SAAFL Div 2 & Div 2R (2011)

[lutz]

Port Districts vs Portland 2:15 April 25th 2012 @ AAMI Stadium

will get a bigger crowd than port power game heha

Would be good, the Districts vs Seaton Anzac day game a few years ago was a huge success, this would be no different I reckon.
But will the SAAFL program Anzac day games next year seeing it falls on a Wednesday, it only gives you 3 days to back up from and 2 days to front up to the respective games. Could be 3 games of footy in 8 days

LMA, the Wed game would be either a late game for one round, or more likely an early game for the following round. You won't play both saturday's either side of the Wed, it would only be one of the two.

Given all games are played on the saturdays, it's not like there is an unfair break for sides.

If the SAAFL programme it as the early game for the round on the 28th, it's then a fair draw for all involved as well, so that's the way they should go. (If they played it as a late game for the round on the 21st, then the sides that come up against the two ports on the 28th will have an unfair advantage over the other clubs that don't get to play ports when flat from the previous game).

Fair enough, don't know what i was thinking there. The early games for the round is definately the way to go then.

A 3 day turn around is still a big ask, older blokes would surely struggle to pull up

[BenchedEagle]

Another year in Div 2 for Uni. How sad

[Hellboy]

Another year in Div 2 for Uni. How sad

Amusing comment from someone from a club that was 1 game from being demoted to DIV 5 How sad

[GFP]

Another year in Div 2 for Uni. How sad

Amusing comment from someone from a club that was 1 game from being demoted to DIV 5 How sad

Even OnSong doesn't have that many from's in his posts.

[lutz]

Another year in Div 2 for Uni. How sad

Amusing comment from someone from a club that was 1 game from being demoted to DIV 5 How sad

Even OnSong doesn't have that many from's in his posts.

hahaha good one GFP

Uni's did alright this year, they should have gone up last year...but that's old news. I was quite surprised that Walkerville didn't go up with ROCS tbh...I think they missed a really good opportunity to play D1 footy. Uni's were probably always the 3rd or 4th best side this year, but well done to them, can't be too disappointed in making a prelim.
Congrats to both SPOC and ROC on promotion, and good luck next year!

[NO-MERCY]

Maybe Walkerville didn't want to go up.

[Fricky]

Maybe Walkerville didn't want to go up.

Maybe Uni didnt want to go up.

[lutz]

Maybe Walkerville didn't want to go up.

Maybe Uni didnt want to go up.

Had heard the same thing NM, but don't really want to believe it! However, that was not a denial from Suri

[Fricky]

This rumour comes around every few years that we dont want to go up. When we were in Div 3 it was rumoured that we didnt want to go up to Div 2, but then we went and won the flag and got promoted. Now we apparently dont want to go up to Div 1. It's all cr@p. If a club doesnt want to go up divisions then it's telling the world that it doesnt want to win A grade flags, and that's what footy is about - winning flags.

We had a good year and fell during the finals, happened last year to Uni and this year they've missed the boat again to go back up to Div 1. We'll have another crack at getting promoted next year and put to rest all this talk about us not wanting to go up.

[Bulls forever]

Err 150th? Is that serious

established in what 1861? If maths are correct: cbf checking

but anyway was football even existant in melbourne at this stage.
Was the sanfl even goin then. Like to see proof of ttg & modbury teams in these days. Obviously the remote towns in these days would hav played lots of sports against each other but hmmm bit odd to me. 120th i could believe but 150 dunno dunno

i don't think it would be far off that number.
i have heard that modbury and ttg are 2 of the oldest clubs in south australia, and that one of the first games of footy played in SA was between these 2 sides.
footy smart may have to follow this up and let us know the specifics.

BOP, well done, 1862, first two clubs in SA. Unusually TTG celebrated something about 150 this year and Modbury think that next year is the biggie. Someone explained it to me and it sort of made sense, but you can be sure the two clubs will publicise the big events for next season.

[Bulls forever]

This rumour comes around every few years that we dont want to go up. When we were in Div 3 it was rumoured that we didnt want to go up to Div 2, but then we went and won the flag and got promoted. Now we apparently dont want to go up to Div 1. It's all cr@p. If a club doesnt want to go up divisions then it's telling the world that it doesnt want to win A grade flags, and that's what footy is about - winning flags.

We had a good year and fell during the finals, happened last year to Uni and this year they've missed the boat again to go back up to Div 1. We'll have another crack at getting promoted next year and put to rest all this talk about us not wanting to go up.

Well answered Suri, I think people get mixed up in clubs not wanting to go up and believing that they will not have the financials to compete in Div 1. Most of us know that to be competitive in Div 1 you player / footy spend has to be around $60k minimum. Personally I think this is ridiculous, but it is what the market generates. OK I will qualify that I have no idea of Uni or SHOC spend, ideals, etc, but fair to say that the other clubs are spending at least that and some probably more. So some clubs go up, try and be competitive, remain financially viable and probably come back down again. But the ideals are about the club and the longevity of it, irrespective of what Division it is in.

[beactive]

Teams of the year decided by now surely?Any insight on selections?

[teaoby]

Teams of the year decided by now surely?Any insight on selections?

comes out in this weeks talking amatuers

[White Unicorn]

This rumour comes around every few years that we dont want to go up. When we were in Div 3 it was rumoured that we didnt want to go up to Div 2, but then we went and won the flag and got promoted. Now we apparently dont want to go up to Div 1. It's all cr@p. If a club doesnt want to go up divisions then it's telling the world that it doesnt want to win A grade flags, and that's what footy is about - winning flags.

We had a good year and fell during the finals, happened last year to Uni and this year they've missed the boat again to go back up to Div 1. We'll have another crack at getting promoted next year and put to rest all this talk about us not wanting to go up.

Well answered Suri, I think people get mixed up in clubs not wanting to go up and believing that they will not have the financials to compete in Div 1. Most of us know that to be competitive in Div 1 you player / footy spend has to be around $60k minimum. Personally I think this is ridiculous, but it is what the market generates. OK I will qualify that I have no idea of Uni or SHOC spend, ideals, etc, but fair to say that the other clubs are spending at least that and some probably more. So some clubs go up, try and be competitive, remain financially viable and probably come back down again. But the ideals are about the club and the longevity of it, irrespective of what Division it is in.

I think if you are spending 60k on players than the club is attracting the wrong players to the club. No player theoretically is worth over $300 a game, and if they want more let them go and play country footy. I think district clubs that promote their juniors are the clubs that are successful and who recruit younger players and not washed up hacks from the sanfl who want $600 a game cause that is what a HFL or BL&G club has offered them. Let them go there cause you will get more from a 19yr old junior on most occassions then a 30 yr old that has been at 10 different clubs on big $. IMO of course!

[Trader]

Err 150th? Is that serious

established in what 1861? If maths are correct: cbf checking

but anyway was football even existant in melbourne at this stage.
Was the sanfl even goin then. Like to see proof of ttg & modbury teams in these days. Obviously the remote towns in these days would hav played lots of sports against each other but hmmm bit odd to me. 120th i could believe but 150 dunno dunno

i don't think it would be far off that number.
i have heard that modbury and ttg are 2 of the oldest clubs in south australia, and that one of the first games of footy played in SA was between these 2 sides.
footy smart may have to follow this up and let us know the specifics.

BOP, well done, 1862, first two clubs in SA. Unusually TTG celebrated something about 150 this year and Modbury think that next year is the biggie. Someone explained it to me and it sort of made sense, but you can be sure the two clubs will publicise the big events for next season.

If 1862 is year 1, then year 150 is 2011, not 2012.
1862 and 2012 are 150 years appart, but it's 151 season as both 1862 and 2012 are included.

IMO, TTG has it right.

[LMA]

Established in 1862, may not of played that year so 150th season could be next year

[Footy Follower]

(quote) I think if you are spending 60k on players than the club is attracting the wrong players to the club. No player theoretically is worth over $300 a game, and if they want more let them go and play country footy. I think district clubs that promote their juniors are the clubs that are successful and who recruit younger players and not washed up hacks from the sanfl who want $600 a game cause that is what a HFL or BL&G club has offered them. Let them go there cause you will get more from a 19yr old junior on most occassions then a 30 yr old that has been at 10 different clubs on big $. IMO of course! (quote)

Well said White Unicorn! IMO the key to a club being successful at any level is good depth. Most of the real successful clubs in the amatuer league have good junior systems and have an u/18's team. This gives a developing kid a real feeling of belonging to a club if he has played there in his juniors therefore making him want to stay.
You don't have to look too much further than Div 2 for a classic example of clubs with good depth being successful.
Top 5 this year in Div2 and 2R were the same clubs. ROCS, Walkies, SPOC, Uni and Iggies.
Clubs that pay a handful of players big coin to try and win a flag fall just as quickly back down as they go up. Classic example being North Haven a few years back, Salisbury West a few years back, and even Greenacres last year. If you are missing a key ingredient like a full forward or CHF yeah for sure, maybe pay a player who will dominate there, but pay him on performance or incentives at the club. That way the player doesn't simply rock up to pick up his pay cheque and piss off the following year when the club decides he isn't worth that money. The sooner clubs realise that paying big money to attract players is not the way to build a club into a successful one but rather promoting juniors and looking after the loyal club players, the sooner they will start to climb the divisions.

[lutz]

(quote) I think if you are spending 60k on players than the club is attracting the wrong players to the club. No player theoretically is worth over $300 a game, and if they want more let them go and play country footy. I think district clubs that promote their juniors are the clubs that are successful and who recruit younger players and not washed up hacks from the sanfl who want $600 a game cause that is what a HFL or BL&G club has offered them. Let them go there cause you will get more from a 19yr old junior on most occassions then a 30 yr old that has been at 10 different clubs on big $. IMO of course! (quote)

Well said White Unicorn! IMO the key to a club being successful at any level is good depth. Most of the real successful clubs in the amatuer league have good junior systems and have an u/18's team. This gives a developing kid a real feeling of belonging to a club if he has played there in his juniors therefore making him want to stay.
You don't have to look too much further than Div 2 for a classic example of clubs with good depth being successful.
Top 5 this year in Div2 and 2R were the same clubs. ROCS, Walkies, SPOC, Uni and Iggies.
Clubs that pay a handful of players big coin to try and win a flag fall just as quickly back down as they go up. Classic example being North Haven a few years back, Salisbury West a few years back, and even Greenacres last year. If you are missing a key ingredient like a full forward or CHF yeah for sure, maybe pay a player who will dominate there, but pay him on performance or incentives at the club. That way the player doesn't simply rock up to pick up his pay cheque and piss off the following year when the club decides he isn't worth that money. The sooner clubs realise that paying big money to attract players is not the way to build a club into a successful one but rather promoting juniors and looking after the loyal club players, the sooner they will start to climb the divisions.

Hasn't seemed to work for PDFC...who have (considered by many), a strong junior programme, and have played in 3 consecutive U18's grand finals. The strong juniors/U18's hasn't translated into senior depth or success. A lot of ex-Districts juniors can be found at rival clubs.

[piccachu]

Hasn't seemed to work for PDFC...who have (considered by many), a strong junior programme, and have played in 3 consecutive U18's grand finals. The strong juniors/U18's hasn't translated into senior depth or success. A lot of ex-Districts juniors can be found at rival clubs.

maybe this is due to them not getting opportunities in the As and players twice there age that are well past there best still trotting around and not adding any value, and im not aiming this directly at districts but i think it happens at a lot of clubs

[LMA]

Hasn't seemed to work for PDFC...who have (considered by many), a strong junior programme, and have played in 3 consecutive U18's grand finals. The strong juniors/U18's hasn't translated into senior depth or success. A lot of ex-Districts juniors can be found at rival clubs.

maybe this is due to them not getting opportunities in the As and players twice there age that are well past there best still trotting around and not adding any value, and im not aiming this directly at districts but i think it happens at a lot of clubs

It's all well and good to want to play your 18's in the A's young Piccachu, but you'll find that when you get to division 1 and 2 that alot of them aren't up to it and the ones that are are usually aligned with a league club, so you can't just play them for the sake of it.

Maybe that is why being a higher division club we are seeing youngster who can't get an A grade game moving to rival clubs in lower divisions or going bush, there is no shame in playing B's or C's IMO. Maybe a generation thing