SAAFL Div 7 & Div 7R (2011)

[Boosh]

If the rumours are true and Glenunga have recruited numerous ex-Fitzroy Div 4 A-Grade players then I for one will be disappointed and it will only further emphasise the requirement of the SAAFL to implement some sort of player movement management system. Whether it be points per year, number of divisions players are able to leap, whatever, something needs to be done to ensure the integrity of the lower competitions.

We are playing Division 7 football and I don't think it is unreasonable to rock up on a Saturday and expect to be playing other Div 7 (or thereabouts) footballers.

Every team would have players in their side that could play much higher, including Mitchell Park, but I would also suggest most of those players are dyed in the wool club people, rather than ring ins or mercenaries.

Every club would also like to move up the ranks and improve themselves via recruitment. I am not arguing against that. I am arguing against clubs rotting at the foundations of others and in turn creating an unbalanced football year.

Not sure if this is just a recent trend but we are seeing more of this money and immediate results driven culture creep down the divisions of amateur football. Every year it seems to get worse and worse with players jumping ship and moving all over the place either following mates or following money. In my opinion it erodes into the values that I thought amateur football was all about.

Good luck to Glenunga. They are a good club and we have had some fierce battles (and some shellackings) against them. I just hope the people being recruited have the interests of the Glenunga Football club at heart.

Whilst I agree with your points, is this tongue in cheek?

The league has just put in a points system to control player movement, there's a thread on this very site with 7 pages about it. Don't think it will stop Glenunga however as SAAFL players are only worth 1 point

[Footy Smart]

Why do people keep saying SAAFL players are worth 1 point? that is not what the delegates voted for and the CFB will not allow it to happen.

It basically allows a club to recruit the 15 best players in the SAAFL and defeats the point of the points system

[Mr Beefy]

Why do people keep saying SAAFL players are worth 1 point? that is not what the delegates voted for and the CFB will not allow it to happen.

It basically allows a club to recruit the 15 best players in the SAAFL and defeats the point of the points system

Transfers within the SAAFL during 2010 attracted 1 point. For this variation to continue in 2011, it will need to be formally adopted by the General Committee and approval sought from the Community Football Board. A number of clubs have expressed concern about this variation and have requested the APPS points allocation apply (Div 1-3 = 3 pts, other divisions = 2 pts). The Executive Committee requests that clubs be prepared to present their club’s position on this matter at the AGM and be prepared to vote to retain the 1 point transfer within SAAFL or to apply the APPS point allocation (3-2 pts).

It was in the original proposal and is the current position, however, it needs to be voted on.

[furiousflemo]

If the rumours are true and Glenunga have recruited numerous ex-Fitzroy Div 4 A-Grade players then I for one will be disappointed and it will only further emphasise the requirement of the SAAFL to implement some sort of player movement management system. Whether it be points per year, number of divisions players are able to leap, whatever, something needs to be done to ensure the integrity of the lower competitions.

We are playing Division 7 football and I don't think it is unreasonable to rock up on a Saturday and expect to be playing other Div 7 (or thereabouts) footballers.

Every team would have players in their side that could play much higher, including Mitchell Park, but I would also suggest most of those players are dyed in the wool club people, rather than ring ins or mercenaries.

Every club would also like to move up the ranks and improve themselves via recruitment. I am not arguing against that. I am arguing against clubs rotting at the foundations of others and in turn creating an unbalanced football year.

Not sure if this is just a recent trend but we are seeing more of this money and immediate results driven culture creep down the divisions of amateur football. Every year it seems to get worse and worse with players jumping ship and moving all over the place either following mates or following money. In my opinion it erodes into the values that I thought amateur football was all about.

Good luck to Glenunga. They are a good club and we have had some fierce battles (and some shellackings) against them. I just hope the people being recruited have the interests of the Glenunga Football club at heart.

Whilst I agree with your sentiments, I dont think anyone has the right to tell you where you can and cant play. To be told sorry you cant play here because you are too talented would be a farce. It would also be way too difficult to rank a player. Just take a look at the AFL and the difficulties they had ranking players that went to the Suns.
At the end of the day it is only amateur football, some clubs have trouble making up numbers, imagine if they had to turn away players because they were ranked too good for a particular grade.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Poses the question as well, if they go to glenunga, run amok, win a flag, dont break a sweat, what's to say they don't turn around this time next season and go to another club chasing $$ and flags and easy kicks?

Wingfield, Ovingham, North Pines all clubs in recent times i think have experienced this. It leaves the club in tatters and the blokes who come and go wouldnt give a hoot.

['00'02'03'07]

Went and watched Ingle Farm train on Wednesday as I was driving home from the gym.
They had around the 25 mark. A good mix of younger and older and some good hands over on the western side of the oval from a few of the players.
The old fox Phantom must have decided that taking two handed marks was to pedestrian so took a couple of nice one handed marks on the lead.
Im sure they would have been happy with the first out turnout concidering there was a few cricket teams training at the same time which I assume would have a few players training over there.

I also hear that the ball is rolling along quite nicely as Wingfield look at re-entering this division with possibly a few players that could give opposition sides a little bit of a head ache. If they get some of the players that im hearing they should be competitive.

I think that once again Mawsons and Sacred Heart should be strong and if Modbury decide to stay in div 7 im sure they will be stronger for the experience of last year.

Still as has been stated many times through the pages by others, I believe Glenunga will be the team to watch and if they have recruited well then good on them for doing the work. Rather see a team actively recruiting rather then sitting on their hands and doing nothing. Will be interesting to see how they go with the points system. Will be watching with interest.

Any possible Div. 7 teams for next year have preseason training starting soon. I know that some of the teams wont say who they have picked up at this stage but how has everyones recruiting gone so far.

[morell]

GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN MY FRIEND
I BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN SAYING AND WRITING THIS SAME THING FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS ONLY TO GET TOLD THAT I HAVE NO IDEA.HOPE PEOPLE START TO TAKE NOTICE.SORRY ABOUT THE CAPITOLS BUT THREW MY KEYBOARD YESTERDAY AND A FEW THINGS NOW NOT RIGHT WITH COMPUTER

Hey mate! I hear congrats are in order? Hope we don't have to play against you...

Whilst I agree with your points, is this tongue in cheek?

The league has just put in a points system to control player movement, there's a thread on this very site with 7 pages about it. Don't think it will stop Glenunga however as SAAFL players are only worth 1 point

I knew there was talk of implementing a system, but didn't think it was approved...

Still, even if there is such a system, the fact Glenunga can do what they have seemingly done proves that it doesn't work and needs reviewing.

Why do people keep saying SAAFL players are worth 1 point? that is not what the delegates voted for and the CFB will not allow it to happen.

It basically allows a club to recruit the 15 best players in the SAAFL and defeats the point of the points system

So every SAAFL player is worth One point? That makes no sense and to be honest undermines the whole point of having that sort of system in place.

I am no football administration guru but surely players should be ranked according to what level they are playing at?

Whilst I agree with your sentiments, I dont think anyone has the right to tell you where you can and cant play. To be told sorry you cant play here because you are too talented would be a farce. It would also be way too difficult to rank a player. Just take a look at the AFL and the difficulties they had ranking players that went to the Suns.
At the end of the day it is only amateur football, some clubs have trouble making up numbers, imagine if they had to turn away players because they were ranked too good for a particular grade.

Why cant you say where a player can or cannot play? It happens all the time in other sports at all levels. The whole clearance system is based around the concept of allowing or disallowing players to move to certain clubs.

All that would need to be done is allocate a rating to each player according to where they last played a season. Div 1 A Grade players could be worth 20pts, Div 2 15 Pts, Div 3 12 Pts etc. Then allocate a points salary cap. Div 1 could be 200 Pts for their A grade so they can recruit for example 10 other Div A grade players 12 B grade or whatever. Div 7 would obviously have the smallest amount, say, 30 pts, so they could potentially grab a maximum of 1 Div 1 A grade player. Or 4 Div 3 or 6 Div 6. Whatever the case may be.

Just a pie in the sky example and I have spent all of 30 seconds conjuring it up, surely the masters of football administration at the SAAFL could come up with something that is fair for all, allows players to move to clubs where appropriate but also keeps the competition integrity intact and keeps the mercenaries out of the lower but no less hard working clubs.

You mention clubs turning away players. That is a fairly far fetched hypothetical, and in that case I am sure a plea could be arranged as to circumvent any system so that a club could field a team. The idea is to avoid creating teams completely out of balance to their divisional opposition, I am sure if a club is struggling for numbers that wouldn't be the case....

Poses the question as well, if they go to glenunga, run amok, win a flag, dont break a sweat, what's to say they don't turn around this time next season and go to another club chasing $$ and flags and easy kicks?

Wingfield, Ovingham, North Pines all clubs in recent times i think have experienced this. It leaves the club in tatters and the blokes who come and go wouldnt give a hoot.

Exactly.

[TIRED TIGER]

[quote="morell"][quote="dee man"]GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN MY FRIEND
I BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN SAYING AND WRITING THIS SAME THING FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS ONLY TO GET TOLD THAT I HAVE NO IDEA.HOPE PEOPLE START TO TAKE NOTICE.SORRY ABOUT THE CAPITOLS BUT THREW MY KEYBOARD YESTERDAY AND A FEW THINGS NOW NOT RIGHT WITH COMPUTER[/quote]Hey mate! I hear congrats are in order? Hope we don't have to play against you...

so does that mean that dee man has a coaching gig morrell??????

[morell]

GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN MY FRIEND
I BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN SAYING AND WRITING THIS SAME THING FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS ONLY TO GET TOLD THAT I HAVE NO IDEA.HOPE PEOPLE START TO TAKE NOTICE.SORRY ABOUT THE CAPITOLS BUT THREW MY KEYBOARD YESTERDAY AND A FEW THINGS NOW NOT RIGHT WITH COMPUTER

Hey mate! I hear congrats are in order? Hope we don't have to play against you...

so does that mean that dee man has a coaching gig morrell??????

Yep. Not sure where though..

C'mon Darren, give up the goss...

[dee man]

GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN MY FRIEND
I BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN SAYING AND WRITING THIS SAME THING FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS ONLY TO GET TOLD THAT I HAVE NO IDEA.HOPE PEOPLE START TO TAKE NOTICE.SORRY ABOUT THE CAPITOLS BUT THREW MY KEYBOARD YESTERDAY AND A FEW THINGS NOW NOT RIGHT WITH COMPUTER

Hey mate! I hear congrats are in order? Hope we don't have to play against you...

so does that mean that dee man has a coaching gig morrell??????

Yep. Not sure where though..

C'mon Darren, give up the goss...

its true mate i am back in the saddle at ovingham
in this day and age of grass roots footy,it was a privledge for me to give something back to the game that has helped me so much in life.a few people have questioned my sanity in taking on this job but to me it was an easy descion.i was going to stay out of the game for another year but after speaking to a few clubs and also looking at what is happening at local clubs in the league,i must admit i have been disgusted at the way footy clubs are run and what they are prepaired to sell for short term success.on top of that you have players who think they are worth and expect to be paid big money to play our game.for the record you guys are a joke and a disgrace to this great game.on top of that you have coaches who are called legends and great but then again when you can get a club to buy you what you want and get who you want without you really working hard at your craft,well you are the same as the people i spoke about before.ovies is a great local club,ran by passionate and loyal people who have nothing but the best intentions for their club and we will all work hard to make it work.

any players that are looking to play footy with the view that it is the game we all love and great people that we meet and want to get into an envoirnment that is going to help you also in life,and for players that are being taken for granted at their clubs come down to the cattery on churchill road come january.iu wont take you for granted a either will this great club.
a letter of warning to all in our division,we were once an easy beat,that has changed,our focus has changed and our passion is back and as they say,payback can be a bitch

['00'02'03'07]

Does anyone know if the rumours that im hearing are true that there will be a div 8 next year? I also hear that Gepps Cross will have C and D grade sides for next year also.

[Perfect Drug]

Still, even if there is such a system, the fact Glenunga can do what they have seemingly done proves that it doesn't work and needs reviewing.

This sort of drivel is starting to annoy the crap out of me to be honest. What have Glenunga "seemingly" done?? Recruited 5 players from div 4....WOW! They did exactly the same thing last year. Including one of the BEST players from div 4. All this whinging was not around then, perhaps cos Glenunga were horrible the previous year and obviously needed an injection of players? Now from the current season Glenunga were around the mark and this injection of 5 more players will make them quite strong (in theory). So now people are upset because they might be hard to beat??

All that would need to be done is allocate a rating to each player according to where they last played a season. Div 1 A Grade players could be worth 20pts, Div 2 15 Pts, Div 3 12 Pts etc. Then allocate a points salary cap. Div 1 could be 200 Pts for their A grade so they can recruit for example 10 other Div A grade players 12 B grade or whatever. Div 7 would obviously have the smallest amount, say, 30 pts, so they could potentially grab a maximum of 1 Div 1 A grade player. Or 4 Div 3 or 6 Div 6. Whatever the case may be.

In general this is not a bad concept. Probably far too difficult to implement of course . But if it were the case.... then by your numbers wouldn't 5 people from Div 4 to Div 7 be approximately right?? That is what Glenunga have done, which seems SO outrageous to most of the posters here, including yourself!!! Way to much hysteria from too many folks here, I don't understand it.

[furiousflemo]

Still, even if there is such a system, the fact Glenunga can do what they have seemingly done proves that it doesn't work and needs reviewing.

This sort of drivel is starting to annoy the crap out of me to be honest. What have Glenunga "seemingly" done?? Recruited 5 players from div 4....WOW! They did exactly the same thing last year. Including one of the BEST players from div 4. All this whinging was not around then, perhaps cos Glenunga were horrible the previous year and obviously needed an injection of players? Now from the current season Glenunga were around the mark and this injection of 5 more players will make them quite strong (in theory). So now people are upset because they might be hard to beat??

All that would need to be done is allocate a rating to each player according to where they last played a season. Div 1 A Grade players could be worth 20pts, Div 2 15 Pts, Div 3 12 Pts etc. Then allocate a points salary cap. Div 1 could be 200 Pts for their A grade so they can recruit for example 10 other Div A grade players 12 B grade or whatever. Div 7 would obviously have the smallest amount, say, 30 pts, so they could potentially grab a maximum of 1 Div 1 A grade player. Or 4 Div 3 or 6 Div 6. Whatever the case may be.

In general this is not a bad concept. Probably far too difficult to implement of course . But if it were the case.... then by your numbers wouldn't 5 people from Div 4 to Div 7 be approximately right?? That is what Glenunga have done, which seems SO outrageous to most of the posters here, including yourself!!! Way to much hysteria from too many folks here, I don't understand it.

Well said PD...I dont see what all the fuss is about really...I dont believe that Glenunga has to justify why players from a higher div want to play there. Hope you guys have a good 2011

[Jugs]

Still, even if there is such a system, the fact Glenunga can do what they have seemingly done proves that it doesn't work and needs reviewing.

This sort of drivel is starting to annoy the crap out of me to be honest. What have Glenunga "seemingly" done?? Recruited 5 players from div 4....WOW! They did exactly the same thing last year. Including one of the BEST players from div 4. All this whinging was not around then, perhaps cos Glenunga were horrible the previous year and obviously needed an injection of players? Now from the current season Glenunga were around the mark and this injection of 5 more players will make them quite strong (in theory). So now people are upset because they might be hard to beat??

[quote="morell"]

People are laughing and surprised at Glenunga cause Bourke has had to up the ante with $$$$ to win a Comp against 'C' grade sides! And don't think Fitzroy will be rolling out the red carpet for Chad if he ever wants to return.

[morell]

This sort of drivel is starting to annoy the crap out of me to be honest. What have Glenunga "seemingly" done?? Recruited 5 players from div 4....WOW! They did exactly the same thing last year. Including one of the BEST players from div 4. All this whinging was not around then, perhaps cos Glenunga were horrible the previous year and obviously needed an injection of players? Now from the current season Glenunga were around the mark and this injection of 5 more players will make them quite strong (in theory). So now people are upset because they might be hard to beat??

The key word of my post was "seemingly". I (we) have no idea what Glenunga have managed to do and we wont know until the clearances are published.

However, if they have poached 10+ Div 4 A Grade players in 2 years to play in Div 7, then I think there is clearly a problem.

I guess my main points were:

1. Stacking lower divisions with players from higher divisions needs to be more closely monitored to ensure the integrity of the competition.
2. Mercenary type culture is now prevalent in amateur football, to everyone's detriment.
3. We are all part of the bigger football society, increasing Glenunga's playing stocks via poaching ultimately diminishes another football clubs stocks. In this case Fitzroy. Punk Rooster was very polite in his response earlier but they would have to be seething internally. I know Happy Valley aren't exactly seen in the most positive light at Mitchell Park

This swapping of players each season is getting ridiculous and IMO is eroding at the virtues I thought football was all about. Namely: Loyalty.

In general this is not a bad concept. Probably far too difficult to implement of course . But if it were the case.... then by your numbers wouldn't 5 people from Div 4 to Div 7 be approximately right?? That is what Glenunga have done, which seems SO outrageous to most of the posters here, including yourself!!! Way to much hysteria from too many folks here, I don't understand it.

It probably would be tough to sort out. I am sure the SAAFL aren't there to look pretty though . If we can come up with something in the time it took to type it out, the surely they can come up with something much, much better.

Don't take those numbers literally, it was just an example of a possible system. As I said 10+ players from Div 4 to Div 7 in two years is way too much IMO. It pretty much means you have a Div 4 or 5 side playing in Div 7!

[Pag]

In general this is not a bad concept. Probably far too difficult to implement of course . But if it were the case.... then by your numbers wouldn't 5 people from Div 4 to Div 7 be approximately right?? That is what Glenunga have done, which seems SO outrageous to most of the posters here, including yourself!!! Way to much hysteria from too many folks here, I don't understand it.

It probably would be tough to sort out. I am sure the SAAFL aren't there to look pretty though . If we can come up with something in the time it took to type it out, the surely they can come up with something much, much better.

Don't take those numbers literally, it was just an example of a possible system. As I said 10+ players from Div 4 to Div 7 in two years is way too much IMO. It pretty much means you have a Div 4 or 5 side playing in Div 7!

This is what the points system is going to stop. Glenunga can't recruit a whole Div 4 side over two years, or they'll be over the 15 they're entitled. I'm sure Bourkey has done the maths and their side will be just as legal as anyone else in Div 7.

[watchdog]

DeeMan you seem to have done a triple backflip since your comments on page 1 of the div 6 forum when you stated and I quote "I for one will never get involved with the SAAFL again"

[nuggety goodness]

DeeMan you seem to have done a triple backflip since your comments on page 1 of the div 6 forum when you stated and I quote "I for one will never get involved with the SAAFL again"

and you've never changed your mind have ya!?!

[zedman]

In general this is not a bad concept. Probably far too difficult to implement of course . But if it were the case.... then by your numbers wouldn't 5 people from Div 4 to Div 7 be approximately right?? That is what Glenunga have done, which seems SO outrageous to most of the posters here, including yourself!!! Way to much hysteria from too many folks here, I don't understand it.

It probably would be tough to sort out. I am sure the SAAFL aren't there to look pretty though . If we can come up with something in the time it took to type it out, the surely they can come up with something much, much better.

Don't take those numbers literally, it was just an example of a possible system. As I said 10+ players from Div 4 to Div 7 in two years is way too much IMO. It pretty much means you have a Div 4 or 5 side playing in Div 7!

This is what the points system is going to stop. Glenunga can't recruit a whole Div 4 side over two years, or they'll be over the 15 they're entitled. I'm sure Bourkey has done the maths and their side will be just as legal as anyone else in Div 7.

only if div 4 is a 3 pointer which has not been confirmed i believe(in fact nothing is until the 29th)..if its a 1 pointer they will absorb them easily..plus the guys from last year all drop a point off ..yes?

good luck to them..they have endured pain for 3-4 years dropping grades..how the hell else are they meant to lift themselves out of the mire?..and MP raped HV and Kangaroo island for years..glasshouses morell..you post good material but on this one i think your off the mark slightly

[dee man]

DeeMan you seem to have done a triple backflip since your comments on page 1 of the div 6 forum when you stated and I quote "I for one will never get involved with the SAAFL again"

you are quite correct my friend
but for me to sit back in this case and see what is happening with our game by the selfeshness,ego driven and money hungry individuals that are involved in the game now,and not do anything would be more hypocritical.
i wrote an article thread having ago at the people who run footy and clubs that was taken down but some of the comments that came back before the removal was ,and i quote,if your not happy about the ways the footy is run,dont sit their and do nothing but put your hand up and do something instead of mouthing off.
well i have put my hand up and ovies have accepted
now if any good comes of it we will wait and see but i can say that it wont succeed because of lack of hard work and effort
hope that answers your question