APPS - now what do you think?

[The Little Master]

Bit of a over reaction. A few country clubs got the odd ressies player to attempt to uncover a gem. Hasn't really worked for most so probably wouldn't have contined points or no points. Lots of country clubs are steering clear of saafl players. They don't have a great record of performing.

[daysofourlives]

Bit of a over reaction. A few country clubs got the odd ressies player to attempt to uncover a gem. Hasn't really worked for most so probably wouldn't have contined points or no points. Lots of country clubs are steering clear of saafl players. They don't have a great record of performing.

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[Gatt_Weasel]

Bit of a over reaction. A few country clubs got the odd ressies player to attempt to uncover a gem. Hasn't really worked for most so probably wouldn't have contined points or no points. Lots of country clubs are steering clear of saafl players. They don't have a great record of performing.

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you pay for the saafl players do you even know what your paying for i know players getting cash that are not up to div 5 standard at best dont train just turn up and get paid then drive home

[On The Chest]

Bit of a over reaction. A few country clubs got the odd ressies player to attempt to uncover a gem. Hasn't really worked for most so probably wouldn't have contined points or no points. Lots of country clubs are steering clear of saafl players. They don't have a great record of performing.

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you pay for the saafl players do you even know what your paying for i know players getting cash that are not up to div 5 standard at best dont train just turn up and get paid then drive home

Plenty of them around. And stangely enough, some of them are classified as "Guns" by their mates. Yeah right. Spud guns

[Yank Man]

Looks a bit like some of the country clubs are arking up to Div 1/2/3 res players coming with points. Could it be they may reciprocate????

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Currently a high ranking football official in this state is regretting ever implementing the APPS claiming it takes too much of his time and is the bane of his existence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You reap what you sow you idiot!! and that's as nice as I can be to this person who has got no trust with anybody in the football world

[NO-MERCY]

Currently a high ranking football official in this state is regretting ever implementing the APPS claiming it takes too much of his time and is the bane of his existence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You reap what you sow you idiot!! and that's as nice as I can be to this person who has got no trust with anybody in the football world

1 guess who that is

[piccachu]

for example, A guy plays junior footy at your club, leaves for what ever reasons and then comes back to play senior footy, how do you find out how many games of junior footy they played to figure out how many points he is worth?

[Mr Beefy]

for example, A guy plays junior footy at your club, leaves for what ever reasons and then comes back to play senior footy, how do you find out how many games of junior footy they played to figure out how many points he is worth?

It's nigh on impossible

[Cash 123]

for example, A guy plays junior footy at your club, leaves for what ever reasons and then comes back to play senior footy, how do you find out how many games of junior footy they played to figure out how many points he is worth?

Not enough he is 3 points

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Most clubs should have a record of junior games. The rule is as follows

1.4 “Junior Player” means a player under the age of 18 years who has played a minimum of 25 games from the year in which he turns 13 years of age with the Club of an Affiliated League with which he is seeking registration.

[Footy Chick]

for example, A guy plays junior footy at your club, leaves for what ever reasons and then comes back to play senior footy, how do you find out how many games of junior footy they played to figure out how many points he is worth?

I would have thought that the record keeping of the junior leauges would be meticulous...I'd be asking them first..

[scottroo]

Yeah ask the junior league

[Boosh]

for example, A guy plays junior footy at your club, leaves for what ever reasons and then comes back to play senior footy, how do you find out how many games of junior footy they played to figure out how many points he is worth?

Give a John a call at SAAFL, last season we had Jarryd Dixey checked out and they checked with WDJFL for us, he played 24 games for us for those playing at home it's 1 short

[Cohiba]

I'm for it but dont like the fact that a club like SMOSH/WL double dips with the free juniors/old scholars - whereas other clubs only have one pool of players to get their 0 pointers from.

Double dipping as you call it is not gold mine you think. In this instance SMOSH/WL is a only a tenant at West Lakes Oval operating from the 1st April to 30th September. Henley & Grange have the other six months and the facility is run by the West Lakes Sports and Social Club. As such generating significant income for the FC has limitations because they do not have the autonmy to make independent decisions regarding the Clubs finances unlike others.

What it does effectively is promote community involvement and an environment in which youngsters can learn to play the game. It is not a guarantee that these "juniors" will stay on or automatically play Club Seniors. The fact the Club was borne in part from Old Scholars, being aligned is hardly a "funnel" for attracting players to a Club such as SMOSH W/L. The "big" talents at this level often try out in the SANFL, with sides like Henley and Flinders Park being in closer proximity benefiting just as much if not more chasing young talent. It is very unlikely SMWL will ever max out on points by "buying" up players as they don't have the capacity to generate that kind of income, to compete in the "meat market" unlike many of their contempories. I appreciate not everyone is able to do run a juniors programme whatever their stated reasons, along with those who simply don't want to. But to be competitive at all levels Clubs make do best with resources that are available rather than cry 'foul' because they can't have their cake and eat it as well.

Whilst APPS is not perfect and you might not like it Beefy ......... compared to policing salary cap violations, and "brown bag" deals.....it's streets ahead.

[Mr Beefy]

I'm for it but dont like the fact that a club like SMOSH/WL double dips with the free juniors/old scholars - whereas other clubs only have one pool of players to get their 0 pointers from.

Double dipping as you call it is not gold mine you think. In this instance SMOSH/WL is a only a tenant at West Lakes Oval operating from the 1st April to 30th September. Henley & Grange have the other six months and the facility is run by the West Lakes Sports and Social Club. As such generating significant income for the FC has limitations because they do not have the autonmy to make independent decisions regarding the Clubs finances unlike others.

What it does effectively is promote community involvement and an environment in which youngsters can learn to play the game. It is not a guarantee that these "juniors" will stay on or automatically play Club Seniors. The fact the Club was borne in part from Old Scholars, being aligned is hardly a "funnel" for attracting players to a Club such as SMOSH W/L. The "big" talents at this level often try out in the SANFL, with sides like Henley and Flinders Park being in closer proximity benefiting just as much if not more chasing young talent. It is very unlikely SMWL will ever max out on points by "buying" up players as they don't have the capacity to generate that kind of income, to compete in the "meat market" unlike many of their contempories. I appreciate not everyone is able to do run a juniors programme whatever their stated reasons, along with those who simply don't want to. But to be competitive at all levels Clubs make do best with resources that are available rather than cry 'foul' because they can't have their cake and eat it as well.

Whilst APPS is not perfect and you might not like it Beefy ......... compared to policing salary cap violations, and "brown bag" deals.....it's streets ahead.

Um, I said I was for it and that was 8 months ago. And regardless of how you dress it up, you still have 2 pools of 0 points players which contributes to you not maxing out on points.

[Cohiba]

I'm for it but dont like the fact that a club like SMOSH/WL double dips with the free juniors/old scholars - whereas other clubs only have one pool of players to get their 0 pointers from.

Double dipping as you call it is not gold mine you think. In this instance SMOSH/WL is a only a tenant at West Lakes Oval operating from the 1st April to 30th September. Henley & Grange have the other six months and the facility is run by the West Lakes Sports and Social Club. As such generating significant income for the FC has limitations because they do not have the autonmy to make independent decisions regarding the Clubs finances unlike others.

What it does effectively is promote community involvement and an environment in which youngsters can learn to play the game. It is not a guarantee that these "juniors" will stay on or automatically play Club Seniors. The fact the Club was borne in part from Old Scholars, being aligned is hardly a "funnel" for attracting players to a Club such as SMOSH W/L. The "big" talents at this level often try out in the SANFL, with sides like Henley and Flinders Park being in closer proximity benefiting just as much if not more chasing young talent. It is very unlikely SMWL will ever max out on points by "buying" up players as they don't have the capacity to generate that kind of income, to compete in the "meat market" unlike many of their contempories. I appreciate not everyone is able to do run a juniors programme whatever their stated reasons, along with those who simply don't want to. But to be competitive at all levels Clubs make do best with resources that are available rather than cry 'foul' because they can't have their cake and eat it as well.

Whilst APPS is not perfect and you might not like it Beefy ......... compared to policing salary cap violations, and "brown bag" deals.....it's streets ahead.

Um, I said I was for it and that was 8 months ago. And regardless of how you dress it up, you still have 2 pools of 0 points players which contributes to you not maxing out on points.

"You might not like it" was reference to Clubs being able to source players from two pools without zero points....not that you oppose APPS.....

Nothing stopping any Club from going to any College, or High School etc to sell them on playing any club as well as running a Juniors programme..... Specifically in SMWL case.....promising youngsters have been directed to both Henley and Flinders Park because of their positioning and standing in the competition. Just because we share the name does not compel them to play at SMOSH. Not a massive benefit in having the name points or no points.... Me thinks you doth protest to loudly beefy you little green eyed devil....

[Mr Beefy]

I made a comment 8 months ago and I'm protesting too loudly? Are you suggesting clubs sell their souls (like Unley) so they have access to more 0 point players?

[Cohiba]

I made a comment 8 months ago and I'm protesting too loudly? Are you suggesting clubs sell their souls (like Unley) so they have access to more 0 point players?

Not at all beefy. My point is that if you believe a Club has sole and ready access to a pool of players aligned to a particular school, that it is not the case. Again what is there stopping any other club having access to the same or any school for that matter to recruit players for their club. Hardly would think it has anything to do with selling one's soul....

[kickinit]

i'd say more talented st mick's boys have played for henley rather then smosh. henley oval is a 5-10min walk from st micks and does have a pretty good football program. I will also admitt smosh was not push to anyone at st mick's, it was even to the point most kids wouldn't even know there was a old scholars side. Even though I don't think smosh have gained anything at all from the 2, but they shouldn't be allowed take kids from both. To me the rule should be if you have a jnr side that's where your zero point kids come from, if your a old scholars side and don't have a jnr side then you can use the high school you are affilated with.