then so be it, it's up to the individual clubs to do something about it and catch up to the rest.

Would also create some good rivalries as clubs would play each other more often.

[Executive Member]

One of the stumbling blocks is if you have anything other than a 9 or 10 team comp then you get a draw that is compromised, which in the past has been an issue for clubs

I will stay state that the A Grade teams should have more preference than a clubs C Grade, as the SAAFL is comprised of clubs not teams and every club's success is measured by their A Grade wether that be in D1 or C4

[marbles]

A possible solution....

# div 7 to become a 6 team a-grade competition
# all teams play each other 3 times across the 18 rounds
# the finals would be for the top 4 sides

# in 2013 div 6 could have a bye with only 9 sides (its a nice rest for players)

# in 2014, 3 sides will come up to div 6 making it 10 teams, only 2 sides go down to div 7, but this leaves 5 sides only remaining in div 7 2014

# therefore with the hope that "wingfield" can maintain a second side in 2013 in a c-grade comp, it then can go up into the div 7 in 2014 to become the 6th agrade side of 2014

# or if wingfield fails, a possible marion or even an ovingham? could come in 2014 to div 7


Div 7 A-Grade only comp 2013....
ingle farm
houghton
angle vale
north pines
smithfield
flinders uni

all the C-Grade/d-grade 2013 sides what to do with these????
wingfield if they can make 2 teams can
ttg
henley
flinders park
modbury
sacred heart
broadview
smosh
PAOC
Golden Grove
adelaide uni (e & f grade)
salisbury
north haven

gepps & mitcham back to C1 are they??

[Bigshow82]

As I said before no issue with having c grade teams in Div 7. If it wasnt for the C grade sides in div 7 this year then who would have come close to Michell Park? Having quality C grade sides in this div helps out clubs by making them play against better opposition but I would like to see the rule gone that teams can choose to stay down. This may stop some clubs from letting players have one last swan song in their C grade. You could use TTG this year as an example. In 2011 they just missed out on the finals then in 2012 got a large influx of players (ex or new to their C grade) that could play higher than div 7 and made the GF. Now they are considering staying down because they may lose some players. That suggests to me that some of their players came back for one last swan song with some mates. I may be wrong but thats how it looks to me. They also are now moving to Div 1 in their A grade so you would think a clubs depth would get stronger not weaker when their A grade move up a div? I am only using TTG as an example.

[Lightning McQueen]

Interesting that you mentioned Ovingham, during my daily bike ride I go past Cane Reserve and have seen a few blokes out there going through some drills, I was wondering whether Ovi's have began pre-season training.

[marbles]

or like this

Div 7 A-Grade only comp 2013....
ingle farm
houghton
angle vale
north pines
smithfield
flinders uni

C-Grade/d-grade Division 1
ttg
henley
flinders park
modbury
sacred heart
broadview

c-grade/d-grade division 2
smosh
PAOC
Golden Grove
adelaide uni (e & f grade)
salisbury
north haven

have 2 comps for c-grade/d-grade with its own relegation system.

div 6 to always have 9 sides and the bye system

[zedman]

or like this

Div 7 A-Grade only comp 2013....
ingle farm
houghton
angle vale
north pines
smithfield
flinders uni

C-Grade/d-grade Division 1
ttg
henley
flinders park
modbury
sacred heart
broadview

c-grade/d-grade division 2
smosh
PAOC
Golden Grove
adelaide uni (e & f grade)
salisbury
north haven

have 2 comps for c-grade/d-grade with its own relegation system.

div 6 to always have 9 sides and the bye system

enjoy your travelling crabs..