SAAFL Division 7 & D7R (2012)

[HAWKBOY]

A big question. Can anyone clear this up for me?
I heard a rummour on the weekend that a couple of clubs are keeping the same umps all year. ie an association ump follows a team all year and only umpires the one team. Is this normal in this grade?? There were a few interesting things to come out of Saturdays game.
I was of the opinion that the leauge appoints umps and that eliminates the affiliation scenario ie club umps.

8 v 3 North Pines v Tea Tree Gully Andrew Smith Reserve 2.15 R Club 100 R John Haughey 100
2 v 5 Flinders Park v Angle Vale Flinders Park Oval 2.15 R Richard Murphy 100 R Brett Mathews 100
9 v 10 Smithfield v Flinders University Smithfield Oval 2.15 R Michael Vogt 100 R Trevor Wiegand 100
4 v 7 Henley v Modbury Henley Memorial Oval 2.15 R Club 100 R Club 100
1 v 6 Mitchell Park v Sacred Heart OC Mitchell Park Oval 2.15 R Boy Walding 100 R Jamie Escott 100

The R stands for Recreational Umpires, not Panel umpires from the SAAFL.
As you will note sometimes the clubs still need to supply their own umpire at this grade.

[Footy Chick]

BOY WALDING??

Christ he'd be pushing 90 I reckon!

[HAWKBOY]

BOY WALDING??

Christ he'd be pushing 90 I reckon!

The number next to his name is the amount he is to be paid, not his age. Just thought I would clear that up, because he is not 100 until next year.

[Footy Chick]

BOY WALDING??

Christ he'd be pushing 90 I reckon!

The number next to his name is the amount he is to be paid, not his age. Just thought I would clear that up, because he is not 100 until next year.

[The Cows]

A big question. Can anyone clear this up for me?
I heard a rummour on the weekend that a couple of clubs are keeping the same umps all year. ie an association ump follows a team all year and only umpires the one team. Is this normal in this grade?? There were a few interesting things to come out of Saturdays game.
I was of the opinion that the leauge appoints umps and that eliminates the affiliation scenario ie club umps.

8 v 3 North Pines v Tea Tree Gully Andrew Smith Reserve 2.15 R Club 100 R John Haughey 100
2 v 5 Flinders Park v Angle Vale Flinders Park Oval 2.15 R Richard Murphy 100 R Brett Mathews 100
9 v 10 Smithfield v Flinders University Smithfield Oval 2.15 R Michael Vogt 100 R Trevor Wiegand 100
4 v 7 Henley v Modbury Henley Memorial Oval 2.15 R Club 100 R Club 100
1 v 6 Mitchell Park v Sacred Heart OC Mitchell Park Oval 2.15 R Boy Walding 100 R Jamie Escott 100

The R stands for Recreational Umpires, not Panel umpires from the SAAFL.
As you will note sometimes the clubs still need to supply their own umpire at this grade.

No probs mate thank you for that. We are new to this grade so just trying to understand a few things. Just a few really strange calls that's all. Some umps are loosing control of the game and hence things are becomimg a bit strained on the field. What you have put up makes sense to what is happening.

[HAWKBOY]

A big question. Can anyone clear this up for me?
I heard a rummour on the weekend that a couple of clubs are keeping the same umps all year. ie an association ump follows a team all year and only umpires the one team. Is this normal in this grade?? There were a few interesting things to come out of Saturdays game.
I was of the opinion that the leauge appoints umps and that eliminates the affiliation scenario ie club umps.

8 v 3 North Pines v Tea Tree Gully Andrew Smith Reserve 2.15 R Club 100 R John Haughey 100
2 v 5 Flinders Park v Angle Vale Flinders Park Oval 2.15 R Richard Murphy 100 R Brett Mathews 100
9 v 10 Smithfield v Flinders University Smithfield Oval 2.15 R Michael Vogt 100 R Trevor Wiegand 100
4 v 7 Henley v Modbury Henley Memorial Oval 2.15 R Club 100 R Club 100
1 v 6 Mitchell Park v Sacred Heart OC Mitchell Park Oval 2.15 R Boy Walding 100 R Jamie Escott 100

The R stands for Recreational Umpires, not Panel umpires from the SAAFL.
As you will note sometimes the clubs still need to supply their own umpire at this grade.

No probs mate thank you for that. We are new to this grade so just trying to understand a few things. Just a few really strange calls that's all. Some umps are loosing control of the game and hence things are becomimg a bit strained on the field. What you have put up makes sense to what is happening.

Some of the umpires at this level are either older and don't see as much as you would like or are new and are really just finding their way. We all complain about club umpires, but in the main they do a reasonable job. At this level some lesser players tend to be more aggresive to compensate for missing skills. So far the umpires have been pretty good, but do tend to miss some of the clashes that may bend the rules

[The Cows]

Yep totally agree with you hawkboy the decision making and that has been reasonably good. I suppose from where we have come from the expectation we had are not reasonable in reagard to certain things and i am just trying to get my head around it all. In general thay do a good job so i am not having a crack in any way. There have just been a few things that have made me think WTF!!

Anyway it looks to be a real tough comp. Angle Vale on sat hit us hard and we were lucky we had such a good 1st qtr. Hopefully have a few back in this week to help as SHOC are a good side. Mitchell Park look to be the team to beat.

[Lightning McQueen]

A big question. Can anyone clear this up for me?
I heard a rummour on the weekend that a couple of clubs are keeping the same umps all year. ie an association ump follows a team all year and only umpires the one team. Is this normal in this grade?? There were a few interesting things to come out of Saturdays game.
I was of the opinion that the leauge appoints umps and that eliminates the affiliation scenario ie club umps.

There must be some merit there mate, I was asked by an SAAFL club if I was interested in a permanent weekly gig doing one club's A's & B's if I was keen. What was the interesting things to come out of Saturday's match?

[The Cows]

A big question. Can anyone clear this up for me?
I heard a rummour on the weekend that a couple of clubs are keeping the same umps all year. ie an association ump follows a team all year and only umpires the one team. Is this normal in this grade?? There were a few interesting things to come out of Saturdays game.
I was of the opinion that the leauge appoints umps and that eliminates the affiliation scenario ie club umps.

There must be some merit there mate, I was asked by an SAAFL club if I was interested in a permanent weekly gig doing one club's A's & B's if I was keen. What was the interesting things to come out of Saturday's match?

As i said i'm not opposed to it. It just brings a few things into question. We spoke about this last week with one ump paying everything and another letting it go. It's get to a stage where it causes frustration among the players and it starts trouble. I will not go into to much detail other than to say how can you be sent off if you are the bloke on the floor protecting you face from being punched. Another sent off for trying to get the bloke off him. So two sent off with only 8 mins to go. Not a punch thrown by either!!!
This is not the only issue and i won't say anymore than consistency. It was baffling!!!

[Bigshow82]

yeah well done to nth pines but more importantly well done to coach benny schomann good stuff champ hopefully the first of many for the year...

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Thanks lads. Was good to get that first win under the belt. Slowly getting the team together and playing the style of footy we want to play.

[Yank Man]

yeah well done to nth pines but more importantly well done to coach benny schomann good stuff champ hopefully the first of many for the year...

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Thanks lads. Was good to get that first win under the belt. Slowly getting the team together and playing the style of footy we want to play.

Well done Bigshow82. A really good win against quality opposition. Unfortunately for us you may have just angered them a tad for our clash this week.

Just on the umpires I think they do the best they can, but those that watch Div 7 realise how many quality players are here. It's tough on the league with numbers dwindling but we all deserve Saafl umpires. The "BOY" looked to be in a bit of strife in the last quarter when he got hit in the back of the head with a footy and went down for the count. Thanks to the quick work from both clubs trainers he ended up ok, but he was out for 4 minutes. Thanks to the shoc's for their help, well done all. He might be nearly 100 but he's a tough old coot.

[BPwizard]

Umpires in this div can be inconsistent, but with out them we have no game. Club umpirers have the tuff job of coping shit from there own club and other club if things are not what each club is seeing. The send off is what they will use to diffuse a heated moment i dont understand how players get sent off for wrestling it is a passionate game. I seen the flinders park v angle vale and no one should have been sent off. But did here a few talking by the bar they had a few of there higher div players playing in there c grade too, due to the higher div played on anzac day.
For what i saw was Angle Vale for second week in a row wanted to be second to the ball and if they continue to do this it will be along season for those boys.
Gr8 win by Flinders Park

[The Cows]

Umpires in this div can be inconsistent, but with out them we have no game. Club umpirers have the tuff job of coping shit from there own club and other club if things are not what each club is seeing. The send off is what they will use to diffuse a heated moment i dont understand how players get sent off for wrestling it is a passionate game. I seen the flinders park v angle vale and no one should have been sent off. But did here a few talking by the bar they had a few of there higher div players playing in there c grade too, due to the higher div played on anzac day.
For what i saw was Angle Vale for second week in a row wanted to be second to the ball and if they continue to do this it will be along season for those boys.
Gr8 win by Flinders Park

Spot on wizard. We did have 2 blokes that would normally play higher. One was dropped due to lack of form and another was cleared to play on Thursday from the country. One played well the other not so well. I thought Angle Vale moved the ball well but weren't as good at the close in stuff. We have been playing in the lower grades where there is a lot of contested stuff and it is all close in and congested.
After qtr time Angle Vale really moved the ball well when it opened up and shut us down. Very good game to watch and some big tackles and fair hits. Our boys sure knew they played a game.

[HAWKBOY]

yeah well done to nth pines but more importantly well done to coach benny schomann good stuff champ hopefully the first of many for the year...

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Thanks lads. Was good to get that first win under the belt. Slowly getting the team together and playing the style of footy we want to play.

Well done Bigshow82. A really good win against quality opposition. Unfortunately for us you may have just angered them a tad for our clash this week.

Just on the umpires I think they do the best they can, but those that watch Div 7 realise how many quality players are here. It's tough on the league with numbers dwindling but we all deserve Saafl umpires. The "BOY" looked to be in a bit of strife in the last quarter when he got hit in the back of the head with a footy and went down for the count. Thanks to the quick work from both clubs trainers he ended up ok, but he was out for 4 minutes. Thanks to the shoc's for their help, well done all. He might be nearly 100 but he's a tough old coot.

The real pity is we cant get enough people interested in umpiring to cater for all the teams. That is why we still rely on people like "Boy" to ensure we get to play a game. Given the way we tend to abuse umps it is little wonder sometimes, but it is like an itch, you cant help but scratch even when you know you shouldnt.

[Lightning McQueen]

The real pity is we cant get enough people interested in umpiring to cater for all the teams. That is why we still rely on people like "Boy" to ensure we get to play a game. Given the way we tend to abuse umps it is little wonder sometimes, but it is like an itch, you cant help but scratch even when you know you shouldnt.

Exactly, why would you wanna go and get paid out for 2 and half hours for a measly $100, 90% of umpires go out there without prejudice, some distinctly don't like certain clubs and let it be known by their decisions but there's a hell of a lot of dickhead supporters frequenting the metropolitan area.

[Yank Man]

The real pity is we cant get enough people interested in umpiring to cater for all the teams. That is why we still rely on people like "Boy" to ensure we get to play a game. Given the way we tend to abuse umps it is little wonder sometimes, but it is like an itch, you cant help but scratch even when you know you shouldnt.

Exactly, why would you wanna go and get paid out for 2 and half hours for a measly $100, 90% of umpires go out there without prejudice, some distinctly don't like certain clubs and let it be known by their decisions but there's a hell of a lot of dickhead supporters frequenting the metropolitan area.

So why would you wanna go out there and give your all for your mates and your club for $100 odd less a week than the umps get. C'mon guys we deserve for them to be better than that. If most of the players and coaches in Div7 realised what they get paid they would give up playing and coaching and take up umpiring. How can a $100 a week plus person tell a club great of 200 games plus, without payment, tell him he doesn't know what he is doing. Seriously, I love the umps, but give a little respect both ways. How many players in our great Div 7 are getting $2k per year. I would suggest none and they train and have a committment harder and longer than any of the umps.

[TIRED TIGER]

Umpires in this div can be inconsistent, but with out them we have no game. Club umpirers have the tuff job of coping shit from there own club and other club if things are not what each club is seeing. The send off is what they will use to diffuse a heated moment i dont understand how players get sent off for wrestling it is a passionate game. I seen the flinders park v angle vale and no one should have been sent off. But did here a few talking by the bar they had a few of there higher div players playing in there c grade too, due to the higher div played on anzac day.
For what i saw was Angle Vale for second week in a row wanted to be second to the ball and if they continue to do this it will be along season for those boys.
Gr8 win by Flinders Park

BPwizard,you can't play on the Anzac Day game then drop to a lower grade on the Saturday. If on two team sheets reckon they would be in strife.All classed as one day split rounds.

[human_torpedo]

Geez Cows, its good to see you are consistent, not only do you spend all Saturday afternoon whinging and complaining about the umpires, but you also do it monday to friday.. A man of your, how can I put this nicely, experience, should be more lenient towards those in charge, as you'd have a better understanding of just how tough a job they have..

Its no wonder that when you were coach, you had a high amount of players sent off for showing a lack of respect towards umpires, they were merely taking the coaches lead..

footnote: It is good to see Flinders Park giving this comp a good run, they have been pushing for entry into it for a few years now and have certainly justified that, well done lads keep up the fine work!

[Bluedemon]

Umpires in this div can be inconsistent, but with out them we have no game. Club umpirers have the tuff job of coping shit from there own club and other club if things are not what each club is seeing. The send off is what they will use to diffuse a heated moment i dont understand how players get sent off for wrestling it is a passionate game. I seen the flinders park v angle vale and no one should have been sent off. But did here a few talking by the bar they had a few of there higher div players playing in there c grade too, due to the higher div played on anzac day.
For what i saw was Angle Vale for second week in a row wanted to be second to the ball and if they continue to do this it will be along season for those boys.
Gr8 win by Flinders Park

BPwizard,you can't play on the Anzac Day game then drop to a lower grade on the Saturday. If on two team sheets reckon they would be in strife.All classed as one day split rounds.

but B graders can play at 12.15pm then go and play C's at a different ground after. no difference there though.

[The Cows]

Geez Cows, its good to see you are consistent, not only do you spend all Saturday afternoon whinging and complaining about the umpires, but you also do it monday to friday.. A man of your, how can I put this nicely, experience, should be more lenient towards those in charge, as you'd have a better understanding of just how tough a job they have..

Its no wonder that when you were coach, you had a high amount of players sent off for showing a lack of respect towards umpires, they were merely taking the coaches lead..

footnote: It is good to see Flinders Park giving this comp a good run, they have been pushing for entry into it for a few years now and have certainly justified that, well done lads keep up the fine work!

Hello there torpedo. Long time no see. Well as you know when i was coaching it was YOU who was sent off or dragged by me when you were being a pain in the ass. I think you might have even cost the D grade a final due to your antics. Was it two or three 25m penalties?
OK the thing is we had a very good ump who wanted to umpire with us all year and the league said we don't need to as they will supply them. Now this guy is a very honest ump and he is now umpiring our B grade. That is why i have been asking the questions.

Also the guys who played for us after the ANZAC game on wednesday were not picked in the B's for that game and therefore did not play on the Wednesday hence they were dropped to our C grade. I did mention that earlier. So no two games in a week just one. Hope that clears it all up.